His point is just to find a way to scare his voters by calling her a communist. It’s the most pathetic attack ever.
Trump said of Harris: “She cosponsored legislation to abolish very popular private health insurance, which 150 [million] Americans rely on, dumping everyone onto inferior socialist government run health care systems with rationing and deadly wait times, while massively raising your taxes. She wants to take away your private health care.”
“It’s the best health care in the world,” he continued, adding: “You’re all going to be thrown into a communist system … You’re going to be thrown into a system where everybody gets health care.”
This bullshit about rationing and deadly wait times can only work on the most ignorant people who don’t realize healthcare is better and more affordable in many other countries.
There may be a bit of “she won’t hurt the right people” in there too.
And yet people will fall for it. I swear they are beyond help. I listened to some of the boring travesty that is his latest press conference and - besides his notably low energy - it seems the lies are just getting bigger and more absurd. It boggles the mind that a huge chunk of the American people will listen to that drivel and nod and mutter “yeah sounds right”.
All this just reinforces how much of a cult MAGA is. He could say some outrageous shit like he was going to sacrifice his followers first born when he gets in office and I swear 95% of them would be like “oh cool”.
The whole thing is wild. I grew up in a Christian family… which republicans claim to be. If I did a tenth of what this dickhead does I’d get disowned so fast. His whole base thinks his shit don’t stink.
They absolutely will. By the truckloads, no less. You just can’t change stupid people. It’s a plague.
It’s more than just being about “stupid” people though. After all, who benefits from deliberately under-funding and attacking the integrity of educational institutions?
His point is just to find a way to scare his voters by calling her a communist. It’s the most pathetic attack ever.
Ironically Taiwan has universal health care and Communist China has employer based health care.
He’s not wrong about the wait times. It’s very true here in Canada.
You know what has a longer wait time?
Not having medical coverage.
We already have wait times in the US too. That’s a funding and organizational problem, not a universal care problem.
Veteran here. The best healthcare I’ve gotten is consistently the appointments I have at the VA. Y’know… socialized healthcare. The VA has a reputation for being hot garbage - to my understanding they earned the hell out of that reputation, but made pretty massive improvements relatively recently. I only separated a few years ago, so I never say the earlier version.
…the infrastructure is kinda shit, and riding on those elevators is probably more dangerous than anything I ever did on active duty, but the actual health care? Zero complaints.
They do have wait times, but those are comparable to everywhere else.
We always talk about socialized healthcare like it’s some unicorn that only exists in other countries, but we’re already doing it… just, for some reason we’re only doing it for dipshits like me who wandered into the correct star-spangled employer to trade our lumbar vertebrae for a GI Bill.
Between that and the US Public Health Service (who might actually be unicorns… heard of them, but never actually seen one) we’ve got the framework for it. I wish we’d just add subdivisions to the USPHS. We already have the VA (which is curiously not affiliated with them… that surprises me), medicare, tricare, Indian Health Service… Start adding bite-sized categories according to need, and offer VA style coverage. Crime Victims Health Service… Students Health Service… Rent-Food-And-Utilities-Eats-60%±Of-Your-Income Health Service. Just keep expanding the mission and staffing accordingly. Switch VA hospitals to just ‘Federal Hospitals’ that offer VA services… and medicare… and students… etc. Eventually we’ll still be bashing heads about Universal Healthcare when… hey wait a minute! We fuckin have it already! Then just dissolve the stupid labels so you just check in as -a- patient instead of a VA patient. Or not. …probably not, tbh, the govt fucking loves stupid labels.
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…I don’t actually know why I typed all that out. That was way outside the scope of the comment I’m replying to. Um… I hope you enjoyed my almost-certianly-unrealistic-for-a-thousand-reasons-pipe-dream.
There’s only one reason why this is a pipe dream: there’s no political will to do it.
This isn’t because healthcare is publicly funded.
Imagine how long people have to wait if they are poor in the U.S.
This is the thing that boggles my mind about the “wait times” argument. Like, it’s better that people should die without healthcare than… for me to be inconvenienced with a potentially longer wait time for non-emergency care? Really? The selfishness of it is astonishing.
I once had to wait 15 months to see a neurologist. 15 months. We already have long wait times here in the US, but we like to spice it up with a little bankruptcy.
It’s true that there can be long waits. But public healthcare in Canada and in the UK is getting worse for the same reason: Conservatives refusing to fund it because they want to drive everyone into private, for-profit healthcare. It’s the same reason Conservatives try to break public education and other public services: they serve only the rich who will profit from privatization while everyone else suffers.
Conservatives govern almost all Canadian provinces, which is the level at which healthcare is run. The Conservatives who are about to take over federally have explicitly stated their goal of making Canadian healthcare more like the USA’s. They undermine it for ideological reasons and for their own gain.
A properly funded public healthcare system remains the best system for ordinary people.
I absolutely agree.
I despise conservatives for trying to move us to the US model, especially as they’re trying to reward themselves, their buddies and anyone who has funded them. Bribery at its finest.
Yeah, I wait for weeks for a normal check-in with my doctor as it is now. I can’t ever go to them when I’m actually sick, cause by the time I get an appointment, it’s like 1-2 weeks out. I’m no longer sick. I have to end up in minor emergency clinics all the time for just basic shit.
I love my doctor and use her any and every time I can, but it’s only for pre-planned checkups. God forbid I have to wait the same amount of time as now, and it BE FREE.
Thankfully my clinic has weekend walking for registered patients. That made a huge difference. I assume they did that because patients were going to other walk in clinics instead as they couldn’t get appointments. I think my clinic also has an “urgent care” option, for people not sick enough to need to go to emergency. You can call first thing in the morning for an appointment that evening.
Having said all that, they’re starting to charge for more and more things, and trying to get people to sign up for their “insurance” plan. Thanks Ford.
Depends, I have a Canadian friend who got same day brain surgery, because it actually was an emergency. Most medical problems can stand a wait.
That being said, yeah waiting sucks. And yeah, the US has months long waiting periods too.
It’s also true of healthcare in the US. When my primary care provider left the practice and I had to reschedule with someone else, they weren’t able to get me in with someone new for another 8 months. And no one there is taking new patients. It’s also a months-long wait if you need to see any sort of specialist.
Not to mention I pay a lot of money for a health insurance plan that won’t even cover one of the meds I was recently prescribed because they disagreed with my provider’s prior authorization. Surprise, I have to see a specialist. So, we’ll see how it works out in 5 more months when my appointment is. At least I have an HMO plan, so I don’t need a separate appointment for a referral first before insurance covers it.
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His point (besides “everything is communist”) is that one of two groups (or both) will get healthcare:
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“Freeloaders” (black/brown/the wrong white/etc. who they assume are all poor and lazy).
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Immigrants.
They don’t want them having healthcare.
Conservatives can read between the lines here aka it’s a dog whistle.
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Does he realize how much he is helping her? This just shows how far out of touch he is. Is it stupidity or dementia? Both?
I’m STILL waiting for a taco truck on every corner goddamnit
There should also be gambling odds for “legitimately doesn’t want to be president, would rather throw delusional tantrum about a stolen election”
Problem with that is, he HAS to win. If he doesn’t, he’s fucked. He’ll be going to jail and that half a billion in Russia backed loans isn’t going to pay itself.
Oh no! Don’t do that! We would hate it!
/s in case it wasn’t obvious
Don’t threaten me with a good time.
Seriously though, no such bill would ever make it to her desk. So I don’t know what they’re crying about.
A president can do ANYTHING in an official capacity now dontcha’ know
like have Trump put down? Didn’t the USSC rule that is A-OK?
She could have him drone-struck in Mar-a-lago and no one could do a damn thing about it
Yup. I’m curious what “official capacity” means here. Does that mean anything goes if he says the magic words “official capacity”? Or is it more complicated than that
It’s slightly more complicated than that. You have to ask “are they a Republican or a Democrat?”. If the answer is Republican, it’s probably an official act. If the answer is Democrat, it is not an official act. If the answer is “It’s Donald Trump”, then they follow up with the question “how high?”.
Wow, the law is so complicated, I tell you what. Thank goodness we have highly qualified, politically neutral judges to interpret it for us.
It’s carte blanche.
A president could start a national drug cartel and it would be legal
If Repubs didn’t lie about their opponents, how would they campaign?
Never let the truth get in the way of a good ol’ fashioned fear-mongering!
Easily the single best description of American politics.
How messed up is the US that universal health care is fear-mongering?
But I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. I used to have an American boss who felt like she needed to convince me to leave the hell-hole country I was living in. I live in Europe in one of the World’s safest, most democratic, wealthiest countries. And this was during the W. Bush era. I bet she became a full MAGA trumpist.
It’s so incredibly messed up.
I think that the primary reason that anyone not standing to directly profit from the current system opposes universal healthcare is selfishness; they’ve worked hard to earn their (probably shitty) health insurance, and giving free health access to those they deem ‘undeserving’ devalues their own efforts.
Never mind the positive economic impacts; they wont move the needle. It’s like that one MAGA supporter said when interviewed; “they’re not hurting the_ right_ people”
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Healthcare is Threat.
Healthcare is Threat.
I mean supposedly MAID gets suggested or even approved way too often in Canada according to some media, so yeah? Kinda? Maybe?
Tobe fair, MAID does reduce future medical costs per patient more than most other treatments, so there is that.
I pay my portion of my health coverage at a little under 20% of my paycheck for a family plan. That is technically half since my employer pays a portion as well. If taxes would be raised to that point or even less than what I am paying now I would not care in the slightest. Hell I would welcome it. If it is more I would be a little more upset but if I do t have to pay co pays or the other crap a medical bill generates like the portion my health coverage doesn’t pay than in my eyes it again balances out.
Insurance companies are a leech on the economy with predatory practices to reject claims. Single payer healthcare would fix so much wrong with us healthcare its actually ridiculous we haven’t done it yet. ACA slowed the bleeding but didn’t address the problem thoroughly enough. I really don’t care if my taxes go up by twice what I put into healthcare (there is no way they could, but still) I’d still endorse it knowing Americans could get regular and reliable healthcare again.
Everybody but his sorry ass. Warnings are for bad things. He is a bad thing so be warned
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If I already have health care can I get two health cares? Jkjk what I’d really like it’s affordable healthcare. I’m spending a good chunk of money on something I’ve very rarely used so far.
What a nightmare lol
It’d be nice, but it won’t happen.
Oh the humanity
OOOOHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
If she did that I’d volunteer for her USSS detail. Can we be the Democrats the Republicans say we are?
I’d volunteer for her USSS detail
I wouldn’t - I want her to live.
It’s a pretty simple job though right? Just identify a shooter that’s like a 100 meters away and patiently wait for them to finish shooting before you jump on the President.
But seriously, the president that actually delivers on the next new deal might get term limits removed. It was popular the first time for a reason.
You forgot about grabbing the President’s special lift shoes after he gets shot at.
Harris doesn’t support single payer?
She does, she has discussed a number of methods of doing so, from expanding medicaid to all Americans, to doing a few other methods of basically using the government as payee, and negotiator, for insurance coverage that will be applied to every tax payer.
Will she really do anything? Yet to be seen.
Remember too that the President doesn’t write the laws, and pretty much every solution for a single payer healthcare solution involves legislation.
Blaming or crediting a President for something that only Congress can do is a long American tradition, and an exceptionally stupid one we need to get over.
Oh, by doing something, I don’t mean I think she would just make this law. I mean seeing her doing all she can, within her power, to accomplish this goal. Many have promised such reforms, then did little, to nothing, with the position, to accomplish that task.
Don’t threaten me with a good time.
