The same Russia that “indicated” the Ukraine special operation would take three days?
Lol
Maybe they could get an compromised/friendly/useful idiot/individual installed in the hightest levels of government who, either intentionally or unintentionally, would funnel secrets to them which help facilitate mass disruption?
ohh wait…
How would they interfere with our elections without the Internet?
Mail?
Windows?
Nah. They had a falling out.
Well played. 5 points for tacosplease.
That’s hilarious bro this putin guy needs his own stand up special he’s probably got a million of these
Russia said they’d take over Ukraine in three days.
Russia says a lot of shit.
Bark bark bark
Yes, this is really like a tiny dog barking its head off, because it’s convinced it can’t be harmed.
Russia and Putin have been embarrassing themselves for a while now.
that’s basically russia asking to get wiped out
It’s like a mini MAAD…
To Putin, any significant threat to his power in Russia is destruction. Ukraine is making inroads as I type this, if they get too far into Russia, it could dominoe into Putin losing power.
If it ever actually looks close to that, he ain’t going to be attacking Internet cables, he’ll be launching nukes.
But once a nuke launches, it’s over for all of us. So he needs an intermediate step that he could do and would fuck a bunch of shit up by doing, but it’s not a nuclear bomb.
Putin won’t do that. It’s been made very clear to him he has 2 choices in that scenario, leave power peacefully for the old dictators home, or attempt to launch his nukes and immediately get yeeted by the USAF. Possibly the USN if he’s vacationing near a coastal area. It’s been made known to him that he does not have the operational security to keep the CIA from tracking him at all times and that his location would be target number 1 in such a situation.
once a nuke launches, it’s over for all of us
No, it really isn’t. Nuclear winter and the idea of thousands of Tsar Bombas belongs to the 70s. Even in an all out nuclear war today using the full (working? - doubtful regarding Russia) arsenals it would be a catastrophe with hundreds of thousands of dead but mostly we’d be continuing on as before afterwards.
I grew up during “duck and cover” and iodine in the cupboard. That’s not where we are anylonger.
You have no idea how interconnected the world is, do you? How reliant the US is on its ports. Not just any place on a coastline is big enough to pull a cargo ship up to, as well as having the infrastructure to unload it and coordinate all that. All they have to do is hose every port capable of handling cargo ships and we are entirely fucked. The cherry on top would be nuking the oil refineries, completely wiping out our ability to move goods even if the ports were open. We will not have enough food to feed the country within a few days. Mass starvation starts a week or so afterwards. Two to three weeks later and at least a quarter or more of Americans will be dead from starvation. Then comes the massive waves of diseases due to all the unburied dead. Inside of two months at least half of America will be dead or dying. More likely to be closer to three-quarters.
All out nuclear is not something we survive.
Then comes the massive waves of diseases due to all the unburied dead.
I think the literal flood of shits due to failed sewer system will hit us first in big cities.
Also rockets are a pain to maintain, theres a reason the US military is trying to move away from the minutemen over towards gravity controlled nukes. Does anyone think Russia can properly maintain theirs.
Uhhh I’m not trusting nobody named vault dweller about this particular topic
Its the fact that my name is vault dweller and not thw fact that my picture is of the Mer remover Pelinal Whitestake.
Anyways my name is a reference to Fallout one which is a lot more depressing about the whole apocalypse thing, tonally its probably closer to a boy and his dog. I dont fear the bomb but I aint welcoming it either.
Totally. I was just being silly.
Fair 'nough I just woke up from a shitty nap so my humor is kinda non existent.
What?
You really need to look up the yields of modern ones compared to what’s been used…
Have you? Or have you fallen for russian influence operations?
The ~1500 or so nuclear weapons Russia and the USA have in active service each are mostly much smaller tactical nukes compared to the insane my-dick-is-bigger-than-yours stuff that happened in the 60s.
So you’re saying if the Russians struck Manhattan it would be relatively little impact. You think of the ten thousand nukes the US and Russia have on average will kill less than a hundred people. Or if just Russia, less than two hundred people per.
I think each nuke is tens of thousands of immediate deaths followed by hundreds of thousands of mid to long term radiation fatalities. If we pretend that 25% of their 5000 or so nukes works, that’s still 1250 nukes. If each nuke of that 1250 works and kills 100,000 each, that’s 125 million people. I don’t think this is so far fetched given that a little over 80% of Americans live in urban areas.
I just don’t know how a society can recover if the majority of it’s urban centers gets nuked and there is residual radiation there for the foreseeable future. Japan recovered because the nukes were small and there was only two sites, and that still caused about 110,000 casualties.
How many submarines do you think they have in the Atlantic and Pacific with nuclear strike capabilities? How many nukes do you think are in range of major north american cities?
Most nukes are targeted at the other side’s nukes. Those aren’t in population centers.
Uh, my state would like a word about that…
https://www.kuow.org/stories/the-secret-history-of-nukes-in-washington-state
Puget Sound is home to around one-third of the nation’s active nukes.
For those unaware, Puget Sound contains the largest cities in Washington as well as many dense suburbs.
Also, for revenge as part of mutually assured destruction, targetting empty silos doesn’t sound very useful.
but mostly we’d be continuing on as before afterwards.
Congratulations, this is officially the most stupid thing I have read on the internet, ever.
If life taught me anything it is that all you need to do is hide under your desk, duck, and cover. You can survive anything from a tornado to nuclear holocaust with that one.
No one takes them seriously, they just bark. Here’s a hilarious wiki article on all the red lines Russia set in the past.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_lines_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War
Date notified: February 24, 2022
Red line: “Interference” in Ukraine by outside powers
Date broken: February 24, 2022
This one send me flying.
The Russians talk shit everyday. It ends up that it’s either something that they can’t technically do, as it is here, or something that would would result in having their ass handed to them.
This is both of them.
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I really don’t think they have the capability, actually. They might be able to degrade the network, but I don’t think they would be able to actually physically destroy enough elements of the constellation to make it generally useless.
Not to mention, I’d be a bit shocked if the DoD doesn’t have some backups sitting quietly (as in: not broadcasting at the moment) in geosync. After all, it’s the first rule of government spending.
I find the threat of GPS loss to be hard to believe. Theyd have to take out 38 GPS satelites and presumably any of the other navagation satellites American allies have in orbit, and presumably theyd have to not damage their own navigation satelites in the process. I also doubt they could do that all at the same time, or quick enough that no one could respond. Im sure they have the capability, and im sure they have an idea of what the operation would have to look like but in terms of a plan that’s actionable, I have big doubts.
or they could jam the signal.
Which they do. Not on a global scale, though.
It is quite annoying to be Russia’s neighbours. But you can work around it. In fact, it’s not bad to train yourself to operate without GNSS. And it would be even better if the jammers decided to spontaneously combust.
Where though? They just gonna fly enough jammers up into orbit to cover the entire path and all the satelites and pretend thats not going to also jam every navagation satelite including their own and China, their biggest allys? I don’t see it.
They just have to give them the raspberry.
I don’t get why this is so hard.
Blowing up the GPS satellites is certainly an option and there’s not much we could do to stop them. We know that China has succesfuly tested an anti-satellite missile in 2007. I would not be surprised if Russia was working on the technology at the same time. If they can’t or don’t want to blow up the satellites, then they could perhaps launch their own jamming satellites to orbit near the existing GPS satellites would work.
Edit: It just occurred to me that you don’t need to jam them. Just put up your own satellites that mimic the GPS satellites to throw off the calculations of anyone trying to use them. Your devices wouldn’t know which signals were legit.
They can’t even reach the satellites
Just put up your own satellites that mimic the GPS satellites to throw off the calculations of anyone trying to use them. Your devices wouldn’t know which signals were legit.
Do this, then get absolutely raw dog fucked by the US (and any other competent) military, who has absolutely no issue with ground nav or weapons guidance because they all use encrypted GPS signals.
There’s also back ups. so destroying the GPS isn’t a good solve either.
You don’t need satellites in space to shift GPS, they’ve been messing with it in war zones for years, and AWACS like planes could do it in real time anywhere they won’t get shot down.
The Soviet Union proved that it was able to shoot down satellites in the 60s. The technical difficulty of hitting a satellite with a missile is not really an obstacle here
It may not be a problem technology wise, but do they really have the equipment today to blow up dozens of satellites?
I seriously doubt it, Russia isn’t the Soviet Union, they seem less capable, and corruption would probably have undermined the program even if it still existed.
And even if they can, can they also do it without harming their own and China’s geopositioning systems?And even if they can, can they also do it without harming their own and China’s geopositioning systems?
Nope, they can’t. And not only that, destroying that many satellites is almost assuredly going to trigger Kessler Syndrome and lock out space for the most part for a good long while.
Yeah, the Soviet union could also mass produce tanks and planes. Russia today…
Glances at Ukraine
Is using almost exclusively Soviet stock.
China doing it in 2007 was big news because they joined the club. The West and Russia has had the capability for decades.
Jam some strategic locations, like air travel hubs or highly populated areas for the highest impact. No need to jam wide open low population areas without military targets.
Triggering NATO collective defense so they can deploy a jammer on US soil doesn’t seem to be what they’re threatening, and they’re already been using jammers in Ukraine. So either theyre threatening to do something they can’t do or theyre threatening to do something they’re already doing, and already being countered, in a new place.
Real curious how Russia plans to get jamming equipment the size of a truck into those areas
I also just don’t see anyone in Russia deciding that were going to trigger article 5 by using a jammer on US soil. The risk reward is non existent unless they can make the whole country GPS and internet dark at the same time. Imagine that many resources going on the ground in a country as large as America. It’s basically asking Ukraine to regain any territory they had a counter invasion plan ready for.
That’s easy you just drive the truck into the area. It’s when you turn it on that’s the issue. You’re going to meet a lot of people very fast.
Like speedating with small arms fire!
Lmao, not really. But it’s fun to think about like that.
The jamming equipment could be the size of a briefcase; the received signal is below the noise floor.
Or it could be one satellite already in the air beaming to a specific area. Or a constellation of satellites already in the air who handoff coverage of a specific area. Or a hack of an existing satellite constellation command and control channel to reprogram the transmitters to cover up GPS L band.
You are not jamming GPS with a briefcase.
I’m familiar with radio systems. You could absolutely put a 1 kW L-band jammer in a briefcase, with an effective radius of probably a couple of miles.
I was just pointing out that it isn’t necessary to jam 100% of GPS to have a massive impact. The odds that Russia could pull anything off is pretty small, and jamming GPS for more than a few hours is evenless likely.
I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss that threat.
They know exactly where in the sky they are. They know what frequencies their antennas are tuned to. I’m betting burning out those transceivers would not be an impossible feat.
I also don’t know how well they put up against really large lasers
They’ve also been fully capable of putting s*** into space for years. I would not put it past them to have some form of combination weather/spy satellite and weapons platform out there.
They must be aware of the concept of re-ta-lia-tion. You shoot down my satellites, I shoot down yours. Nobody wins and we are all back 40 years.
The internet was literally created by the DoD to have a communication system that was resilient to foreign attacks. If one part of it goes down, it can still work with the parts that aren’t down. This is built into the design.
Nope. Usually this claim includes some reference to nuclear war, but the Internet was not designed to withstand attack. Arpanet was not designed with military applications primarily in mind.
Til, thank you
In the Julia Roberts move “Leave the World Behind”, they mention a process of destroying a country. (I vaguely recall that the process was attributed to a real person.) One of the steps was to take down the internet. With lack of information chaos develops, and the country destroys itself.
Nice plot, but with the presence of radio and television I see a hole in that plan
i feel like taking down the internet is harder than it sounds. you could easily disrupt satellite, but the world will route around this… its actually designed for it.
they would have to poison dns or major routing points somehow.
Cut communication trunks to knock out the internet in wide areas should still be an option since storms cause those outages for non-wireless internet now. DDOS and other atracks can still overwhelm wireless communications.
But honestly it is unlikely that being technically possible would be as successful in practice as a widespread attack as most places have a lot of redundancy built in because these kinds of threats have been around for decades.
Or it begets a second renaissance where everyone get their noses away from screens (me included) and start fixing shit.
and start fixing shit.
First things first let’s get this Internet fixed.
I can’t fix anything without a youtube tutorial
Not really. We had a country before the internet, we’d just fall back on that. It would be painful but very doable.
Russia has become the embarrassing relative you hate seeing at holiday gatherings.
