• came_apart_at_Kmart [he/him, comrade/them]
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    1710 months ago

    Trump only lost to Biden because voters were afraid Trump was too entrepreneurial.

    McCain lost to Obama because voters were afraid McCain was too tumor-having.

    having a coherent politics is just that easy.

  • InevitableSwing [none/use name]OP
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    2610 months ago

    I have a leftie telling me that because Cheney endorsed KH , we should take that as evidence that she is a bad candidate and NOT AN ANTIFASCIST.

    I kept pointing out that Patton and Stalin invaded Germany and HATED each other. “Ally of convenience” is not a friend. As long as no concessions are made, the best thing you can do is let two enemies destroy each other.

    After the main danger is vanquished, we excise our “once and future” enemies the neocons.

  • PKMKII [none/use name]
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    2110 months ago

    That would be the one upshot of Kamala winning, trolling libs with “huh turns out voters will vote for a woman guess that wasn’t the problem in prior elections.”

    • InevitableSwing [none/use name]OP
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      2610 months ago

      Lib denial is deeper than the Mariana Trench. If Kamala wins - within days there were be op-eds opining the 2016 tragedy. It’s a shame voters weren’t really for a female candidate then. Hillary could have and should have won. And it would have been an era of kittens, puppies, rainbows, unicorns, joy, and neoliberal wonderment.

      • Belly_Beanis [he/him]
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        1610 months ago

        They will flip it around as the US becoming less misogynistic since 2016. I can see it now. Nothing has actually changed (except, you know, losing abortion), but libs will act like they were the vanguard for women’s issues this whole time.

        • DragonBallZinn [he/him, they/them]
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          510 months ago

          Ugh, I can see it now.

          the-democrat: “We did it! After enough concessions we finally convinced the dumb backward masses into voting for a woman president! It feels great to have educated them! Tailism? What’s that?”

  • Rojo27 [he/him]
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    4210 months ago

    Why are we still doing “too black” as an excuse after having a black president for 8 years?

    • @[email protected]
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      3610 months ago

      My theory: I think framing like this is an attempt to create infighting on the left. I remember her doing poorly because she’s center right and wasn’t the most well known center right dem in the 2020 race. Notably Biden had similar positions and was much more widely known.

    • gueybana [any]
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      810 months ago

      Because Obama was a one time novelty, let’s not act as if racism over

      • bbnh69420 [she/her, they/them]
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        1810 months ago

        Nobody is doing that friend. It’s just pointing out how democrats are reheating 2020 idpol arguments rather than dealing with the actual reason she got 1 percent in those primaries

      • Rojo27 [he/him]
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        No, racism isn’t over, I get that. But I also don’t think Obama is a onetime novelty. I think he offered enough, well at least the illusion of enough, material benefit to sway voters. The biggest problem Kamala had in 2020, and even now, was that she really didn’t have anything to offer voters to set her apart from the field.

        • nothx [he/him]
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          410 months ago

          Her lack of charisma is very apparent. Libs just won’t admit she is unlikable because they are scared the truth will hurt her chances.

  • @[email protected]
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    510 months ago

    Nah it’s cause she’s center right like Biden. Still gonna vote for her over the Cheeto fascists but this is not the reason.

  • edge [he/him]
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    4710 months ago

    voters, extremely shy from Hillary’s loss, were afraid that [Kamala] was too Black

    Yes because if Hillary’s loss indicated anything it’s that a black person can’t win. This is definitely a coherent analysis.

    • WhatDoYouMeanPodcast [comrade/them]
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      2010 months ago

      I feel that only the democratic party gives half a fuck about “middle [America]” and the people who are waffling between the two candidates. I’m sure you could get a fuck ton of votes doing something, anything popular instead of talking about bullshit Marvel slop quotes to try and convince someone whose high fructose corn syrup coated neurons couldn’t conjure a coherent ideology any faster than infinite monkies could.

      It’s a dogshit analysis.

      • anarchoilluminati [comrade/them]
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        610 months ago

        someone whose high fructose corn syrup coated neurons couldn’t conjure a coherent ideology any faster than infinite monkies could.

        data-laughing Wow, that’s brutal.

      • buckykat [none/use name]
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        710 months ago

        Democratic party analysts, either because they’re incompetent or because they’re always looking for ways to triangulate to the right (or possibly both) imagine that anyone who is not a loyal member and consistent voter of either party exists precisely in the center of the Overton window.

    • casskaydee [she/her]
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      2510 months ago

      They were so triggered by her loss in the 2016 general they forgot all about her loss in the 2008 primary

  • UmbraVivi [he/him, she/her]
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    710 months ago

    Is this even wrong? I think if Kamala had been a white guy, she would’ve done a lot better and the Democrats might very well have rallied behind her instead of Biden. Yeah, she sucks ass, but she’s not particularly worse than any of the other Dems. The only reason she’s the candidate now is because she happened to be VP while Biden basically died during a live debate.

  • thethirdgracchi [he/him, they/them]
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    2010 months ago

    If in the sequel their interests turn out to be uninteresting and their power turns out to be impotence, either this is the fault of dangerous sophists, who split the indivisible people into different hostile camps, or the army was too brutalized and deluded to understand that the pure goals of democracy were best for it too, or a mistake in one detail of implementation has wrecked the whole plan, or indeed an unforeseen accident has frustrated the game this time. In each case the democrat emerges as spotless from the most shameful defeat as he was innocent when he went into it, fresh in his conviction that he must inevitably be victorious, taking the view that conditions must ripen to meet his requirements, rather than that he and his party must abandon their old standpoint.

    From Marx’s 18 Brumaire: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1852/18th-brumaire/ch03.htm

  • Frogmanfromlake [none/use name]
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    1010 months ago

    The reality is that nobody knew who the hell she was. Only knew a few older people who liked her during the primaries and that’s because they have all the time in the world to watch CNN 24/7 and get familiar with the candidates.

  • SpiderFarmer [he/him]
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    810 months ago

    Ah yes, there’s no reason people would avoid voting for a cop president after a widely publicized lynching.