Don’t most YouTubers make more money with their own sponsorships than from YT ads? Can we start the mass migration to PeerTube already?
This has been the case since some time before the Adpocalypse iirc.
I don’t think Peertube would handle mass migration of Youtube creators, unless each and every one of them set up their own instance.
I’d honestly be curious to see how that plays out. Every creator hosts their own content while strengthening and spreading the Peertube network.
I feel like that would quickly solidify it as a viable alternative.
Except content creators want to create content, not maintain an instance.
In time the technical knowledge requirements may be reduced. I could see a small company selling pre-setup media servers with a couple TB of storage. Just plug it in, load up your videos and your basically done.
And if you don’t have comments/users, there is little that needs to be maintained.
It’s not perfect, but there will eventually be a point where YouTube becomes so enshitified that people begin to switch to alternatives.
Nah, your ISP doesn’t give you enough bandwidth to host your own mini YouTube. You vastly underestimate the bandwidth required to run the service. It’s massive, which is why PeerTube is having a hard time gaining traction.
Not all creators need the same bandwidth.
Exactly. More work for likely less pay.
This, my friends, is a classic lemmy argument: “how about someone whom I already don’t pay anything go and do more work for less pay, so I can enjoy my content free, without ads, and don’t need to bother with an AdBlock”.
How about, you, anon, set up a server, provide a simple upload API, and convince your favorite content creator to upload there? Since it’s no costs for them and very little work, they might. Maintain that for a year, then we’ll talk.
Then realize that YouTube was losing billions every year for over a decade, and that their current model is the only way it can be profitable for them 😅
The unfortunate business model of the current tech world.
And the only way to teach them to drop this BS is to migrate to a better thing as soon as the enshitification starts.
I would’ve told you we shouldn’t have fallen into this trap to begin with, but that implies cooperation of the entire internet. And that ain’t happening.
On the other hand, we can accept that this is how things are. We get years of free trial and pay for it in the next years. 13$/month is not an insane amount of money for the value provided. And it’s shared with creators in a transparent manner, so it’s not like they’re hording all of it either.
If I had a million dollars I’d start a company that sets up and manages federated software like Mastodon and Peertube.
YT will likely attempt to play creators and viewers off one another. Similar to how hospitality does so with patrons and staff re: tips. You could see a FUD campaign aimed at anyone republishing their work on competitor sites.
odysee can also be a option from peertube as well but odysees privacy policy they sell non pii data according to them if they dont sell user data we will be good
It’s their private website, they do on it whatever they want. Right, lemmy?
You can run your own federated streaming service that will have no ads and will be free of charge, yeah?
Nobody here wants peertube really.
They want free bandwidth (streaming 4k60), free computation (encoding, optimization), free research (codec development) and free storage (for endless amount of videos). Google sucking is a valid reason to piggyback on Google infrastructure but they seem to feel entitled to Google just letting it happen.
I never understood, and never will understand this.
Even when I was a poor teenager and pirated essentially everything I always knew that this content only exists because someone is paying for it.
How do people go around feeling like the best VoD platform to ever exist, available on every device imaginable, optimized for years by best software engineers the world has, should be free, and without ads is beyond me.
i pay for this shiti service while being data mined anyway…
you are acting as if paying is a solution against these parasites… it aint.
You’re getting angry at a company and capitalism in general. Big techs should be broken up and regulated up to their tits. In the current legal framework they don’t owe you anything and are well within their rights to put up a fight though. They won’t do anything out of good of their hearts because companies don’t have one.
They can try to enshittify all they want, but as long as they keep offering that shit for free it’s their own fault really. There will always be a way to remove all the crap once the video images enter my computer.
If it isn’t sustainable for them then they should have required sign in and payment long ago instead of operating at a loss just to get all the content in their place. The only ones letting it happen are themselves, we just here for the ride.
They won’t stop piracy ever but they can also make it as inconvenient as possible. You treat it like a game of cat and mouse while 90% of society uses adblock because someone told them how to do that.
No, commercial services with a dominant position in the market cannot do whatever they want.
Bootlickers wouldn’t understand
This market domination is non-discriminatory. It’s not like you go to your local car dealerships and they don’t sell you any other brand than GM. Everyone on the internet is free to go and use any other service. It’s dominant because users are happy with their ads or subscription fees instead of investing their time into using a competing product.
Everyone on the internet is free to go and use any other service.
Yes but that’s not the claim you made. You wrote “It’s their private website, they do on it whatever they want. Right, lemmy?” and this blanket statement is wrong. They can’t to “whatever they want” because they are bound by laws. If Google/Alphabet instituted rules on YouTube that competing video services like Nebula cannot named at all, market watchdogs would be at their heels immediately and they’d win in court if it came to it.
Can they put ads on pause screens? Yes. Can they do “whatever they want”? No.
People do nothing but incessantly complain about thing- yet still use thing. News flash folks; You’re never going to win this. YouTube will always be ahead of you on this.
And also… I’ll never understand this. I use YouTube and don’t give a shit about ads. The moment they start bothering me- I’ll stop using YouTube. It’s that easy. Don’t like it, walk away.
If you hate something so much, yet can’t stop using it- you have an addiction. Ads are not the problem here.
I stay a few steps ahead of them. I haven’t seen a YouTube ad in months.
Firefox with ublock origin on desktop / laptop
Grayjay mobile app
Smarttube on Android TV (also Flauncher customer launcher so I don’t have to see any ads on my TV home screen)
Silliest comment of the week
People do nothing but incessantly complain about thing- yet still use thing.
Go ahead and show the alternative, the alternative that has the content we need.
Before you respond that youtube is an entertainment service, I want to remind you that it isn’t, but that it’s only a part of it. You won’t handwave it away as if we were discussing netflix being enshittified.
I’m not using youtube for listening to music videos and such things, never were. When I end up there it’s because of a search result showing a relevrelevant video there, like disassembly of this or that, and such.
News flash folks; You’re never going to win this. YouTube will always be ahead of you on this.
That’s objectively false. uBlock Origin devs and filterlist makers are doing a very good job.
Don’t like it, walk away.
That’s very similar to saying “don’t like your government? don’t like it, walk away, found your own”.
Yeah, that’s not his it works.I bet you would be the first to call those who abandoned youtube as cavemen for not being able to access some video you shared
I don’t care if there’s an alternative. You’re not obligated to watch YouTube. It’s not a job.
You can walk away.
Google constantly puts Youtube ads at the top of searches for information! Countless people put their information on Youtube in the form of videos! Tutorials get put on Youtube as a matter of course! There’s a trove of old media on Youtube that can’t be accessed any other way! Congratulations, you’ve won the award for the most thoughtlessly dismissive person on the internet today.
Be sure to keep whining about their practices while supporting them to continue with it.
It’s funny from where I sit.
how do we support it? how, when we don’t upload any content, we only give them server load instead of money, and don’t even increase the view count? how? if anything this is a loss for them, but not a gain that’s for sure
So you don’t know how watching YouTube videos equate to profit for YouTube?
Best you learn how that works before we continue this discussion further.
you definitely did not read my comment. but you know what! teach me Master!
I feel like there is an argument to be made about ads being put into damn near everything. They’ve become way too prominent in every aspect of daily life. There are so many things you cannot do without having an ad rammed down your throat. Youtube isn’t the best example of this, but if you start giving up things that have ads, you will eventually have nothing. The root problem is corporate greed. Line must go up at an ever increasing angle, and shareholders must make maximum profit. How do they accomplish that? Ads. Regulatory bodies must step in before everything we see in a digital spaces (and a lot of real spaces too) becomes covered in advertisements.
Won’t be long before we go to the beach to watch the sunset, and there’s a floating billboard for mountain Dew covering it up. It’s out of control.
So again, no one is going to win this. The only recourse is to stop using YouTube.
That’s it.
That’s how you win. You don’t play. But constantly whining about their practices while continuing to support their platform with visits is not doing the damage you think it’s doing.
They will always be steps ahead of you.
to stop using youtube, to stop using your TV sized display that you have bought for a lot of money, stop using your car because it shows ads on the dashboard, public transport for the same reason, and the public roads too because every 10 meters there will be a billboard with even integrated tracking too.
yeah, defeatism was never a solution
If you don’t like YouTube, don’t watch YouTube. Your examples are fucking ridiculous because I’m not the one crying about any of those rings.
You didn’t really reply to my comment. You kinda just said the same thing again, but anyway.
I guess we’ll just agree to disagree. You can use YouTube without viewing ads. There are ways around it.
My point was, for the average consumer, there are way too many ads being put into everything, and unless you’re savvy enough to navigate around this, the only way this will change is with regulatory intervention, which can actually happen.
Hmmm, so what you are saying is that I am just one ad blocker failing away from being productive in life?
They’ve started serving ads when you skip backwards. Drives me fucking nuts.
I was willing to use the mobile app with ads because the interface is slightly less buggy.
Ad blocking on mobile web it is for me now 👍
Revanced ftw
newpipe
Tubular :)
Had to jump into the ‘name your alternative’ thread hehe.
Tubular because it includes SponsorBlock.
Tubular feels better, in my opinion.
PornHub has been doing this. A little popup comes on screen when you pause the video for the first time.
The sad thing is that most people won’t even give a damn.
lol, ads
Lol, YouTube
It’s like all the sci-fi stories of ads everywhere
So dystopian. The number of novels I’ve read where Advertisements existing on a screen has become the main source of revenue, what a bizarre science fiction fantasy land that would be…
We are just missing the perpetual ad drones in the sky.
Having a hard enough time just trying to fucking skip back 20 seconds without accidentally tapping on the creators’ page.
Just use the arrow keys
accidentally tapping
Sounds like mobile to me
This already happened. People looking up CPR instructions because a loved one is dying, only to be met with three unskippable ads.
Goodbye Meemaw.
Yeah, that may be so, but priorities man. Priorities! Think of our profits man! In this harsh economy, ever ad counts! We’re only controlling 90% of the internet while we strive for 100%. That’s 10% short. 10%! We only had a revenue of 305 billion in 2023 which is not nearly enough to cut down on ads. Billionaire lives matter man! Come on, everybody, say it all together: Make millionaires billionaires again! Billionaires first! Meemaws don’t consume enough anyway. Screw her. By the way, want some penis enlargement pills?
Not defending YouTube here, but CPR is so time sensitive that if they were looking up instructions, she was a goner anyway.
Have you had CPR training? What you stated isn’t true. Every second counts. But looking up instructions and seeing a easy video will still help massively.
Exactly. It takes over a minute for permanent brain damage from a lack of oxygen, and it can take several, several minutes before actual death.
CPR started anytime within that range will help keep the person alive, as you are literally forcing their body to intake oxygen and pump the blood.
If you find someone without a heart beat and they aren’t already cold then call 911 and start cpr
Yes in fact I teach it and do it regularly. Out of hospital cardiac arrest survival rates are atrocious even when the person performing CPR is properly trained, let alone a panicked person trying to look up instructions on YouTube.
And I’m 100% not saying that a person shouldn’t attempt to do CPR in this scenario, just saying that any realistic scenario where the compressor is trying to look up instructions in real time is bound to fail. That’s why I volunteer my time teaching community members how to do it properly, even if it’s hands-only CPR (eg no rescue breaths)
Hey look, a blatant lie disguised as a fact!
I wonder how this furthers your agenda…
Proof? Aren’t there classes of videos non monetized on youtube? When I just google search for cpr and find the american red cross I quickly found written instructions as well as a youtube video that doesn’t appear to have any ads. Isn’t the problem that some video creators intentionally create videos for CPR in hopes of monetizing?
https://support.google.com/youtube/thread/83733719?hl=en
This means as a creator that’s not in YPP [Youtube Partner Program], you may see ads on some of your videos. Since you’re not currently in YPP, you won’t receive a share of the revenue from these ads, though you’ll still have the opportunity to apply for YPP as you normally would once you meet the eligibility requirements.
Thanks for the checking. I think the whole argument is pretty wild and specious, and factually suspect, that someone died because a person couldn’t look up the cpr video on time. YouTube is not a platform that is meant to deliver on demand life saving training. In NYC all the restaurants and workplaces have signs up in designated areas with instructions on how to do cpr. I suspect someone is going to more quickly look up written instructions or infographics if they need to Google. But really, this just speaks to the importance in staying up to date on CPR practices and having school and HR classes that teach this on a recurring basis. Using this as an argument against all ads is kind of nuts.
Also, the first step of most CPR instructions is call 911. So if you follow instructions, how are you watching a video on the phone? And can’t the operator coach you through the steps? https://www.redcross.org/take-a-class/cpr/performing-cpr/cpr-steps
Yeah and when someone needs to watch a video on CPR in an emergency get ready for a shitstorm if you are forced to watch their long ass ads
YouTube is unwatchable. No way I can make it through those ads.
Firefox + ublock origin = no ads
anyone who doesn’t already know this doesn’t want to be helped
(+) SponsorBlock = chef’s kiss
I hate it when I go to full screen and one of my (100s of) tabs has a youtube short that thinks “Oh, time to start playing again!”
Now I’ll have paused tabs start making noise and I won’t be able to find it until the ad is over.
That’s your fault for having 100s of tabs open.
Seriously. What’s wrong with you?
I use uBlock Origin and haven’t seen a YouTube ad in 6 years, I cannot imagine trying to watch videos that try to show advertisements in the middle of them, lol. It’s why I download all the TV and Movies I watch too. Advertisements are for people who, don’t know how to silence them, the lazy, and those got guilted into allowing themselves to be brainwashed.
