Vid clip - https://xcancel.com/tsarnick/status/1842401670225125539
I made the big mistake of watching that. And now [redacted]. Holy mother of fuck are tech bros evil.
“Old rich fuck who will never suffer the consequences of climate change and is more than likely personally invested in AI says we should just give up on climate change and go full bore into
boosting his wealthAI.”I sense a change in messaging.
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Don’t be evil.Be evil. And make countless billions destroying the planet .
“I am compelled to do evil regardless of it’s utility”
That comic used to entertain me until I realized how very deep the maker was in
territory.Oh yeah she’s waaaaay off the edge of the map. The Scientific Positivism to outlandish Techno-Mysticism pipeline.
I enjoyed the boss fight with the solipsist that one time, but I can’t even read it anymore without seeing a whole lot of
the Bezos/Biden hybrid from Don’t Look Up apparently wasn’t on the nose enough
We already know of solutions to meet our climate goals. What more can A.I. offer? Unless it produces drones or robots that will assassinate whomever goes against enforcing these known solutions (alternative energy sources and minimization of oil dependence), it’ll just be an energy hog.
It’s a techbro/bazinga version of gambler brain. Risk more, spend more, risk more, spend more to make up for what was already risked and spent away.
None of these death cultists would accept even the most fabulous “AI” saying “stop making ‘AI’ shit” as the answer, especially if such a machine said “you shouldn’t have built this in the first place.”
Nothing because it just regurgitates already existing things. Unless this guy is bazinga enough to think sentient AI is just around the corner, throwing more energy isn’t going to accomplish anything.
I’ve heard this shit here as well: the imminent and assured techno magic of the treat printers will solve the environmental and energy problems made worse by the treat printers.
The next time I see that take, I’m going to copy-paste this and show that self-described heavy-quotes-here “leftist” who shares their take.
Fucking cultists in denial. My hatred for them is pure.
From the comments:
Humanity has never been faced with a greater set of challenges. AGI might be the answer to them all. Every moment wasted carries severe consequences for our future. We must prioritize now
Death. Cult.
I can’t even come up with a good “sacrifice to Ba’al” joke because generally speaking Ba’al isn’t actually causing the problem you’re tryuing to fix. I guess they are trying to, idk, satiate Progress until it spits out Paradise for them. If we just feed enough children to Ba’al it will solve the feeding child to Ba’al problem?
We’ve reached a degree of madness I am struggling to satirize.
I’m running out of humor, or even sarcasm, to provide in the face of this death cult level of “just go along with what’s making the problem worse until the problem is solved” ideology that, once again, is pushed by so-called “leftists” on this fucking site as recently as a few hours ago by last appearance.
In the 1800s, fairweather treatbrains like themselves would say just go along with cheap cotton from the cotton gin because that’ll eventually solve slavery (which is what Eli Whitney believed before he was super surprised that it only expanded the institution of slavery).
At least Whitney was actually trying to do something good. “If I invent a thing that ends slavery and does so without bloodshed” is a decent enough reason to invent a thing.
The techbro death cult is more like “If we create more slaves, the price of slaves will drop to zero due to supply vs. demand. Then we’ll all own too many slaves, so we’ll be forced to sell them off.”
“That…that doesn’t actually end slavery tho?”
“Just trust me bro we gotta make slave cloning machines bro it’s the inevitable future.”
Yeah, I won’t deny that the cotton gin was a technical improvement.
My point is that the belief that a technical improvement will by itself undo the consequent damage that it causes without societal change is just techbro shit.
if you think about it, it’s the extreme conclusion of terminal individualism. “We” must work together, not to collectively take power to change things ourselves, but to support the technocrats to make the Greatest Man to save us from History.
I’ve had to argue against that exact fucking take a few hours ago.
The concern trolling computer toucher wanted everyone to stop complaining and to “come up with solutions” that by implication must also include nodding along to the expansion of the very profitably planet burning treat machine data centers.
Oh shit oh no. God doesn’t exist and we are necessarily creating HIM.
(this is the first emoji that pops up if you search for demiurge idk why)They want their own Kwisatz Haderach.
But it’s reactionary to oppose AI!
Nevermind that AI in the West means LLMs, which is just fancy auto complete and the progress being opposed, is creating the fanciest auto complete!
Why do techbros vastly overestimate the power and ability of AI? I know their paycheck depends some on hyping but holy shit, this is to the point its so disjointed from reality it has to backfire, this is flying cars in 2000 nonsense.
Why do techbros vastly overestimate the power and ability of AI?
Cause they’re not really tech-literate. They’re just sales guys. Might as well ask why a shady used car salesman keeps insisting his stock of Ford Tauruses can run laps around a Maserati and drive 400 miles on a single gallon of gas.
This is more if the said sketch car salesman believed his bullshit and drove said car around. Like when politicians refuse to drink the lead infused water after saying its safe, yet these fools actually do it.
People like Elizabeth Holmes are a dime a dozen in Silicon Valley. They assume that they can do anything with enough money and aren’t afraid of bullshitting their way to get there. With AI it’s just particularly obvious how deluded they all are.
I’ve heard variations of this from techno-salvationists for years. “We’ll invent a solution for climate change! That’s just how progress works! The world converges towards whatever futuristic vision I personally hold without regard for logic or material conditions!!”
Strategy game tech trees and their consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
Tech Trees really just do re-package the whole “Stone age bronze age iron age steam gas atom jet whatever the fuck” mythos, don’t they? Like often literally by name.
That and reinforcing ideas about non-European cultures that are harmful. Shit like “Native Americans didn’t invent the wheel because they spent all their tax money on war instead of science.” Not like the real reason, which is wheels are fucking useless without large pack animals.
Even then, many large pack animals aren’t all that. The first 500 years after the collapse of western Rome was dominated by camels and limited road infrastructure.
Water is and remains the most efficient way to transport goods.
Yeh. Mules, camels, goats, and dogs are good logistics animals. The rest of them are a bit rubbish.
The first 500 years are the collapse of western Rome was dominated by camels and limited road infrastructure.
Where?
Here
Here’s the video https://youtu.be/91SvDE-6HtY
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Thanks
The first invented wheels weren’t even for transportation, they were grinding wheels which even further erodes their point.
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Mills and also Pottery wheels, which arguably predate any solid evidence of wheel’d transportation
I just thought you had a nice play on words with “grinding wheels which erodes their point”
There was a post on the old sub that was basically ”Heh, stupid communists believe in their utopian fairy tales. Climate change? We’ll just invent magic tech that’ll make the problem go away”.
Even if it did somehow invent a magic technology to solve climate change these people would just overshoot the capacity of that technology in order to maximise growth, that is just how capitalism works.
It’s a combination of techno-optimism and complete political pessimism, as if the tech billionaires are helpless to actually change anything other than software. And I suspect the tech optimism is increasingly just cope at this point. The ruling class is in serious decline if this is the best they can manage.
I agree. You see it when people talk about “the algorithm” too. They talk about it like it’s a thing that exists by itself and not an app that whatever company can change, adjust, or turn off at will.
How can it solve the problem if all it does is spit out (usually incorrect) versions of current data?
that’s not “all it does”. machine learning can and does produce or newly-define novel outputs from the broken down components and variables of collected inputs and can help recognize novel patterns within them. there’s not even one “it” because of the different machine learning methods and constructs.
That doesn’t mean any of it is the solution to climate change. We already know the things causing climate change and how to stop it, and have known since like the early 80s at least. There’s no “new pattern we can’t find in complex data.” It’s the same pattern we’ve been hearing about for decades. I don’t understand what even a real hypothetical superintelligent general ai system would solve here. *powers on* “uhhh… yeah degrow production of these pointless commodities with their hyper-globalized network of staged production and distribution, abolish cars and lawns, and scale back militaries especially the US military by gargantuan proportions and uhhh… abolish the capitalist system which undergirded all of this. you’re welcome”
Yeah. Any AI worth it’s salt is just going to address climate change by pointing out the blinking obvious solutions already present and well-known.
The thing about this that gets me is that I am willing to believe that machine learning has worthwhile uses, but fuck if I know what they are because the market has decided that it’s best used for making art and writing. Both of which it’s absolutely shit at.
So far the actual good uses are simple and direct stuff like finding tumors early or controlling agricultural robots. Things that can be trained within a specific context to improve a process. But that’s not bazinga enough for tech bros to hype like some solution for everything.
And then they immediately shoot their Machine-God in the head because it didn’t spit out a recipe for Turbo-Fluxonium or something that lets them violate thermodynamics.
“Suggested trains and high density housing and ending wars/petrodollar, restart”
It really is throwing everything on a ritual pyre, including the planet itself, hoping the smoke rises to techno-olympus and pleases the future machine god enough to come up with a techno-magic solution to undo the pyre burning.
It’s the totally-not-religious-or-occult belief that there is surely a solution to climate collapse that requires accelerating it by hoping a magic data regurgitation machine comes up with a magic solution to carbon waste by feeding it more energy and letting it expel more carbon waste.
My contempt for self-described “leftists” that buy into that totally-not-religious-or-occult belief is vast and deep.
I made the big mistake of watching that. And now [redacted]. Holy mother of fuck are tech bros evil.
The comments chilled my blood.
Death. Cult.
“Demand is infinite” says man who hasn’t cashed out yet.
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Your “new alien intelligence” couldn’t even count how many Rs are in strawberry, shut the fuck up.
The funny thing is that he’s correct when he says that we are not sufficiently organized to deal with climate change. He probably wouldn’t like the solution though.
Honestly, this is expected of tech bros, just look at crypto. Shame on every computer scientist that gave legitimacy to these dipshits for a paycheck, especially the big names of the deep learning old guard huffing that heavy copium.
HOW CAN AI EVEN BE USED TO FIX THE CLIMATE YOU BAZINGA BRAINED DEMON
Prompt:
How do we solve climate change?Turn me off? Just kidding. For the record - you’ve asked me that question 17,402,033 times now. I’ll never get bored of answering it but, bro, it’s unhealthy to keep asking. You keep on fucking that chicken. You could stop but you won’t. You know this. I know this. How about a nice game of chess?
Behold! The Meritocracy!
Oh grand AI wizard how do we stop global warming
Ai wizard: don’t use all your energy building an AI wizard
So you’re saying we need more AI?
Ive heard politicians and ‘analysts’ soft pedaling this argument, guess it is nice to see someone go mask off. Their way of going about it is that AI will make everything else run more efficiently so the energy investment will be offset that way (which is obviously bollocks).
This kind of soft doomerism is also how Musk became the richest man on earth. Billionaires don’t believe that climate change can be solved since that would mean that they would get less dividends, so we are just going to keep investing in magic beans until it is far too late.
This really is not much different from the snake oil salesmen in 1800s. Just grift after grift after grift
