Vid clip - https://xcancel.com/tsarnick/status/1842401670225125539
I made the big mistake of watching that. And now [redacted]. Holy mother of fuck are tech bros evil.
Our currency is going to go through hyperinflation because we blew the world up and no one wants to do buisness wirh us so we might as well make a sentient AI
and give it access to investing in more ways to blow the world up harder and then force our way into the resources our arrogance and hubris locked us out of. Good luck kids. At least we made ourselves unfathomablely rich beyond our ability to spend it before we pissed off this mortal coil.We might as well continue feeding our planets resources to the entity
How can it solve the problem if all it does is spit out (usually incorrect) versions of current data?
It’s the totally-not-religious-or-occult belief that there is surely a solution to climate collapse that requires accelerating it by hoping a magic data regurgitation machine comes up with a magic solution to carbon waste by feeding it more energy and letting it expel more carbon waste.
My contempt for self-described “leftists” that buy into that totally-not-religious-or-occult belief is vast and deep.
that’s not “all it does”. machine learning can and does produce or newly-define novel outputs from the broken down components and variables of collected inputs and can help recognize novel patterns within them. there’s not even one “it” because of the different machine learning methods and constructs.
That doesn’t mean any of it is the solution to climate change. We already know the things causing climate change and how to stop it, and have known since like the early 80s at least. There’s no “new pattern we can’t find in complex data.” It’s the same pattern we’ve been hearing about for decades. I don’t understand what even a real hypothetical superintelligent general ai system would solve here. *powers on* “uhhh… yeah degrow production of these pointless commodities with their hyper-globalized network of staged production and distribution, abolish cars and lawns, and scale back militaries especially the US military by gargantuan proportions and uhhh… abolish the capitalist system which undergirded all of this. you’re welcome”
And then they immediately shoot their Machine-God in the head because it didn’t spit out a recipe for Turbo-Fluxonium or something that lets them violate thermodynamics.
“Suggested trains and high density housing and ending wars/petrodollar, restart”
The thing about this that gets me is that I am willing to believe that machine learning has worthwhile uses, but fuck if I know what they are because the market has decided that it’s best used for making art and writing. Both of which it’s absolutely shit at.
So far the actual good uses are simple and direct stuff like finding tumors early or controlling agricultural robots. Things that can be trained within a specific context to improve a process. But that’s not bazinga enough for tech bros to hype like some solution for everything.
It really is throwing everything on a ritual pyre, including the planet itself, hoping the smoke rises to techno-olympus and pleases the future machine god enough to come up with a techno-magic solution to undo the pyre burning.
Yeah. Any AI worth it’s salt is just going to address climate change by pointing out the blinking obvious solutions already present and well-known.
I made the big mistake of watching that. And now [redacted]. Holy mother of fuck are tech bros evil.
The comments chilled my blood.
Death. Cult.
I’ve heard this shit here as well: the imminent and assured techno magic of the treat printers will solve the environmental and energy problems made worse by the treat printers.
The next time I see that take, I’m going to copy-paste this and show that self-described heavy-quotes-here “leftist” who shares their take.
Fucking cultists in denial. My hatred for them is pure.
From the comments:
Humanity has never been faced with a greater set of challenges. AGI might be the answer to them all. Every moment wasted carries severe consequences for our future. We must prioritize now
Death. Cult.
if you think about it, it’s the extreme conclusion of terminal individualism. “We” must work together, not to collectively take power to change things ourselves, but to support the technocrats to make the Greatest Man to save us from History.
They want their own Kwisatz Haderach.
I’ve had to argue against that exact fucking take a few hours ago.
The concern trolling computer toucher wanted everyone to stop complaining and to “come up with solutions” that by implication must also include nodding along to the expansion of the very profitably planet burning treat machine data centers.
Oh shit oh no. God doesn’t exist and we are necessarily creating HIM.
(this is the first emoji that pops up if you search for demiurge idk why)
I can’t even come up with a good “sacrifice to Ba’al” joke because generally speaking Ba’al isn’t actually causing the problem you’re tryuing to fix. I guess they are trying to, idk, satiate Progress until it spits out Paradise for them. If we just feed enough children to Ba’al it will solve the feeding child to Ba’al problem?
We’ve reached a degree of madness I am struggling to satirize.
I’m running out of humor, or even sarcasm, to provide in the face of this death cult level of “just go along with what’s making the problem worse until the problem is solved” ideology that, once again, is pushed by so-called “leftists” on this fucking site as recently as a few hours ago by last appearance.
In the 1800s, fairweather treatbrains like themselves would say just go along with cheap cotton from the cotton gin because that’ll eventually solve slavery (which is what Eli Whitney believed before he was super surprised that it only expanded the institution of slavery).
At least Whitney was actually trying to do something good. “If I invent a thing that ends slavery and does so without bloodshed” is a decent enough reason to invent a thing.
The techbro death cult is more like “If we create more slaves, the price of slaves will drop to zero due to supply vs. demand. Then we’ll all own too many slaves, so we’ll be forced to sell them off.”
“That…that doesn’t actually end slavery tho?”
“Just trust me bro we gotta make slave cloning machines bro it’s the inevitable future.”
Yeah, I won’t deny that the cotton gin was a technical improvement.
My point is that the belief that a technical improvement will by itself undo the consequent damage that it causes without societal change is just techbro shit.
But it’s reactionary to oppose AI!
Nevermind that AI in the West means LLMs, which is just fancy auto complete and the progress being opposed, is creating the fanciest auto complete!
This really is not much different from the snake oil salesmen in 1800s. Just grift after grift after grift
We asked the face eating leopard how to stop it from eating faces and it told us to feed it more faces, so it’s fixed!
I’ve heard variations of this from techno-salvationists for years. “We’ll invent a solution for climate change! That’s just how progress works! The world converges towards whatever futuristic vision I personally hold without regard for logic or material conditions!!”
There was a post on the old sub that was basically ”Heh, stupid communists believe in their utopian fairy tales. Climate change? We’ll just invent magic tech that’ll make the problem go away”.
It’s a combination of techno-optimism and complete political pessimism, as if the tech billionaires are helpless to actually change anything other than software. And I suspect the tech optimism is increasingly just cope at this point. The ruling class is in serious decline if this is the best they can manage.
I agree. You see it when people talk about “the algorithm” too. They talk about it like it’s a thing that exists by itself and not an app that whatever company can change, adjust, or turn off at will.
Strategy game tech trees and their consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
Tech Trees really just do re-package the whole “Stone age bronze age iron age steam gas atom jet whatever the fuck” mythos, don’t they? Like often literally by name.
That and reinforcing ideas about non-European cultures that are harmful. Shit like “Native Americans didn’t invent the wheel because they spent all their tax money on war instead of science.” Not like the real reason, which is wheels are fucking useless without large pack animals.
Even then, many large pack animals aren’t all that. The first 500 years after the collapse of western Rome was dominated by camels and limited road infrastructure.
Water is and remains the most efficient way to transport goods.
Yeh. Mules, camels, goats, and dogs are good logistics animals. The rest of them are a bit rubbish.
The first 500 years are the collapse of western Rome was dominated by camels and limited road infrastructure.
Where?
Here
Here’s the video https://youtu.be/91SvDE-6HtY
Thanks
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
The first invented wheels weren’t even for transportation, they were grinding wheels which even further erodes their point.
:kelly:
Mills and also Pottery wheels, which arguably predate any solid evidence of wheel’d transportation
I just thought you had a nice play on words with “grinding wheels which erodes their point”
Even if it did somehow invent a magic technology to solve climate change these people would just overshoot the capacity of that technology in order to maximise growth, that is just how capitalism works.
Even though we haven’t even tried, we’re never going to make it to the toilet on time. May as well just drop all pretense and shit our pants here at the dinner table as hard as we can and keep eating.
Behold! The Meritocracy!
Oh well! Might as well enjoy the treats while we still can, losers.
HOW CAN AI EVEN BE USED TO FIX THE CLIMATE YOU BAZINGA BRAINED DEMON
Prompt:
How do we solve climate change?Turn me off? Just kidding. For the record - you’ve asked me that question 17,402,033 times now. I’ll never get bored of answering it but, bro, it’s unhealthy to keep asking. You keep on fucking that chicken. You could stop but you won’t. You know this. I know this. How about a nice game of chess?
build nuclear. the only reason this takes so long is because of regulation. this is an issue that can be solved with the pen! then let the markets build nuclear to satiate ai power demands.
Yes deregulate the time bombs!Moments like this are when you realize we’re getting the worst case-scenario with climate change and even then people like this will blame some external factor rather than themselves.
I’m a child of the Cold War and fiction like Dr. Strangelove and WarGames made me realize how stupid adults could be. I realized the world could actually end in a nuclear hellfire. A 1970s sci-fi novel called Tech Bros would have been an awesome parody and satire. It would have put MAD to shame. Yet here I am many decades later I can’t believe I’m living through an era where tech bros are real and their ingenious plan to cook the earth to make money could come to pass. Or maybe the world will end before that in an old-school nuclear hellfire after all. Who knows?
Either outcome isn’t great. It’s doubly frustrating because where I live is extremely vulnerable and these people don’t care if most of my country becomes uninhabitable as long as their treat machine keeps printing.
we’re getting the worst case-scenario with climate change
We’ve already passed the point of Peak Oil. These fuels only get more expensive to extract with each passing decade. And the political pressures that extraction creates is collapsing the capacity for efficient extraction at least as quickly as the industrial extraction is pinching off the low hanging fruit.
I don’t think its a given that we simply plunge over the 4° C threshold, because I can see an abrupt collapse in access to fossil fuel tying out with a steady increase in the supply of less geographically constrained wind and solar power. Also next-gen nuclear is at least peaking over the horizon, for real this time, given the advent of nuclear freighters in China.
But it’s also possible we demolish the infrastructure we need to replace fossil fuels with renewables, effectively cannibalize the rungs of our technological ladder in order to do… whatever the fuck this is. And then we lodge ourselves in a modern Dark Age, exhausted of the cheap energy that propelled us to the 20th century heights and rapidly losing access to the biome that supports the enormous increase in humans that gave us the brain power to innovate our way out of the last dark age.
Then we’re proper fucked.
people like this will blame some external factor rather than themselves
History is written by the survivors. I do wonder what they’ll write when the events of the modern moment are far enough in the rear view mirror to discuss without wading through a morass of oil industry propaganda. But I seriously doubt the survivors will be the Americans who handcuffed themselves to a decaying industry. I doubt it will be the westerners who have increasingly eschewed the very idea of “liberal arts” as a past time. I doubt it will be a society that incinerates its libraries and post offices and feeds all of academia into a digital set of funhouse mirrors that turns every idea into an advertisement for consumerist crap.
The heart of the western cultural dominance rests in its university systems. And that’s been deteriorating for the last sixty years. The countries that eclipse the NATO block education framework will spell the end of its ability to author the history books.
rapidly losing access to the biome that supports the enormous increase in humans that gave us the brain power to innovate our way out of the last dark age.
the last dark age only happened in europe. most of the world was actually thriving at this time. sad it didn’t last a little longer actually. would have been really interesting to see a globalized world where europe is left out until late in the game. i would suggest that western culture causes dark ages, that’s what we’ve been living for the last 500 years or so. almost everything has been erased. for a lot of us, the collapse of empire is a light at the end of the tunnel. it’ll be horrible, for certain, and was completely avoidable, but you know white people. crawl out to the fallout baby, when they drop that bomb
the last dark age only happened in europe. most of the world was actually thriving at this time.
You can find “Dark Ages” that have consumed various chunks of the planet, based on when certain central institutions of information collapsed.
Mississippi culture in North America and the Mayan culture in Central America. The collapse of various East Asia dynasties. The sacking of Middle Eastern city states
But we’re in a global manufacturing and information economy. If China and the US obliterate critical infrastructure in a war, South Africa doesn’t get to pick up on aeronautics or semiconductors or cosmetology where these two juggernauts left off. The info is lost and must be rediscovered.
for a lot of us, the collapse of empire is a light at the end of the tunnel
Nobody benefited when the Library of Alexandria burned.
Nobody burned the library of Alexandria it probably died from neglect, but Europeans did burn ~every book ever produced in central america and extinguished hundreds of unique cultures and languages. Western culture is a dark age IMO. And I’m not saying dark ages don’t exist elsewhere. Europe may be fanatically xenophobic, but they aren’t entirely unique either. Just the most successful at spreading darkness.
We already know of solutions to meet our climate goals. What more can A.I. offer? Unless it produces drones or robots that will assassinate whomever goes against enforcing these known solutions (alternative energy sources and minimization of oil dependence), it’ll just be an energy hog.
Nothing because it just regurgitates already existing things. Unless this guy is bazinga enough to think sentient AI is just around the corner, throwing more energy isn’t going to accomplish anything.
It’s a techbro/bazinga version of gambler brain. Risk more, spend more, risk more, spend more to make up for what was already risked and spent away.
None of these death cultists would accept even the most fabulous “AI” saying “stop making ‘AI’ shit” as the answer, especially if such a machine said “you shouldn’t have built this in the first place.”
