Stop trying to make Middle English happen.
A thorn in your side?
A thorn in my ash.
Surely we’ll sing
of no little thing
In Oak and ash and thorn
You complete me.
Drag likes the middle English. Drag thinks you just hate fun.
Referring to yourself in the third person is cringe as fuck
Agreed, but I also kind of like it? It’s a fun cringe, if that’s a thing.
while i appreciate your random internet stranger opinion, I fail to see how dragonfucker hurts or inconveniences any of us 🤷♀️
like yeah i get you dont like it but isnt your comment just a teeny bit more cringe as fuck?
No.
If someone is so socially inept and surrounded by equally socially inept people who don’t call out this behavior, then it’s possible they don’t have anyone who is part of society at large that would inform them of how their actions will be perceived by most members of the public.
I’m not commenting because it hurts me in any way. I’m commenting because this person is going to have a relatively difficult life socially if they continue with the behavior they currently exhibit.
The gut-reaction to call someone cringe is a natural expression of the human desire to conform to social norms. They are insecure about their own differences so they enforce conformity in others by trying to humiliate them, the way they have been. In a strange way they could see it as helping them to avoid further humiliation. They’re saying “cut it out” with an implied “or else people will not accept you.” It’s pure instinct.
They’ve been inconveniencing me by following me around and harassing be because they didn’t understand my simple point that ‘they’ applies to all humans.
They harassed me over calling Caillou ‘he.’ As in the cartoon toddler. Seriously.
They also object to people using the word ‘you’ to address them, which is fucking stupid.
Drag isn’t referring to dragself in third person.
What do you call it then? Because that’s what’s happening here
Unless “drag” refers to someone/thing else entirely, which context heavily implies otherwise
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Bruh why removed by mod?
It’s a person independent neopronoun
Cute, but no it’s not
Its a nickname, your username shortened. That’s a proper noun whether you pretend to use it otherwise elsewhere or not, as context is important in communication
I do like the trolling effort though so keep on keeping on
I think the assumption that people who engage in unconventional means of expression are attention-seeking speaks to a common insecurity people have about receiving negative attention themselves. They’re reflecting the social pressure to conform that they already surrendered to.
You can strap a watermelon to your neck and call it whatever you want, but don’t expect others to mistake that for a personality.
NAY I SAY!
Based as hell.
Why? This is their post and they wanna use middle English. It’s not that big a problem for anyone else.
Are you just worried that it’ll become a more common trend? I don’t think that’ll happen. It’s just gonna be like scrolling by a ich iel post every now and again.
No. Language is dynamic by design. If þey/þem wish to be diacritical fluid, who are we to deny freedom of speech?
You’re right, it is. But language shifts in populations in ways that enhance communication. One person using letters that nobody else uses makes communication of ideas more difficult.
Not only that, but they’re only choosing to use some Middle English letters, and not any other rules of Middle English grammar or spelling.
They can use whatever language they want, but if it’s too much effort for people to understand, they’re more likely to be ignored.
You aren’t owed prescriptive compliance just because you’re used to a worse system.
Let alone if you feel like going out of ð way to justify shitting on oðer people’s innocent fun.
Why are all thornies I ever saw complete nutjobs?
Because you’re on Lemmy and no one here seems to be, you included.
^ What did he mean by this?
Thornies is a pejorative I’ve never seen before, who does that refer to?
There’s unfortunately more people like this very guy
That didn’t really answer my question.
You’re right, it is. But language shifts in populations in ways that enhance communication. One person using
letterspronouns that nobody else uses makes communication of ideas more difficult.Not only that, but they’re only choosing to use some
Middle English lettersenglish pronouns, and not any otherrules of Middle English grammar or spellingdifferent types of english pronouns.They can use whatever
languagepronouns they want, but if it’s too much effort for people to understand, they’re more likely to be ignored.Doesn’t sound so reasonable now, does it? If language that mildly inconveniences others is an acceptable way to express your gender identity, then why not also to express yourself creatively?
One, pronous are not letters, and letters are not pronouns. I’m not offending anyone’s gender by suggesting that using “þ” instead of “th” when trying to communicate in English on the internet in 2024 is counterproductive.
Two, gendered pronouns are some of the very oldest words in English, and they are used very regularly. They are engrained in native English speakers from birth. Each of us has a very long history of thinking in terms of these gendered pronouns, and I will grant that those who are younger have an easier time of making gender shifts with pronouns than those who are older.
There’s a reason people aren’t using xe/xey, for example. Somebody just made it up and said “use it.” Language doesn’t work by fiat (unless we’re talking about a colonizer eliminating indigenous languages by literal force). In terms of gender neutral pronouns, we already have the singular “they,” which has been in use to some degree since at least Early Modern English.
I can wholly respect and support someone’s gender and refuse to use nonsense words at the same time. Think about where gendered pronouns are used: when one person talks to a second person about a third person. If that third person is genderfluid in some way, I’m going to use “they” when referring to them (see what I did there?), because the second person is most likely to understand what I’m saying.
And before you get all fucking uppity again, I’ve had many lengthy conversations about this and so many other gender issues with my son, who is, among so many other things, trans.
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can we just go back to Homestuck-esque typing quirks?
On one hand, I agree with you
On the other hand, Jesus Christ didn’t the Middle English fad die out in like, 2013 Reddit?
And you should be glad it did. Germans didnt get so lucky.
r/ich_iel and [email protected] STILL think it’s funny not to use english words and instead translate them literally so it sounds like complete nonsense. (“Zangendeutsch”) This joke got old like 10 years ago but if you use even a single english word you will still be greeted with “Sprich Deutsch du Hurensohn” which means speak German you son of a bitch.
I just want good memes in my own language, but that community is insufferable.
/rant, sorry
Und es ist auch immernoch fickend lustig du Hurensohn!
To be fair, although Zangendeutsch is commonly used for shits and giggles the reaction to English words hasn’t been this way since some time after Reddit.
It evolved into an ironic [email protected] style complete-the-sentence thingy where everything goes.
Wait wait wait, that community is… real Germans, but they speak broken German as a joke? Holy shit I thought this kind of dumb was reserved to English…
every language has its own group of scoundrels
Yeah they translate every English word literally as a meme. Like Facebook becomes Gesichtbuch. Personally, I find it hilarious.
Foliant der Antlitze
This is precious 😍
Is Biden too stupid to realize that helping Bibi helps trump? Or does he just not care because supporting genocide is more important to him than the election?
I think the most reasonable assumption would be that the Democrats reckon that coming out against Israel will lose them more zionist votes then sticking with Israel will lose them anti-genocide votes. And given the amount of money AIPAC has been throwing around against anti-zionist candidates in primaries, that might not be an incorrect reckoning.
its about money not votes. Usually whoever gets the most money wins.
Which means they’ve made the calculation that they don’t need or want the anti-genocide vote.
So don’t blame this anti-genocide voter for not voting for a candidate that doesn’t want me.
They’ve probably also figured out how many people saying that will actually fold with a little arm twisting. Would be super interesting to see those numbers.
And in doing so, you are hanging out to dry LGBTQ+, women, racial minorities, anyone working for minimum wage, anyone with health insurance, thousands of federal employees, the people of Ukraine, and when it really comes down to it, the people of Gaza.
There is no anti-genocide option on the table. Not in any meaningful way. It’s not a real choice at all, to be honest, but the direction is clear.
There is no anti-genocide option on the table.
If you find yourself writing this, then stop what you’re doing and re-evaluate your entire ideology.
There is no anti-genocide option on the table. That’s not ideology, it’s reality.
There is an anti-genocide option on the table, but neither democrats nor republicans are willing to use it. You should stop defending people who support genocide by pretending genocide is the only option.
It’s not anything I can vote for, and not voting doesn’t get us there, either. There is no real choice.
If you hate imperialism hard enough, a viable third party candidate will emerge. You just have to try harder. /s
Imagine if all those people stood together against genocide instead of dividing over it. Women alone are like half the population… Why are they siding with genocide? They could elect anyone they want. Anyone with health insurance? That’s almost everyone. Bam, anyone they want. If a gay person votes for genocide how much should I really give a shit about them? There’s no “meaningful choice” because the libs get out early saying so… But if it’s not this election then certainly by the next one, millennials and zoomers are gonna be done with the old boomer parties… And good riddance
I can imagine. Let’s say all these groups unanimously decided not to vote for democrats. Then they ask who they do vote for.
Feminists vote for the best feminist candidate they can find. BLM votes for the best civil rights candidate they can find. LGBTQ people vote for the queerist person they can find. None of them support genocide, but none of them are voting for the same person.
Now Trump wins with the vote split 40/20/20/20. Great job, we overwhelmingly voted against genocide and it only got worse.
There is no anti-genocide option on the table. It is not a real choice.
Ugh… We need ranked choice so bad
Hey, I know you, you’re ðat guy
Ye
This would normally totally annihilate a presidential run. Fucks sake, they were ended by a guy saying “please clap” or having a weird laugh.
But then again, only cultists vote for this man.
Trump does something of this nature every week and I read this same comment every week.
Nixon did the same during the Vietnam war. He just wasn’t public about it. Same with Reagan during the hostage crisis.
There are no rules if there is an “R” next to your name.
It’s not just the Maga hats. There is a substantial amount of the population that thinks claims like this are just muckracking by “the other side”, and that he is really the better candidate in terms of economy, border security, and traditional values.
This would normally totally annihilate a presidential run.
What annihilates a Presidential Run is heavily predicated on the propaganda machine surrounding the candidate.
In this case, you’ve got an American media that is fully in bed with the MIC and a big client state of the MIC generating enormous returns through procurement.
Why would a conglomerate that profits off sale of arms to Israel want a ceasefire? Why would media owned by these conglomerates bad mouth a candidate that promises to increase military aid and Pentagon spending?
For the same reason you see glowing coverage of Saudi Arabia, Dubai, the Philippines, and India, you’re going to keep seeing us love bomb our favorite genocidal dictatorship in the Middle East.
Ahhh, a tale as old as Reagan…
As old as Nixon!
To think what things constituted as crimes and scandals back in the hay day of Nixon.
It worked for “Tricky Dick”. He just didn’t feel the need to go blabbing it to everybody because back then you couldn’t get elected without at least pretending to have morals.
Worked for Reagan, too.
If you’re going to use eth I just wish you’d use a vowel for ‘the’. No other consonants imply vowels in english.
Borrowed from Shavian, where ð equivalent letter, as well as four oðer consonants, actually do imply ð full word.
Used for words wið specific grammar purposes, n for and, f for for, v for of, and t for to.
What makes you choose þ or ð? In Icelandic it’s the difference between voiced and voiceless.
What ever makes them feel better than everyone else at the current moment. Nothing else matters.
That seems to be what they’re doing here too. It reads almost normal to me except for not writing out “ðe” fully which is pointlessly jarring.
Interesting. Shaw specified that shavian alphabet should be a complete replacement to avoid the jarring appearance of misspelling though right? Porting those conventions into standard english orthography seems to violate that.
Meh, why waste a perfectly usable convention when you’re not gonna use ð alphabet it was originally used in?
It’s because language changes gradually over time. Most people who aren’t English Majors or have a Linguistics degree don’t even know what a Thorn is, and I don’t even blame them. (Also the fact that no Middle English characters are on my keyboard, closest I have to a dead symbol is ‽)
I actually use þe interrobang quite frequently!
Same, personally I find it quite hilarious ðat people bitch at me about how “th” is mandatory because linguistic development and ðen in ð same breaþ condemn ‽ as quirky bait.
I þink it’s important we have some fun wiþ language. Using historic letters is fun! So is þe interrobang! Who cares about þe people bitching‽ Language development doesn’t need to be homogenous
Fair enough!
Am I the only one who thinks that IF the US survives this election that things have to change radically?
You can’t have a democracy like this when a convicted criminal mobster wannabe can just get enough votes to install himself as a dictator and if he doesn’t that he just organizes a deadly insurrection to try and get himself there anyway
The USA needs to get rid of this winner takes all system, it needs to rid itself of this system that requires a president. What it needs is 20-30 political parties that each get a share of the pie and have to work together.
This situation has gotten worse EVERY election since Reagan, last time we had a failed coup, this time we may get a dictatorship, what. The. Fuck.
I’ll continue. The supreme court needs to be removed entirely and be replaced with whatever is better. The police forces need to be completely overhauled. Pacs and super PACs need to be illegal immediately, every cent in politics needs to be accounted for. An absolute split between church and state, and while at it, tax churches heavily. Undo all gerrymandering, return taxation to how it was in 1940, updates for current times tomokug loop holes but going up to 100% on income after an x amount per year. Nobody should be able to be a billionaire, hell, nobody should be able to be a 100 millionaire. After a certain amount of wealth, that’s it, you can make more but it all goes to taxes.
Edit: to add to this: news organizations should be government funded through a neutral third party. Nobody wants to pay for Jews anymore but we desperately need it. So let’s make sure it’s funded and out laws (back) in place requiring journalists to be neutral and honest. Fox News style
“news”bullshit should never be allowed. Opinions is fine, as long as that’s what it is clearly called and labeled as. If a news organization obviously focusses on one type of politics, out you go. Also, break the 24 hour news cycle. We don’t need news 24 hours a day, as it inevitably leads to a numbers game which leads to news organizations to just publish clicks for money, which leads to news about how there is crime like there is no tomorrow while reality it’s the other way around. News should be informing people, stop the misinformation.Another add: schools should be required to teach about voting, how to vote and why it’s important. Just, obviously, not what to vote. Right now so many people vote for person X because “he seems such a sweet man, I’d love to have him over for dinner!” With that, don’t allow political parties to use slogans, as it dumbs everything down to stoopid.
Just a few things to start with…
My concern since late 2018 or so has been that America is effectively terminal, it’s just that we don’t know it yet. That we’ve passed some internal tipping point before waking up where even if we try to course correct, it’s too late to stop the decline. I’m not sure we can get the momentum anymore to fix it. Biden and even Kamala feel more like a temporary reprieve where we’ll only have enough power to stave off total collapse, but not enough to actually make any headway. Which is basically all Biden has been able to do.
That’s a legit worry, but since we don’t know where that tipping point is we don’t know if we’ve passed it or not. I think it’s just as legitimate to maintain hope, and here’s why. The repeating pattern we’ve seen is that when progressives start to institute policies to improve people’s lives, there’s always a lag before any tangible results. During the wait the pendulum shifts back to regressivism, Republicans get in control, and then proceed to take credit as things improve. They use this momentum for more elitist policies that reverse the gains, but the harm to the general public also has a lag and doesn’t become apparent until the pendulum has shifted back to progressives, who inherit a pile of shit to contend with.
But MAGA has fragmented the Republican party so hard, after he loses the election it will take the party years to recover, as the rats claw each other to pieces trying to get on top. Instead of the usual 4-8 years it could take 12-16 for conservatives to regroup. This will provide enough time for progressive policies to take root and bear fruit, and for progressives to actually get credit and build on them. It will be impossible for Republicans to convince even their own that things are bad enough to go back to retro policies. They’ll have to think of a new playbook.
I just think this whole period of time is going to move the goalposts to the left, America will still have a chance to resemble something like the ideal we were taught to expect.
No arguments
Yeah we have to outgrow the POV that says putting limits on wealth equals communism, or means no freedom. Democracy loses its meaning if kings can live inside it - which is what we get if wealth gives individuals more power than the rest of society. We’re on course back to the age of aristocrat landowners and tenant farmers. That’s not human progress, that’s degeneration. To me the slogan, “We won’t go back!” means a lot more than avoiding another Trump administration. It means recharting the course of our society away from a nobles vs peasants world and toward a world of true equality. It will take changes that are much more fundamental than imposing taxes on wealth. We have to de-legitimize extreme wealth and disable the huge leverage it gives a few people over the rest of us.
I fully agree with you but I’d do it through taxes. It’s not forbidden to be ultra wealthy, it’s just impossible to become that. Just after a certain about of either current wealth or income, income taxes go to 100% and at certain wealth levels, be it through owning buildings, yachts, or whatever, taxes will make sure you’ll have to sell off some of those assets until you’re within normal range. Nothing wrong with that in my book
Okay but you could also lock people in a room full of water and say you’re not forbidding breathing. Technically the truth, but not if we’re being honest. Using the law to make something impossible is forbidding it. Taxation doesn’t address the belief that the big bad gubmint is stealing something you earned. I think the underlying problem is way more complex to solve by just doing that. We have to get rid of the scarcity mentality, a survival trait that will take a long-term effort to eliminate. We’re probably talking multiple lifetimes.
Taxation isn’t theft, you get loads of things back. Roads, police, (in functional countries) healthcare, fire departments, military to protect against invaders… If you’re rich it’s easier to pay more, and you should
Yes, I’m not arguing that taxation is bad. Looks like we’re having two different conversations so I’m gonna just bow out.
I have a rewritten constitution in my profile, so nah, you ain’t ð only one bro
I have a rewritten constitution in my profile
bro
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Damn, Trump must be making Biden and Harris give unequivocal support to Netanyahu’s genocide too! The conspiracy goes deeper than I thought.
Don’t worry, I’m sure in a few years he’ll be indicted, and then a few years after that there will be a trial, and then a few years after that he might be forced to grift his followers to pay a fine.
Technically I don’t even þink ðis would get a trial, since Israel, unlike Iran and ð Vietkong, are not enemies of ð US at ð time of ð act in question.
Meaning what would normally qualify for an open and shut case for treason doesn’t apply since ð aiding and abetting isn’t happening to a technically hostile power.
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Because they’re awesome
Because (based on their post history) a few weeks back they had a crisis of identity and needed to do something - anything - to feel seen.
Sadly, they chose an annoying as fuck thing to harp on about in pursuit of being a special butterfly. Normally I’d just block and move on, but I want to observe this particular slow-motion tragedy as it unfolds.
Shit, he probably won’t last long before senility or old age gets him. Then we have old president JD to look forward to
Senility and old age have already “gotten” him. He’s basically an animated carcass.
Downvoted for the title. Not sure what kind of mouth breather trend that is, but it’s not lasting
It’s not a trend. The way you and drag are speaking is the trend. Phlubbadubba is speaking Old English. You’re right, though, it didn’t last.
The conversation I had with drag before about drag’s reasons for speaking this way shifted my perspective enough that Phlubbadubba’s use of Old English doesn’t bother me the way it probably would have before. I understood drag, but seeing how negatively people are responding to a tiny bit of Old English makes me appreciate drag. Keep it up.
The way Drag speaks is the trend, we are all just following
Is a fucked up sense of outrage supposed to make you look internet cool? Hey check me out, I’m acting more concerned about something stupid the OP did than I am about the alarming content they just shared, isn’t my personality so edgy?
And announcing your downvote, you’re like the reincarnation of Oscar Wilde over there.
I remember a person on Reddit using this.
þ- th sounding /θ/ (think)
ð- th sounding /ð/ (the)As to why… I hope OP tells us.
Because I feel like it
You don’t get it, I find it annoying so you should cater to me. STOP HAVING FUN BECAUSE I FEEL EXCLUDED!!!1!1!1
/s
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Same energy tbh
Yes exactly
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And it hurts just as many people.
None.
Hurts me, at least
I support.
Æsþetically it looks dense & unique like ð rare, sunderly dental fricative sounds English makes. “ð” isn’t historic since Old English really didn’t boðer ƿiþ separating voiced vs. unvoiced dental, but ðat’s okay since our broðers up norþ in Iceland use ðese 2 characters in ð manner you prescribe. I like ð mirroring a as ð single-character definite vs. indefinite article too. As someone around ESL (English as a second language) speakers, it can help ðem not only knoƿ hƿich sound to make hƿile preventing silly slip-ups like former US president Donald Trump saying Þighland instead of Thailand—but it ƿould be obvious if our ƿritten form ƿasn’t forced to drop þorn for overloading “y” or “th” for ð printing press’ limitations not built for our tongue.
Before computers or printing presses, ƿe didn’t have spellcheck—so folks spelled ƿords as ðey sound. Having less digraphs favoring more single characters is considered more ergonomic; Dvorak, ð keyboard layout, has “ht” on the home roƿ of ð dominant hand to shoƿ just hoƿ dominant ðis digraph truly is for typing English.
Look, english spelling is already a mess for me to parse (non-native speaker). If y’all start using this other alphabet, I’m just not gonna bother reading.
“Oh no! Anyway” kind of comment, but I must protest somehow.
Yeah, I think this is a pretty shitty way to behave on a website with a large number of non-native English speakers.
Do you think it’s shitty for black people in America to use African American English dialect on public forums where non-native speakers could see it? Same deal, just different levels of familiarity. Nothing is forcing anyone to engage with this post, but a lot of people seem to feel a strong enough desire to enforce social conformity that they go out of their way to complain about someone doing something different.
No. Not same deal. One is dialect with slang, which is readable, and which you can just easily look up if you don’t know.
The other is using letters that even most native English speakers can’t parse.
Also, comparing this person’s nonsense to an ethnic group’s way of speaking is highly offensive. I hope you realize that.
I think the real shitty part is the English itself, not letter changes.
We could do the nice thing and make an easier language the standard? Spanish maybe? Could also do German. /s
I vote for a Klingon/Dothraki hybrid for the global language.
Ban ñ from Spanish! My language does not have this character!
Non-native speakers tend to mess up dental fricatives in speech as is. This usage is a good reminder as a character for a sound your language doesn’t have… a lot of languages “th” is pronounced as English “t” which implies aspiration like in Thomas. It is just like learning any other non-Romantic language & is literally in Icelandic—not some made-up character.
I have no problem reading text that uses these characters, but hƿich and hƿile really bother me.
They are weirder ones for sure since they look like Ps without extra training. But just slapping two Vs or Us together like the Romans is a hack compared to the historic ƿ (from Runic ᚹ).
But even stranger is why on Earth were “hw” flipped by printing press folks after hundreds of years with the h first due to pronunciation… I wouldn’t be surprised if the voiceless labial–velar fricative went out of fashion based the new spelling to where many (maybe most) speakers don’t differentiate between “w” & “wh”.
I was talking about the beginning “h”, not the ƿ. Because there are people who pronounce it like that.
I know—but they used to spell the h first too. Almost everyone used to pronounce it ʍ as well, hence my theory that the pronunciation stopped after the wild choice to do a spelling reform
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_labial–velar_fricative
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latin-script_digraphs#W
Why do you persist in writing “ð” rather than “ðe” for “the”? And… Do you really say æsþetic and not æstetic? Where are you from to do that?
FWIW, do not support, even as a brother up north. English spelling is broken but there are more glaring problems to fix first.
Why should the indefinite article, “a”, a single character but the definite article, “the”, takes 3 chars? You know those that created our more modern English decided to respell could with -ould just for symmetry with would & should (Old English was cūþe, with our boy thorn for a dental fricative ending)—so it isn’t like words never changed to look nicer. Middle English often wrote the “the” as þͤ. /ðə/ is the normal transcription. “ð” without specially markers seems fine: single char for a very common word while indicating that it is a voiced sound (meaning not the unvoiced þ).
Aesthetic comes from Greek αἰσθητικός. θ is an unvoiced dental fricative (also the symbol in IPA) just like our boy þ (descended from the Futhark ᚦ). All transcriptions of English dialects I found show it with the “th” in pronunciation… so if you aren’t using a unvoiced dental fricative, you would be the weird one. 🙃
I would agree that fixing the vowels should be a higher priority. But English does not fit a five-vowel system like most Latin languages whose letters were shoehorned onto English. The only way to fix it (ignoring the dialectal splits) would be to either invent an entirely new writing system or going back to the system prior to Latin script adoption since the old system more properly encoded English sounds with few diagraphs & many more vowels to work with. In the latter case you would go for the Anglo-Saxon runes brought to the British Isles by the Angles, Saxons, & Jutes. With modernization, I would support this too tho 😅
Right, so you’re just arbitrarily changing words. That’s very nice.
In recent years tho & thru have been increasingly more common than though & through. Common words tend to do this—the is a top-10 usage word in English. Makes sense.
Look on how you go from Latin ET/et to &. Turns a common word into a single symbol. Or similar a (and an) coming from Old English ān with cognates in Old Frisian, German, Norse, Saxon, and Gothic with forms like “ein” further being reduced.
If there is a historical precendence for this happening, there is no reason to assume the language’s writing would not, could not, or should not evolve similarly.
ᚻᛠᛏᚢᚱᛋ᛫ᚷᛟᚾᚾᚫ᛫ᚻᛠᛏ
I know what this says because of ultima underworld
Translation: häturs᛫gonna᛫hät
Ðey do be like ðat sometimes
This was a little easier than reading finnegans Wake but not much. Definitely more humorous though. Thank you.
De nada
Bro thinks they’re a homestuck character
Legit only know homestuck is even a þing þrough Undertale and Megalovania
80% of your comment history is bent on those letters. Is that all you want to be known for?
Are ðose letters really so offensive to you ðat ðey warrant being what you define someone else by?
It’s more that it makes your posts hard to read for no reason other than a painfully transparent and desperate cry to be “unique” and “quirky.” That said, you do you, man.
Lovely, that you paint me as “offended by these letters.”
You don’t know me.
Go back to your fucking ð.
None of us will be “known” for anything on this website. It will all fade. Let them try to be quirky to rage against oblivion, it hardly impacts your life.
In fact, I’m thankful for the stupid trend because I had no idea how to read some of those names in Fire Emblem: Heroes.
Eh, fair.
But English is hard enough without that kind of dickery.
I’ve seen them explain it elsewhere. As i recall, they liked the reaction it got, and do it for that.
They’re still missing the “e” from “ðe”. That’s what bothers me.
leaving it to context for the reader to infer the meaning
So the same way we differentiate between the two sounds “th” can make?
I can’t even understand what this is supposed to say.
Quoth the tankies, but Dems same tho
They’re using old English characters that used to mean “th”
The daily edge hahaha I’m mature
