Do we have a credible source?
Yes
The Telegraph is the British Conservative Party’s media wing. I’m not saying this isn’t true, but it would come better from someone else.
Oh I didn’t know. I thought they were legit.
Just because they’re conservative doesn’t mean they’re publishing falsehoods. Just be on the lookout for bias, which you should for all media.
For example, the oppression of women in Afghanistan is probably being reported on more by conservative sources not because they are against the oppression of women, but because they’re hawks who disagreed with leaving Afghanistan, and there’s probably some anti-muslim sentiment motivating it as well. Likewise liberal media sources are probably ignoring it because leaving Afghanistan the way America did was largely considered to be a disaster which was finalized under a Democratic administration, and for all their talk of caring about women they did basically abandon half the population of an entire nation. It would probably not help their side of the current election cycle to shine light on the catastrophic fallout of one of Biden’s major international policy decisions.
Again. I said I didn’t necessarily think it was false just because it’s in the Telegraph, but neither am I going to trust it to be true.
Also, remember its a conservative trap to blame the terrible withdrawal on Biden. Bush started that war with no objective and no end plan. It’s been sitting there waiting for a one-termer to have the political freedom to call time.
Hmmm Ground News says it has only been reported by the right so far
Which one would that be?
I mean…yeah. They ARE waging an all out war on women. It’s the literal taliban. What did you expect?
Oh, hold on, I’m getting a telegram from 1939. It appears as if a Jewish woman in Germany is having a disagreement of opinions with one “Adolph Hitler”. Seems this Hitler fellow isn’t a fan of the Jews…
*Adolf.
Wait, really? That’s an even dumber name that I thought it was already! Normally I’d feel bad for spelling a persons name wrong…but it’s literally hitler. Excuse me while I feel no sympathy for insulting one of the biggest facists in history.
I disagree, it was a common German first name until he ruined it.
Though you should keep insulting him, the methhead “war strategist” deserves it.
I don’t know about you but I think that Hitler fellow sounds like a bad egg.
The more I hear about this Hitler guy, I tell ya
He’s a little sus.
Some say his policies are sketch.
He’s like the opposite of based
Well, he did kill himself. Though it would have been nice if he’d thought to do that sooner.
Perhaps… or perhaps not. Hitler was a paranoid, drug addict. He made so many mistakes, that despite Germany’s early advantages he made a lot of bad decisions that lead to the downfall of germany. If he died earlier, someone else would took the reins and may not made the same mistakes and leading to germany’s victory.
“The world has abandoned us,” she added. “They left us to the Taliban, and whatever happens to us now is a result of Western government policies.”
Hear hear.
So, now we WANT America to perpetually occupy Afghanistan?
Well, there’s also that bit where we funded fundamentalists during the cold war to try and fuck with the soviets, and the imperialism we and the soviets did that led to radicalization. A problem that we exacerbated which bit us back in the ass a few decades later.
Saudi was the one who built all the madrassas that created fundie fanatics.
And now the other countries are trying to do similar to us lol.
I wish the US had spent its efforts and resources towards completely eliminating the Taliban as an institution and ideology rather than kind of shoveling money around to opportunists with no skills for organizing people or maintaining loyalty. I think what happened instead was that the US was afraid of sparking a new movement that would eventually operate outside of its control so it funded what it thought it could control: rich assholes.
And now the religious fascists are back in charge. Wheee.
American occupation actually strengthened the Taliban compared to before the US came, so America does bear some responsibility for this. Left to their own devices, the Taliban would’ve likely collapsed under their own weight, but now it’s likely they’ll stick around for while because of Chinese support.
Do you see that collapse coming now that the Taliban have total control? Because that was the situation before the US invaded. We should have smashed Al Qaeda and then left, telling them that from now on, we’ll leave you alone as long as you leave us alone.
Do you see that collapse coming now that the Taliban have total control?
I mean I did say they now have Chinese support where at the time they’d have been more or less on their own.
Because that was the situation before the US invaded.
Untrue. The pre-2001 Taliban saw fierce resistance from the North Afghan Alliance, among others, and didn’t control all the country’s territory. Compare to now where there’s no meaningful resistance to their reign of terror.
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Yes, that’s the only option. It’s always occupation or no occupation. No other options exist. /s
I think everyone wanted Afghanistan to not give up immediately and surrender to the Taliban. Fighting spirit like Ukraine.
Almost 20 years of military training and equipment and they did nothing. I get there was probably family on the other side, but the military basically gave up on the dreams of the Afghan women.
We should (the west as this is not just on the states) have armed and trained the women and not the failsons.
If we could watch alternate time lines that’d be interesting to watch unfold
Since when is it the world’s responsibility to save you from your superstitions?
Since when is it the world’s responsibility to explain shit to you?
The US invasion strengthened the Taliban and basically killed native resistance to their regime, so the US does bear some responsibility for this.
I actually had “an entire country fails the Bechdel test” on my 2024 bingo card.
Guys, guys - settle down, Pooty Poot just took them off the terrorist list, they’re fiiiiine.
It’s probably just a joke, bro!
Seems like something I would expect from the Taliban.
…And how… pray tell… do they… plan to enforce this?
Violence
Definitely violently too.
They’ll unless such violent violence that women’s voice won’t ever again.
religion doing what religion does… men doing what men do…
What is the news!?
Project 2025 energy.
It feels like the Taliban is just passing more and more ridiculous subjugation laws to try and get the west to attack them again so that they can go back to riding camels and shooting AKs with their ‘brothers’ instead of enduring the hell of office work and family life that is modern society.
They are totally free to do that now without the US attacking them. Hopefully the US has learned the lesson that Afghanistan is not worth invading nor “saving”.
Predicting in 20 years, all afghani women have super deep voices because they only ever hear men speak
U.S. conservatives furiously taking notes…
I thought leftists were the ones who like Islam? Or did it switch again?
You had me believing you thought in the first half of your comment but then your proved otherwise
It’s that leftists “like Islam”, it’s just that they are generally not broadly xenophobic.
Leftists are largely non-religious, rightists are the religious fanatics.
I know. Yet every time someone criticizes Islam on the internet, leftists jump in to accuse them of racism. I find this inconsistency weird.
Those people are defending non-extremist Muslims, not all Islam. There’s a huge difference, though I don’t expect you to grasp it based on the general level of ignorance you’ve displayed thus far.
Muslims are by definition supporters of Islam. By defending their beliefs, you are defending Islam.
They’re not defending their beliefs, they’re defending their right to exist. It’s the same thing they do for Christians and Jews and Buddhists etc etc etc.
See? I told you you wouldn’t get it.
It’s interesting that they don’t extend the logic to, say, Nazis. I am Personally consistent on this: both Muslims and Nazis should have the right to exist, but not to force their views on others.
The problem is religious fanaticism. It doesn’t matter what the flavor of your extreme fundamentalist religion, the cyanide Koolaid it represents will kill you. Don’t think for a minute that extreme fundamentalist Christians wouldn’t do similar stuff.
I definitely agree that fundamentalist Christians are also bad. Why are you assuming I don’t?
Controversial statement: We shouldn’t have left.
I agree. I protested the war when it started, but it did start, and it did continue, and Trump’s move to free all those Taliban prisoners and basically give the country to them was one tmof the most shameful things America has done in a long time. But Trump loves fascists and the Taliban are fascists.
Actually, US occupation of Afghanistan was a huge waste of money. We should have settled for, leave us alone and we will leave your wretched bronze age asses alone. Fuck with us and we will kill you all.
Uh huh…
I see this as just another step towards the extremes of ridiculousness that is fundamentalist Islamic religion. Imagine being so disconnected from existence, and being so hypnotised by words, that you would subjugate those in your culture who, through their natural virtue, embody the positive characteristics of the very god they describe and worship such as love, compassion, acceptance, understanding, yeilding, giving etc.
If only this sort of dangerous nonsense were the purview of just fundie Muslims. Fundie Christians would and will do the same things should they gain absolute power.
Right. Margaret Atwood based the Handmaid’s Tale as a combination of things that have happened somewhere, and she arguably didn’t go far enough.
