guys, this is dumb af. this is america. trump isn’t going to prison.
People who think trump is going to prison now are delusional.
That’s the whole point why they suspended sentencing till elections so to see who wins. He’s not getting sentenced now.
Also then you put JD in charge…
Would he? Honest question I’m not sure how at would work if Trump was imprisoned or died before taking office.
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-20/
In Section 3:
If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President.
Wouldn’t surprise me if the GOP martyred Trump, honestly. They can’t have him abdicate or remove him and have MAGA support, but if they could find a way to martyr him they would have their messiah and Thiel’s boy in place. The smart play would be to have him serve more than half of his term though, so Vance could have a shot at 10 years in the White House.
Thank you for sou g the leg work.
We (probably) don’t have a president-elect yet, only a presumptive one. The EC votes have been neither cast nor counted. The most likely point in time at which a candidate becomes president-elect is when the majority of the EC votes have been cast for that candidate, regardless of the counting and certification. Even though we use the term loosely for the assumed winner, the EC adds a layer of weirdness to the legal definition.
Yeah, but most states have the faithless electors thing sorted out already, the ones that don’t would probably quickly pass laws to bind them to the slate the voters chose.
What I’m saying is not about faithless electors. I never mentioned them, so I’m not completely sure what took you down that road.
There is a legal definition of the term “president-elect” that hasn’t entirely been sorted out. The most widely accepted view is that the candidate who has the majority of EC votes cast for them, regardless of whether those votes have been counted or certified, is legally the president-elect. The nuance to this is that any reference to the president-elect before EC votes have been cast is using the common term, not the legal one.
The distinction is mostly inconsequential, one major exception being the 20th amendment, which you cited previously. That particular usage is specifically the legal definition, which very likely has not been satisfied until the EC casts their votes. The outcome is that, if those who are meant to uphold the law have any interest in doing so, the 20th amendment does not yet apply, and the legal roles of president-elect and vice president-elect are currently vacant.
I would go so far as to say that this has always ben the plan, at least this time around. I find it highly suspicious that Trump has been the target of assassination attempts by republicans twice (plus a foreign attempt on his life) already. We’re being prepared to accept this as expected when it finally happens, and it has to happen in order to give Vance the pretext to implement martial law and usher in the high-tech Handmaid’s Tale scenario his patrons want. Trump is their useful idiot; but useful only because he is populist and charismatic enough to get them in power via ordinary electoral process. Once they suspend that process entirely they no longer need him and in fact he becomes a liability; offing him kills two birds with one stone.
I figure they’ll wait until Jan 21, 2027 at which point Trump’s death/removal wouldn’t prevent Vance from serving an additional two full terms. Before than and it counts towards the two term limit for Vance.
Didn’t Napoleon go to prison?
Napoleon was french, not American.
Citation needed.
It’s a meme so of course it’s dumb. It’s also pretty funny.
To do so would subvert the will of democracy. I thought liberals were the defenders of democracy? You lost the election. You fucking lost, move forward and try again in 4 years. Stop acting like spoiled entitled children.
enjoy the tariffs snowflake
The law is the law.
Try it in Latin, for an extra kick.
Dura lex sed lex
“We put all our politicians in prison as soon as they’re elected. Don’t you?” “Why?” “It saves time.” -Terry Pratchett, The Last Continent
I’d assume any sentence for time to serve would be suspended until after his term.
That said, it would be very funny to be in a time where the US President could not visit certain states because he would be arrested.
Yeah, won’t happen
Also, if it did, then what? You’ll have a Jesus death cult in charge of nukes. At least you can control trump by brown nosing him, the cult just will destroy the world to bring back jesus
Oh God, PLEASE, I know by now it won’t happen, but I’m begging
This country will never, ever prosecute a president because it would set a precedent of holding our politicians accountable. Ain’t happening. We’ve all been watching Pelosi do insider trading for decades.
Faaallllseee equivalennnnnceeee
As reprehensible as it is morally, Congresscritters can STILL legally trade based on their insider info they get from their Congresscritter jobs. So there’s really no crime to prosecute. There SHIOULD be, but there isn’t.
Insider trading is actually legal for congress though. You’re point is valid for systemic issues but this specific one boils down to the individuals involved. There is no precedent for this, no one can really say the judge did anything improper. It would likely be a boon for the governor in a blue state and who knows the DA ambitions.
I’m mostly making counterpoints than a prediction though. I still don’t think anything major will happen.
Politicians doing insider trading is not limited to Pelosi, and somehow not illegal. At least Congress has more ethics standards than courts, but it’s an extremely low bar and unreasonable to be held to such lower standard than the rest of us
The “somehow” isn’t a big leap… The people who would have to outlaw it are the exact ones benefitting from the broken status quo, same as it ever was.
Yes, the second most pressing concern in everyone’s lives after a second Trump term—Nancy Pelosi’s husband
I’m concerned about Pelosi’s husband! Didn’t he get attacked by a dude with a hammer? I wouldn’t wish that on anyone
No one is saying that. It’s just blatant corruption in front of the entire country for everyone to see.
Hey, you drew the comparison. The whole world of corrupt US politicians to choose from. Don’t like the conclusion people draw when they read exactly what you’ve written? Just write something else lol
Except he’s already been prosecuted and found guilty. This is the sentencing. Now the question is will New York state sentence and imprison him before he takes office.
He’s just not going to show up and will stay in FL till after inauguration. If you think they’re going to hold politicians to the same standard as you and me you’re incredibly naïve.
It’s gonna be interesting because we are clearly at a level of manipulation where the sheer act of being held accountable will 100% be called persecution. From here on out any attempt to hold a politician accountable will be met with resistance and end up being theatre.
I doubt this will happen, and if it did it would do more harm than good. His followers would liken him to Paul.
They already do. Trump would not be to big to jail if we weren’t cowards.
It is not actually legal to do this. A state can’t interfere with the functioning of the federal executive branch. Most constitutional scholars would say the sentence just gets suspended until the end of his term.
Doesn’t it say they found a loophole? I figured that what they meant.
It wouldn’t effect the functioning of the federal system. You seem to forget he spent the majority of his time in his idiotic faux gold penthouse or at Mar a lago.
Dumping him into white collar prison wouldn’t change any of that and fed prisoners can still get temporary hardship/work release anyway.
What if he needs to make an international trip?
Flight risk. They can come here and work through normal visitation hours.
His parole officer would have to allow it. 😆
(Not going to happen, but it would be SO funny if it did.)
Legal eagle on YouTube and nebula has a recent video on this very subject. Short form? It’s over.
Even if this happens, we’d end up with JD Vance likely running the show which would also suck.
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If he somehow actually goes to prison they will immediately invoke the 25th amendment and make Vance president.
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bruh, jd vance is the fucking president any day now. we are talking about a morbidly obese cuntrag whose favorite pastime is demolishing hamberders.
Not going to happen
I so badly want this to happen, but it’s not going to happen
Fun to think about, but I can promise that Trump will never see consequences for his actions. Everything just miraculously slides right off of him.
Like a convcted felon president elect is going to give 2 shits about new york, or laws in general.
He’ll get a judge to pause all this shit until later. A good lawyer knows the law, a great lawyer knows the judge.
A great Russian Mafia knows the judge’s and prosecutor’s kids 🔪
And where the nearest window is when they refuse the tea
Every time there’s talks about it I think about The fall of the house of Usher
First presidential act from prison: kill the judge. Second: free himself regardless of law.
LegalEagle on YouTube says it’s basically done. He will never see jail.
He’ll just stay out of New York until his coronation
Yeah, he’ll just get his 6/3 Supreme Court majority to rule that the president is also immune to state crimes like they already ruled for federal crime.
Step 1, appeal to supreme court. Step 2: go free.
That’s the plan, but it’s not clear how it’s going to work. There’s a question of why the Supreme Court of the United States would be allowed to address state crimes at all. Most of the time, they aren’t allowed to.
The answer to your question is “fuck you 6-3, laws for you, not for me!”
That does seem like a distinct possibility, and I don’t think it would make anything worse. It’s not like he is going to be locked up during the presidency, so if they do anything else to undercut attempts to hold him accountable, it only makes their reputation worse.
And if the US recovers, after several years or after many years, it’s good to have more information about exactly how f***** up that court was so we know what kinds of things we need to try to prevent from ever happening again. Do we need a constitutional amendment to prevent the court from accepting bribes? How about one that says the president can’t pardon themselves? How about one that says convicted felons can’t run for office? There are all sorts of constitutional amendments that we didn’t know we needed until this court came about. So please, let them deliver more to us, especially if it’s a situation like this where there wasn’t going to be justice anyway.
Step 1.5: rot in solitary confinement in the meantime.
It’s not much, but it’s not nothing either.
Step 1.75 Epstein as a verb
Don’t joke about that, you get me excited.
Loophole or not. His AG (likely Cannon) will threaten prison time or charge with treason or insurrection with anyone who attempts to continue any cases against him
Hasn’t he already threatened Letitia James and called her a fat ass?
