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Micro$oft doesn’t understand that these full-screen new Win11 PCs are actually Linux ads!
I have started switching my parents. Last year before all this really started getting crazy and I bought my mother a used HP elitebook laptop and set her up with Linux on it. Just to get her to test it out and use it. And replace her older laptops. There’s very little she does that actually depends on windows. Everything tends to be in the browser. There was only one odd application that’s odd even under windows. But it has an Android version that I got running with waydroid.
In the last month and I got my father a new used office PC that was about 10 Generations newer than what he had processor-wise. And set it up with Linux out of the box. He’s been enjoying using it it’s so much faster snappier and less spammy. And here this month when I have time. Getting my mother’s desktop PC converted over to dual boot at least with Linux as primary. I’ve had far fewer tech support issues since I’ve done it too.
Between system 76, framework, tuxedo, and a few other sellers. There are actually a few options now offering Linux out of the box. Next time I buy a PC it will likely be from one of them depending upon what I’m looking for. And if anyone asked me for recommendations they will be the only ones I will recommend. Apart from ordering used office machines and repurposing them LOL. Unless you want to do current gym Triple A games at 4K etc. You can get six generation i7 systems for around $100 and use graphic cards for 50 to 100. And play most games and have a great time. It’s actually kind of hilarious I have a couple of Verizon systems from the last 4 to 5 years. The system I spend more time on is a 6th generation i7 Lenovo business Tower. Largely because it’s running Linux and the others are running Windows.
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Bro you literally spammed Linux on my other older posts. Stop it
You’ll figure it out.
You replied to OP with that spammy mess in two different posts? And then act all snotty when called out?
(Apparently also not noticing the name of the account you replied to nor its profile pic? - someone who does NOT need conversion)
Here’s a tip from a longtime Linux user: You’re making us look bad. Find a different way.
Cool. Since you believe they’ll figure it out, I guess that means you don’t have to spam.
Btw.
Hey I remember you from that other post where you also spammed LINUX. :p
Holy crap it’s a full-page ad!
This whole Win 11 mess is what finally convinced me to switch. I still can’t get over that Settings hasn’t reached feature parity with Control Panel yet. Figured if I have to re-learn how to do settings for the 10th time, I might as well do it in an OS that isn’t shoving ads in my face.
Try Fedora! I find it it just works out of the box and the little I don’t know I can Google, tho im Linux newby myself
I think for people who like Out-Of-The-Box, Fedora is ideal. It’s the only OS I didn’t have to troubleshoot the Bluetooth immediately.
I put it on my grandmothers computer and she hasn’t had any major complaints in 2 years 🤞
I was simply trying to format a disk and so searched in the start bar expecting a suitable control panel item to pop up any would have happened in any sane era of windows. Instead fucking bing opened and it brought me back web results for “format disk” as well as unrelated ads. fucking web results!
gargh
I am concerned that most users won’t understand that either
They won’t. The vast majority of consumers aren’t even aware Linux exists.
I’m praising Valve right now for all the work they’ve put into Proton.
95% of my games work on Linux. Quite a few windows specific programs too. Praise proton and the wine team!
Examples of Windows programs that work via proton?
One very specific 3d printer program, greetings workshop (my mom had the program back in the day and she likes getting cards from it), Starcraft1 and Starcraft2 (works pretty well!), some contract specific programs. Theres a couple of others I have hooked up, but you get the idea.
If it doesn’t work the first time, I usually go on https://appdb.winehq.org/ or the proton specific one and take a look.
Yes, because of Proton, I’m seriously considering dumping Microsoft now. My big holdup was my library of Steam games. I just found out about Proton a couple of weeks ago, and as it turns out, most of my games are pretty compatible.
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Civ6 also has issues with the Linux version due to Aspyr slacking. A bunch of the newer content hasn’t been ported yet. Fortunately, you can force Steam to install the Windows version and run it with Proton.
My game library was what was holding me back too. Now I just have to see if animationdesk runs on linux and I’ll be all set make the switch.
If it doesn’t I don’t know what I’ll do. I haven’t found any other animation programs built primarily around onion skinning. I don’t need AI to create the tweens for me. I just want a bare bones program that let’s me do everything by hand.
I’ll have to check when I get out of work today and if it’s all good I’ll probably start researching installation processes this weekend. I don’t know much about Linux, but I guess I’m about to learn
Why in the world did Sun make such business decisions that it killed itself?
FFS, instead of open sourcing this and that, and banking on high-end servers, they could have at least tried at desktops.
If anybody remembers what Sun’s perception was in 2003, they could have been selling desktop machines for Apple prices and nobody would bat an eye.
If Sun were still alive, this wouldn’t happen. I think.
EDIT:
LOL, I’ve just stumbled upon another Bill Joy’s interview where he too says that Sun should have gone the consumer way as a priority.
Just imagine having a Solaris PC in year 2024, that is, now. ZFS with snapshots, Zones, and as easy to maintain as OpenBSD while insanely functional. Probably SPARC hardware without Intel bullshit.
And I like to think that Java applets would still be a thing, instead of HTML5 and stuff, with security problems solved and a more elegant Web.
Wasn’t sun bought by orcale not kill itself?
Almost the same.
Those aren’t prompts. Those are ads. Call a spade a spade. “Microsoft tries to convince Windows 10 users to buy a new PC with full-screen ads”
I’m just a “normal person” lol but I have a 8 year old MacBook Air running I can’t remember what version. I’ve never been forced to upgrade. Does everything I need it to. I told Microsoft to fuck themselves in 1998. Now at work, I’ve been stuck with PC’s but that’s on the company’s dime, never mine.
If your Air hadn’t reached it yet, eventually it’ll reach EOS and you’ll stop receiving software/OS updates from Apple. While this won’t force you to upgrade hardware, it does add significant risk to your online time, since vulnerabilities will go unpatched. But, again, an important difference, which you shrewdly point out, you’re not forced or coerced to upgrade.
Edit: autocorrect
Many people speak about security risks because there will be no updates, but the solution is simple, you install Linux on a new partition and do all your networking from there, I use Windows for some programs and games and that’s it
So simple I can have my father-in-law do it. And support him over the phone from a few states away. Simple.
I’m about to rebuild my dev box and I’m seriously considering a Kinoite host with a Windows 10 LTS guest. Anyone have a good Fedora-centric guide to kvm?
On my kinoite computer i just create a fedora distrobox container, install qemu on it, and boot my vms off that, works quite well, no fiddling with the filesystem or systemd services
Ty! I’ll do some research in that direction.
NO
I say this in a lot of threads lately but, here I go again:
I’m so glad I swapped to linux
Which distro?
Ubuntu, I wanted to go Debian but the installation wanted an ethternert connection to get that accomplished and I didn’t know that/think that far ahead
You chose netinstall iso?
I think so? I don’t remember now. I tried a few different ways and it came down to needing the ethernet connection so I bailed. Granted, I probably should have spent more than an hour on problem solving but I had a family hollering for me to go do stuff with them.
That doesn’t really matter too much and is mostly personal preference.
The biggest difference is which package manager and how up to date each program in there is. Arch and OpenSuse Tumbleweed will have quite up to date packages as they’re rolling release models while Mint and Ubuntu tend to be a bit slower and more stable.
I suggest going through the installation process of Arch linux at least once because it does teach you the basics of Linux but for usability you’d be better off with a distro that has a GUI installer.
Proud Linux Mint debutant here!
It’s been a year or so, and it’s so peaceful!
I have a windoze junkbox for photoshop, 3ds and some light gaming, and it’s so painful to operate, everything is just so slow when it comes to the OS. Launch a soft, right click, open the explorer…
Arch (well right now more precisely cachyos)
I’ve been using Linux on my homeserver (debian) and on previous laptops (arch) for almost a decade, but I only swapped my main desktop over this spring when nVidia sorted out waylaid explicit sync
Yes
Having moved fully to Linux some months ago, I look at this kind of thing both with with a feeling of smug satisfaction and with cold chills of somebody who only now starts to fully realise just how massive, heavy and fast the incoming train they just dodged is.
It’s really wild looking back at what we considered acceptable in the Win 7 era versus now.
Microsoft bl: "Jeah Buy a 100$ License hehe. Oh what you thought The Operating System is then centered around you the paying customer? Jeaaaah nope! We are MICROSOFT!!!
Some group who hates Microsoft should just start doing their own unofficial security updates for 10 and slowly turn it into a Linux distro
I still can’t believe that so many PCs are getting cut off from software updates. Its going to be a huge security issue. There will suddenly be millions of unsecured computers being actively used. I can imagine that this will be allowed to happen.
I think Microsoft is doing this because they want to make the ultimate spy network with copilot or what ever they are calling it now. I really need to figure out how to get a single work app to work on Linux reliably. I use it for like 99% of my work, so a virtual machine is kind of useless. I honestly think I will need to wait for a native version of the app to be developed and who knows if that will happen.
I really need to figure out how to get a single work app to work on Linux reliably
what work app?
I use it for like 99% of my work, so a virtual machine is kind of useless
i mean, it depends on your computer (like if your cpu & motherboard supports virtualization) but you can in theory get a VM with pretty decent performance
on my m1 macbook i have a windows VM that runs very smoothly and i can effortlessly use a gesture on the touchpad to switch between them. it’s pretty cool
on linux it’s a little harder to set up (i had to pay like $100 for the software on the mac) but it’s doable
MS: I want to make Windows 11 require motherboard features that make ransomware attacks more difficult so I can say it’s more secure, even though it’s merely a feature of the motherboard.
Also MS: Sadly, if your tech doesn’t have these features you cannot upgrade and it will be insecure because I will not make updates for it.
Are you talking about TPM 2? Because I don’t think that makes classic ransomware more difficult. Also it doesn’t have to be strictly a motherboard feature, e.g mine comes without a fixed hardware TPM, but my processor supports fTPM, which has up- and downsides. But it works as a TPM.
Also MS: Sadly, if your tech doesn’t have these features you cannot upgrade and it will be insecure because I will not make updates for it.
Technically, this isn’t true, MS will continue to update Windows 10 and even individual users can receive these officially through the Windows 10 ESU program: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/whats-new/extended-security-updates
Not that I’m in favor of what they’re doing, I think they should rather support older hardware with Win 11 and require modern features only on modern systems. But from a security standpoint, their decision is actually good, as it builds a secure foundation. Most private users will just do whatever on that foundation (e.g. run random stuff from the Internet), but I think going forward, this is the right choice, though probably for the wrong reason of doing Intel a favor.
SecureBoot.
Yes. Go buy a new computer.
Then give me your old computer so I can put linux on it and distribute it for free to students and immigrants.
I like how almost everything we do now is in response to things going to shit.
Lemmy - Reddit went to shit
Linux (Desktop, anyway) - Windows went to shit
Piracy - Distribution and pricing went to shit
Jellyfin - Plex went to shit
Emulation - Nintendo, mostly…
Matrix - Just in case Signal tries anything… switchblade
Monopoly was originally the Landlord’s Game and was designed to teach children the dangers of unchecked monopolies and growth in the concentration of wealth.
Software and by extension, software companies are subject to those same Iron Laws of Oligarchy.
Given enough time, everything turns to shit, and it’s up to younger, healthy, energized people to fight back the power creep.
I recently installed Linux because windows pissed me off and I laughed out loud at this…
I convinced my wife to dual booting Linux Mint. She uses it every now and then, but she primarily still uses Windows 10. I hope she will abandon it once she sees this. She absolutely detests ads of any kind.
Just get rid of Windows completely so the crutch isn’t there. Use a Windows VM if you absolutely need to.
