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“we have no choice but to follow Reddits guidelines”
There’s another choice, but that would require you to look past reddit.
Not that the mods are aware, but if Reddit disappeared tomorrow, I (sadly) suspect most users would go to Twitter or various Discords.
shithole 1 or shithole 2.
What if we made a new shithole?
then i would leave. Im trying to run away from the shit wave.
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I’ve thought about it as some of my niche interests have dried up on Reddit and apparently only live on Twitter now.
And maybe Discord. It’s hard to tell because it’s closed, but I see hints of discussion spilling out into GH issues or whatever.
I despise both for different reasons, but where else am OlI gonna go if I actually want to talk with the community?
I still use Twitter. It has a pretty awesome metal community. People I’ve shared music with for many years now.
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They even have to leave, they just have to ignore the admins and become ungovernable.
But they won’t, because they’re cowards.
Didn’t lemmy.World admins also have an issue pinned earlier?
Yeah we’re not allowed to discuss jury nullification.
A legal part of the justice system cannot be discussed?
You can for past crimes, not future crimes.
The whole statement: https://lemmy.world/c/lemmyworld
About the manifesto
If it’s confirmed, I don’t see why not. Depends on the community, of course. I’m sure !lemmybewholesome would remove it.
https://lemmy.world/comment/13922763
On the other hand, there is [email protected] that got created recently. This thread can interest you, it talks about jury nullification: https://lemmy.world/post/22973877
Not an American and we don’t have jury system here.
What’s jury nullification and any notable cases where it was applied?
To determine whether or not an accused individual is guilty there are two primary options in the USA. A trial before a judge who makes the decision, or a trial by a “jury of your peers” where the whole jury must agree that the individual is guilty. A jury of one’s peers means that the people selected to hear the case are selected from the general populace and have no substantial connection to the accused. For example, you wouldn’t put the person’s mother on the jury. The jurors are not required to be lawyers or experts in any field. Just average people.
If you just wanted some people to take the facts of the case and the facts of the law and determine whether or not the accused was guilty, then you would want experts and lawyers on the jury. That’s how trials used to be hundreds of years ago. A judge, often appointed by a king, would pass sentence over the peons brought before him. Since our legal system has average everyday people as jurors, clearly they are supposed to do more than that.
This is where jury nullification comes in. The jurors not only judge based on the facts of the case, but also on whether or not the law in question is just. If an individual is accused of a crime, and is clearly in violation of the law, the juror can still find them not guilty if the law in question is unjust. In essence, the jurors nullify the law by refusing to convict. For example, during the prohibition era, it was not unheard of for juries to return not guilty verdicts for people accused of selling or transporting alcohol. The jurors thought the laws
waswere wrong so they refused to convict. A much more tragic example was in the deep south where jurors would sometime refuse to convict people of lynching black people.
!lemmyworld
We have previously asked moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification when this was suggested in context of murder or other violent crimes. Following a discussion in our team we want to clarify that we are no longer requesting moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification in the context of violent crimes when the crime in question already happened. We will still consider suggestions of jury nullification for crimes that have not (yet) happened as advocation for violence, which is violating our terms of service.
Not true - we’re just not allowed to discuss jury nullification in the context of encouraging someone to commit a violent felony which includes the promise of absolution through jury nullification.
Or something, idk. It was kinda weird.
Jury nullification as two English words that can be spoken one after the other, however, is perfectly allowable.
I think this is going to cause de-federation.
We will tolerate these beatings because we are still in love with the assaulter.
No, actually because they’re hoping the assaulter will pass the bat once they get tired
Trickle down batonomics
Oof… Yeah I mean… yeah. That’s a pretty apt description of how the world is where it is now.
Anyone with integrity left reddit on July 1st, 2023
You plant shit seeds, you get shit weeds. I hate the fact that Reddit has grown since I bailed over for API changes. It hurts my soul knowing I did the right thing and bailed but the vast majority of people who were pissed off at Reddit ended up back on the platform.
It’s bots dude
Hidden Donuts, why are you hiding?
I am? Or am I missing a joke here? Wouldn’t be the first time
Hidden files on Linux start with a period.
Lemmy has to be one of the very few places on the internet where a Linux based joke isn’t considered obscure.
In Linux, putting a “.” before a file/folder name hides it. ;)
someone did -la
Ah shit my cover is blown, never used Linux
On Lemmy. Never used Linux. Your story doesn’t add up!
There’s dozens of us, DOZENS
I’ve only used Linux when I used Retropie, does that count?
./Ha_ha
There’s no hiding it. They can tell by your socks.
Spaz gonna help his ceo friends
FYI, the S word is increasingly seen as a slur.
If we just send all the offensive words into the memory hole then people will stop thinking bad thoughts about groups of people. We can erase it right out of history and everything will be better. Control the language, control the thoughts. Thanks Ministry of Truth! 🥸
Bruh what. I’m not trying to control anything. Just offering an objective fact that you can use how you see fit.
It was just a typo of spez
Uhh…so you know language is like, a social construct, right? As people have come to realize, “spaz” was originally used to describe people with “spastic” movements from conditions like spastic paralysis or cerebral palsy, it’s fallen out of favour.
That’s all. No one is trying to control you or suppress your language. It’s just not a great word, and the language you choose reflects on your perceived character by others.
That said, I’m not here trying to police your speech, speak as you will.
Since you clearly missed it, “spaz” was just a typo of /u/spez, the CEO of reddit.
You know, the first thing I do in the morning when I wake up really should not be get on Lemmy.
He’s a spastic moron so the name fits wonderfully.
Speztic
Better than Spez… crap I said it!
Honestly I kinda wonder if he’s afraid for his own life. He had a lot of people calling for his head last year, and this kind of overreaction seems pretty in line with somebody who is just beside themselves with terror.
Case in point: this was briefly on the latest r/place before it was removed.
Uhh during the Exodus from reddit Spez was telling his employees to not wear reddit identifying clothing outside and to be careful when out in public as they were likely to be attacked…
As if people complaining and stopping using your platform was already grounds to think your life was over. He’s absolutely paranoid and this likely is just straight up eating him inside since this was more real.
This is absolutely his response and thinking that it does anything to protect himself to protect his caste.
I forgot about that! “Everyone loves us, but maybe for your safety don’t tell anyone you work here.”
Uhh during the Exodus from reddit Spez was telling his employees to not wear reddit identifying clothing outside and to be careful when out in public as they were likely to be attacked…
I’m sure he thought to himself “I’m getting so much negative feedback and hostile attention that everyone else must be experiencing the same thing… right?”
I hope he pulls an Oedipus Rex and tries so hard to avoid killing his dad and fucking his mom that he accidentally kills his dad and fucks his mom.
He is only creating a Streinhand effect.
And this is the guy who said he’d be in charge and possibly owning slaves after society collapses. What an absolute clown! LMAO!
he did?
I misremembered exactly what he said, it was “Being around other people is a good thing. I also have this somewhat egotistical view that I’m a pretty good leader. I will probably be in charge, or at least not a slave, when push comes to shove.”
Source is from a 2017 interview: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/doomsday-prep-for-the-super-rich
iv’e seen some of his pretty shitty old posts on reddit but im not suprised.
Speaking of which, anyone have a copy of it they can post?
Anywhere we can see a scan of the original? I’m very curious about the “indecipherable” bits, and it would also be very interesting to see what the handwriting looks like.
Where did he obtain the copy from? This article doesn’t provide any source info to follow up on.
Ken is harkening back to the old old school of journalistic credibility - “trust me that I’ve checked it out, and it met my standards of credibility and verification, but I won’t burn my source by revealing them”
The rub is discerning when a journalist/institution is lying/repackaging corporate or government press releases as “reporting”. Substack is a good way to free journalists of a corrupted editor, but they can also suffer from algorithmic/audience capture that incentivizes certain reporting - ie. hugbox news.
He is known for doing this stuff, as per the FOIA section of the wiki. He also leaked Luigi’s CV: https://substack.com/home/post/p-152869227 Journalists have the right to protect sources.
Is there any reliable source for this? I’ve heard there’s a fake one floating around, not sure if one is confirmed.
And this doesn’t say a whole lot.
This is who posted it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Klippenstein
I’d say you can trust the source here.
Thank you!
That’s it? I guess the idea is to suppress it to hope that this goes away sooner?
I mean, yes, it technically fits the definition of manifesto, but the word that comes to mind a “blurb”.
I wonder if Ted Kaczynski or anyone else’s manifestos along anti-corporate-establishment lines are being censored. If not, maybe it’s because they’re a little less digestible. If so, then maybe some articles by Elizabeth Rosenthal could be posted.
Why do people still use reddit? why do people still use twitter? why are people using bluesky thinking it’ll be different??
Blue sky is different. No elon
Until some other fuckwit buys it out (my pessimism says they’ll never get around to making it truly federated).
Most social media has no Elon.
It’s the network effect. It’s always the network effect.
Your current platform enshittified. Where do you go? Well, the majority of people are going to Bluesky, and it’s familiar in terms of UI, so you go there. Sure, you could convince someone like that to try something like Mastodon, but Mastodon is comparably much smaller than Bluesky, so its intrinsic value to people is substantially lower, not to mention the fact that without an algorithm, most of these users have no clue how to curate a feed, since every platform has an algorithm now. A lot of these people will have never used an algorithm-less platform in their entire life.
The same goes for Reddit vs. Lemmy. Reddit has much more users than Lemmy, more niche communities, higher engagement, etc. Why move somewhere that’s identical in function if it’s smaller? Your current platform works well enough.
I think it’s easy to underestimate how much censorship and enshittification people are willing to put up with. People will put up with a lot before they switch platforms. Reddit not letting people publish a person’s manifesto isn’t gonna convince many people to abandon their entire accounts and communities and to switch to Lemmy.
It literally took Twitter being rebranded into oblivion, and turned into an explicit safe haven for fascists and far-right freaks, with an algorithm deboosting non paid-for content multiple times over before people really started flocking out in large numbers.
I think it’s easy to underestimate how much censorship and enshittification people are willing to put up with. People will put up with a lot before they switch platforms.
People use the Internet without an adblocker
Compare also: the people who bitch about McDonald’s, Walmart, Amazon, or similar, yet still spend money there. In many cases (not all), there’s an option to spend elsewhere, yet folks still vote with their wallet to pay into the system that f***s them.
Capitalists don’t care about our gripes. The only language they know is profit and money
To be fair, a lot of that is due to significant, meaningful pressures that prevent them from actually shopping anywhere else. Corporations that provide things with much more inelastic demand (food, home goods, etc) are harder to escape from than social media sites that nobody actually needs to, for instance, stay alive.
For instance, Amazon’s “most favored nation” policy means that you’re literally not allowed to sell your product anywhere else for cheaper. Amazon becomes the only place where products have the lowest possible price you could afford.
If you need to buy a given product, whether it be groceries from Amazon Fresh, or diapers for your baby, Amazon will give you the lowest price (by effectively just causing all other prices to go up), and if, like many Americans, you live paycheck to paycheck, you can’t exactly afford to switch stores.
That isn’t true across the board of course, but it’s definitely a bit different from social media.
One issue with alternative smaller platforms can also be them becoming cesspools of users banned from the big platform. The first couple of Reddit alternatives quickly collected the racists and jailbait porn.
A viable alternative platform needs more than extremist niches.
Too true. The first lemmy instance I signed up for shut itself down without warning within a week of me signing up because they’d accidentally federated with a CP instance and their country’s government could have ended up putting the instance’s owner in jail for it.
A lot of these people will have never used an algorithm-less platform in their entire life.
Drag can confirm, drag has never used a social media without algorithms. Unless talking through two cans and a string counts.
Coming to Lemmy means losing some of the really well supported niche communities from Reddit of old and that was the biggest hit of leaving, but the site being such cancer now I wonder how well they are doing anyway.
Lemmy, once you’ve blocked 90% of the weird tankies, really does feel like Reddit from 10+ years ago in the comments. It’s just a shame due to its current small size how single minded the general feed often feels. Hopefully that improves
I’m curious, what do you mean when you say “tankie”? It’s a word that’s used to mean so many different things these days
It doesn’t have anywhere near enough of the weird transformation porn I like to be Reddit from 10 years ago
Be the change you want to see in the world! 😉
I’ve been around the internet basically since the internet and still learning new things every day…
Wtf is that lol
Drawn images of things like chicks having their booba get bigger because of magic or dudes turning into anthropomorphic horses… Stuff like that
And that’s just the tamer stuff.
Yeah where is it so I can avoid it
And while we’re at it, why the fuck is the water wet?
Water is wet?
“The safety of our members”
barfowners*
Stock holders*
Can’t risk anyone taking away any unapproved opinions…
While I agree this is inappropriate censorship in favor of the corpos, I thought the manifesto that people were sharing was debunked as not his? I heard (from an unverified source so I don’t have evidence) that Luigi himself stated it was not his?
There’s another one that’s longer that talks about a family member. That is the fake.
Well shucks, guys, we sure do hope y’all will understand, but any discussion of current events will be looked upon as a direct affront on our corporate overlords and their kin, and golly gee, we’d feel just plum awful if our beloved faceless and soulless owners found a reason to be cross with us! So, we know you’ll be just as soft and unquestioningly compliant as we have made up our minds to be, and that y’all will keep your dang ol’ gazes pointed at the floor and your yaps shut, and just do as you’re told, a-hyuck! Otherwise, our precious
r/popculturechatmight catch a whoopin’ from them powers that be, and well-shut-my-mouth, we just absolutely, positively, could not ever fucking have THAT. EVER. Could we?Delete your Reddit account.
Hot take: everyone saying to avoid praising Muad’dib on lemmy.world is wrong. Telling the truth about the first folk hero in centuries is more important than the existence of lemmy.world. Letting that community be shut down by the Dutch authorities is an acceptable sacrifice.
The fact that so many social media sites have to restrict this sort of thing just goes to show what most people think about this situation. So satisfying to watch.
To check who rules you, check who you can’t criticize.
This ol’ reliable always works
Children with leukemia are the most powerful people in the world.
Hold on, let’s test that hypothesis
Those kids with blood cancer deserved it!
Now let’s see how many downvotes this comment gets. If it gets heavily downvoted, then all hail our leukemic overlords.
well damn, did not realize that dead ceos and insurance company owners are now equivalent of “sick kids” within the US power structure.
This absolutely the right lesson to learn here. Who cares if you can’t discuss it (not literally)? We already know the American people agree. We now need to take the next step to unify the working class and organize so we can coordinate our efforts and exercise actual political power
Who the fuck is Brian Johnson?
Lead singer of AC/DC
Who the fuck
iswas Brian Johnson?Was he Thunderstruck?
When do we all just say fuck it?
we’re here, didn’t we already?
I for sure did.
Fuck it
fuck it!
Yup. They permabanned me for saying I didn’t care when Trump said Liz Cheney should be shot, since she’s called for bombing millions of people.
So it’s not just calling for violence that’s bannable. Now apathy for violence against the rich is a bannable offense. Smells like panic to me.
I was perma banned for highlighting Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher should be denied the chance to move to Europe to escape Trump. Given they have deep links to PDiddy. A nothing comment, jumped on by emotionally unstable mods. It’s the same on most of the subreddits. If you don’t agree with their perspective, you lose.
I was just about to ask why the fuck anyone would give a shit about what happens over on reddit, then I noticed the sub. Let that shit hole die and crumble into obscurity already. We moved to our own place for a reason. Fuck ‘em feed ‘em fish heads.
This is why i left reddit. One of many reasons.
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i’m not turning it into a circlejerk. I am stating that the censorship on reddit has gone too far and also the community is not aligned with my interests. That’s all there is too it.
What?! We are not?
But I’m all pricked up here! Oh yes federation, mhmmmmm… Self hosting, uhhhh yeaaaahhhhhh…!
okay I’m done.
on that topic, I do plan to self host a instance.
If you think about a public Instance, watch out for legal shenanigans.
why?
As far as I understand you could be liable for things Posted on your Instance because it’s your server. But I’m not sure.
They are all about do it and we have censorship here too… but fedi is the future.
Hopefully we get an influx of fresh meat
well it depends on if i agree with it or not. i got banned from /r/worldnews for saying the word “nakba”
it is modded by jews who pretend to not be Zionists because they said one time:
Israel bad, mmmkay
One time, their actions speak for themselves on the Gaza genocide topic.
Coupled with their behavior regarding a dead parasite Brian Thompson.
I think we can tell whose team they play for.
Beauty of fedi, this can be documented for them to be exposed. We do need a proper News sub with proper moderation and heavy traffic.
They slid into that slop and are abusing their mod status to drive elite friendly narratives.
Yeah most of the news on the conflict is very one sided, and if anyone mentions anything about palastine, its downvoted to hell or removed.
We’re brainwashed to believe in “free speech” so we don’t notice that it doesn’t exist.
I mean, free speech is a government thing. It’s got nothing to do with private companies. Anyone telling you otherwise is blowing smoke up your ass.
Would be great if those companies fucked off away from the government then.
that sub is a cesspool of humans
