- cross-posted to:
- [email protected]
- cross-posted to:
- [email protected]
You must log in or register to comment.
deleted by creator
You know you can follow the tweet to learn more about the author, right?
That “random person” is Trisha Greenhalgh - Professor of Primary Care Health Sciences at the University of Oxford.
Here’s an excerpt from her Oxford Uni profile:
Trish is the author of over 400 peer-reviewed publications and 16 textbooks. She was awarded the OBE for Services to Medicine by Her Majesty the Queen in 2001, made a Fellow of the UK Academy of Medical Sciences in 2014, and elected an International Fellow of the US Academy of Medicine in 2021. She is also a Fellow of the UK Royal College of Physicians, Royal College of General Practitioners, Faculty of Clinical Informatics and Faculty of Public Health.
https://www.phc.ox.ac.uk/team/trish-greenhalghHer Google Scholar profile shows that her work has been cited almost 95,000 times in other research papers.
https://scholar.google.co.uk/citations?sortby=pubdate&hl=en&user=8KQwEGcAAAAJ&view_op=list_worksdeleted by creator
not knowing the details
“Not knowing the details” is part of scientific endeavour. If we already knew the details there would be no need for science in the first place. We should not hold it against her.
deleted by creator
Definitely a them problem because it’s not a problem over here where I am
deleted by creator
deleted by creator
Its for yor benefit. And NHS actually saves lives.
deleted by creator
Your idiocy is astounding and it’s a miracle your bloodline hasn’t been wiped out yet by natural selection. This article is a warning against complacency and an effort to prevent a second covid crisis. Idiots like you are for a huge part to blame why the first one was so devestating so shut the fuck up and stick to your esotheric yoga group for middle aged women on facebook.
removed by mod
deleted by creator
I like your disdain for journalists and capitalism and the state but sometimes stories stick around for a long time because they’re actually still on-going. Pandemics usually have multiple cycles. There usually isn’t just one big spread and that’s it. The fact that the state f’ed up the response to the initial wave just makes more waves more likely.
Journos are wrong a lot but not 100% of the time just like 95% lol
Yeah, for sure, I get that pandemics happen in waves, I just don’t buy that there’s going to be another surge like we saw in 2022. It just doesn’t make sense, there would have to be some superspreader event the likes of which we have never seen - and we already had all of the insane amount of everyone flooding back into the airports for the summer holidays. If it was going to have a resurgence, it would have been then, I think.
I think that as long as its still spreading pretty regularly, which it is, I know its not the same as in 2022 but there is still spread happening in lots of places. As long as thats happening theres a chance of mutation and if someone with a bad mutation goes to an airport or a sports event that could trigger a surge at any moment. Its impossible to predict this stuff so I understand being skeptical of headlines especially because media always fucks up science stories. But like I said with the spread and mutations happening we don’t know when but its likely that there will be spikes or surges at some point and that means preventable deaths and thats bad. Its not as bad as we’ve seen before but still bad.
Yeah, exactly, that’s what bothers me - the risk exists, and the more that media spreads this kind of sensationist shit, the more likely that when a new variant does cause a surge in infections, people will ignore those headlines and that guidance because they’ve been desensitised.
I think the only disconnect we have is that I think different people will take this story in different ways. Some of the people in this thread I think are in the minority that is very worried about covid and the real effects its having on them or their loved ones and to them this article isn’t sensationalist.
Generally I agree with you though, most people will take an article like this as proof that the media is always full of shit and fearmongering for money and that feeling isn’t unfounded.
You mean this data? https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
If so, then don’t just look at the positive tests but at the graph that shows tests performed. Positive tests goes up but tests performed is relatively the same. That tells you it is a real increase in positivity. It could be the start of another big peak, or not. Time will tell, but you’d think going through the last years one should pay attention to such statistics. Because if you start taking measures only when you are back to 100.000+ cases a day you are a bit too late.
deleted by creator
Right back at you. Please show me where I am not “chill” here? There is one person who is not chill and its certainly not me.
You can still choose to wear a mask or not, theres no law yet or is there? So just don’t, I guess?
The smaller bumps by the way occur because people kept getting vaccines and boosters. How does that look like where you are? When was the last time you got a shot or a booster? From the sound of it a while ago.
deleted by creator
if there genuinely IS a reason to wear masks again
this proves you don’t understand what you’re talking about at all. there was never a compelling reason to stop masking according to the data. period.
deleted by creator
that’s nice. it’s also tantamount to covid denial, so you can just take it and shove it right back up your ass where it came from.
it’s just that it is still such a small number of cases that it doesn’t matter.
To the best of my knowledge there is no meaningful surveillance in the USA or EU. Some places are still doing wastewater testing but it’s difficult to make solid determinations from wastewater.
deleted by creator
Is there still surveillance in the UK? Afaik Wales is still doing wastewater testing, but I’m not aware of any other systematic surveillance being conducted now.
deleted by creator
If I’m reading that right they did 30k tests and got 6k positives, about 17%. I would consider that enough infection going around to be very concerned. Am I misunderstanding those numbers?
If so, then don’t just look at the positive tests but at the graph that shows tests performed
and patients committed
I “admit” committed is funny because that’s what COVID and all of the “I did my own research” hoopla has made me feel like. That I’ve been committed to an insane asylum with all of the loonies spreading their theories justifying their behavior without impunity thereby making COVID more deadly as it lasts longer given such time to continuously mutate…
deleted by creator
Can you explain the need for hysteria?
No, because if hysteria would be an appropriate response it wouldn’t be hysteria. The good news is: no one is calling for hysteria, there’s just a recommendation to wear masks.
deleted by creator
Unless the strain is killing a sizable amount of people getting it it’ll be hard to get people to wear masks en masse again.
it’s interesting to see how common it is for people in NYC to still wear them sometimes, especially when on the subway (the air is shitty, so it makes sense).
I doubt it will be much of a problem here, except for those who always refused. yeah, it sucks, but it’s a lot better than getting sick— or dying.
I wear one on the subway and it also helps a lot with smells. That “car that smells like shit” is often not noticeable at all.
especially when on the subway (the air is shitty, so it makes sense).
Man, having had easy access to some sort of mask for a long time now, I keep finding little situations where historically I’d be like “man, I wish I didn’t have to breath this shit, it can’t be good for me” where I just don’t breath those things anymore…
I’m trying to think of good examples but the only one that comes to mind is that in the rare instance I need to use bug spray I’m always glad I have a mask I can wear in case it floats my way.
funny you say this… I often think, “have I been breathing this shit this whole time?” when I pull off a mask I’ve been wearing in the subway to wash it, and all this grime washes out
Public spaces often smell reaaal bad when you do have to take your mask off.
what, you don’t like the smell of garbage and rat pee?
tourists… :P
I have wealthy lib family members who live in NYC. One recently asked my spouse, who is an RN regularly exposed to this deadly virus thanks to liberal/fascist anti-maskers, if covid was still a thing.
ugh, hexbear trolls…
I assure you were are unfailingly sincere. If we were trolling there’d be more emojis.
removed by mod
Foul! Implying the presence of a mental illness as an insult. 10 points from Gryffindor!
removed by mod
I’m sorry my alts [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] and [email protected] are misbehaving.
get in
??? someone sharing their personal anecdote with you is trolling? what the fuck is your problem?
removed by mod
I’d say the same but there’s clearly no helping you
says the troll
I’m sorry about my alt’s behavior
At the risk of sounding paranoid, the person you’re talking to shows more indicators of being paid to post than anyone I’ve yet encountered.
At least I hope they are, the alternative is too bleak to contemplate
Got my xibux baby. $3000/month + health care and free kung pao chicken, all for dunking on libs on a tiny website nobody knows about from the comfort of my own home. What’s not to like? “Once we trick the foolish Americans into masking again by posting personal anecdotes on obscure websites…then the dawn of communism will have truly begun!”
deleted by creator
This is not how my alt is supposed to behave, he should know better than to commit fallacies himself.
sorry you need some psychopathic conspiracy theory to justify your existence. but people just hate you
In the borroughs I never see it.
really? I do. Brooklyn and queens, anyway.
The only thing that sticks out to me is scooters running red lights and stop signs all day, but no masks in sight in both Brooklyn and Bronx.
I guess Sunnyside to be specific and Morris Park.
deleted by creator
I keep wearing N95s. Haven’t gotten COVID yet and not feeling like playing the Long COVID roulette. I don’t work 9-5 in an office so I don’t even have to wear a mask for very long periods of time. Buses, stores require it, but there’s plenty to do outside anyway. Patios are fine. Need to take a leak? Put the mask on. No one from my circle has caught it yet. Honestly this protocol isn’t that bad.
deleted by creator
How often are you changing masks? N95s aren’t cheap, I imagine this would get a bit pricy.
You don’t need to change masks after one wear, unless you work in a medical setting.
deleted by creator
In the US they’re a lot cheaper now than they used to be. You can pick up 3M Aurora N95 masks for about $1/ea in store in many areas. Still not nearly as cheap as surgical masks, but also clearly better than surgical masks.
Once you have to start importing them, the price seems to rapidly increase.
I’m mostly using Moldex 2600. I’d use them for a week or two, but I don’t go out every day and I don’t wear them for hours on end. If I were going to the office 9-5 I’d probably change them weekly. They’re very robust and have structural protection in front.
When the strap breaks
You’ll only be getting symbolic protection long before the strap breaks.
It’s not symbolic. It’s less than 95 percent of particles at the threshold size, but dont pretend like it’s the same as nothing.
I mean to say that a second-, third-, or fourth-day N95, snapped strap or no, will no longer be filtering 95% of the particles, giving a false sense of confidence.
Did not mean to say that N95s are just symbolic, but I understand how it could be read that way.
It doesn’t stop working because you wear it. Why should it? Have some masks on rotation and leave the ones you aren’t wearing in the sun or in a UV-C decontamination box.
Masks barely do anything for these flu germs. Wtf this community is on another planet. Stop watching cnn and go outside.
Wear a mask! This round of covid still sucks. Ask me how I know
covid or no covid, its not the worse thing to wear masks and stay safe!
MoSt CuRsEd GeNeRaTiOn Ever
I came here because I was tired of seeing this garbage on reddit all the time. How long are you going to let yourself be scared?
Wear a Mask. Get vaccinated. Stop spreading misinformation
Since the anti-mask/vax comments seem to be flooding in, figured I’d make my opinion known too… as obnoxiously as I can, because apparently that’s how it’s done
surveillance
They keep using that word. I do not think it means what they think it means.
What so they mean by “surveillance” here
Monitoring the transmission of the new variant.
Surveillance is an incredibly important tool in monitoring virus incidence and disease spread. Here is a summary of an article published in the National Library of Medicine that explains it in detail:
“Surveillance is a fundamental tool for public health, producing information to guide actions. Modern surveillance tends to follow health measures such as the incidence of a disease or syndrome or even the occurrence of health-related behaviors. There are many reasons for conducting surveillance, and the data collected and the approach taken to analyzing those data are both influenced by the overall goal of a surveillance system. Surveillance systems aims mainly at detection also provide information that may be useful for other purposes. The goal of detecting an outbreak of a newly emerging virus, places specific demands on the type of data collected and the types of analysis performed. All approaches to surveillance share some common principles. While some of the underlying methods used in public health surveillance have evolved considerably in recent years, the general approach to surveillance has remained relatively constant. At a fundamental level, surveillance aims to (1) identify individual cases, (2) detect population patterns in identified cases, and then (3) convey information to decision-makers about population health patterns.”
Link for those that want a further read: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7114643/
Eh… Nah. I don’t think you’re going to see a lot of mask wearing in the US again. If they want to roll out another vaccine I’ll take it, but the masks are a pain in the ass and no one likes them.
Why are we still talking about Covid? Shouldn’t we all have a good deal of immunity against it?
We dont have immunity, that’s the point. read the article.
With so much vaccination, how does people don’t have immunity yet?
Even if they were not vaccinated for a while, there’s always a percentage of immunity. The virus itself is not that deadly as well.
I know a 25 year old who had a stroke last month because of covid complications. Sure, not deadly but… I don’t want to have a stroke either
Did you read the article?
I did, hence i said:
Even if they were not vaccinated for a while, there’s always a percentage of immunity.
Sorry, but I’m not up to the fearmongering campaigns once again. The first response to Covid was totally out of measure in my opinion and they’re retrying it again.
Bruh.
The curse of successful mitigation is skeptics will then say afterwards that ‘X was no big deal, look how few people died’
Don’t be one of those.
removed by mod
I blame the combination of how over-hyped the (real) issue of Y2K was combined with how successfully we handled it (partly because everyone was so worked up about it) leading to the (common issue for IT professionals) take away of “well nothing went wrong, why did we put all that effort into trying to stop something going wrong?” for no small part of why people weren’t as willing to try to stop/minimise Covid as they otherwise might have been (of course it was always going to be a harder sell as Y2K mostly required from the general public that they don’t have a tantrum about organisations paying professionals to fix the problem directly whereas Covid required the general public to follow the advice of the professionals in taking action in their own lives.)
What? 7 million people died from COVID-19. How many more would it have been without all the safety measures?
Doing nothing was too much for you?
Death is not the only negative outcome from Covid infection. When you consider the literature on Covid causing grey matter loss, prion disease, chronic vasculitis, cardiac disease, autoimmune disease, etc, you could argue death is actually one of the preferred outcomes.
Immunity isn’t an on/off switch and the virus is mutating to escape immune detection. It seems like you do not have a solid grasp on the kinetics of vaccine and viral immunity, is there a question I can answer for you or would you like some resources that might help improve your comprehension?
prion disease,
Jesus. Please tell me that’s an extremely rare result. Because that is genuinely fucking terrifying.
Yeah it’s fully terrifying.
I’m extra freaked that now Covid is endemic in the deer populations because Cervid Wasting Disease is also endemic and I’m afraid they will interact somehow…
Jesus fuck. : |
I could have gone the rest of my life without knowing that.
The first response to Covid was totally out of measure in my opinion
Inconveniencing boomers consuming their sit-in restaurant treats until they started blockading hospitals and breaking into government buildings until those inconveniences were rolled back was “out of measure?”
I haven’t been around Lemmy for a few weeks and today is my first time seeing anyone from the Hexbear instance. I like you people.
We all knew you had already drawn your conclusion that this was “fearmongering” before seeing any facts.
No one is going to logic you out of a position you didn’t use logic to get into in the first place.
That’s not how any of the COVID vaccines were reported to work. No such thing as total immunity.
The virus is deadly depending on what conditions are met (underlying risk factors, etc.). Not all of those conditions are obvious or well-studied, so it always seemed to me like a lottery who gets killed by the virus.
Furthermore, I don’t believe the article is fearmongering. As I said in a separate comment, it’s more like “hey, there might be a bit of an outbreak in some places this flu season, so keep some N95s on hand just in case numbers go up.” I HIGHLY doubt we would see another shutdown.Because immunity varies by disease.
Chicken pox? Pretty much one and done. COVID? Falls off rapidly after 3 months, whether you catch it or get the vaccine
Plus, every mutation is a dice roll on how much existing immunity will apply. It could be exactly the same as the last strain, or the old immunity might not help at all
You could try reading the article instead of spouting nonsense.
It isn’t as bad as 2020, but it isn’t as harmless as the flu. There are still going to be public health concerns.
deleted by creator
covid exposure exacerbates my disability. my immune system freaks out and gives me months of debilitating migraines - it’s had me more or less stuck in bed for 6 months at this point. another exposure would cost me my wfh job. and that’s without infection - just exposure. pretending covid is over throws people like me under the bus.
deleted by creator
It’s a symptom that old media is dying fast.
deleted by creator
Exactly. Old media died years ago. Welcome to new media where the news isn’t real and the only thing that matters is clicks
Did you just wake up from a coma?
You seem anti-capitalist. Yet hear you are repeating far-right talking points.
deleted by creator
To answer your question, while you didn’t say it outright, your response makes a likely inference to be that you believe COVID reporting was overblown to generate revenue.
That is the far-right taking point they are most likely referring to.
The number of hospitalizations and deaths is a statistic that was tracked and the far-right lead a campaign to discredit those statistics. Later, the far-right lead a campaign to say that vaccination should have resulted in full immunity, which it was never reported to do, in an effort to discredit scientists and make their followers feel validated in their decision to not vaccinate.
I don’t believe that reporting about the pandemic was overblown at the time that the pandemic was a public health crisis, actually I believe it was underreported, quite significantly.
However, I believe that the combination of the huge uncertainty, people desperately trying to keep up to date, people being off work or working from home, the huge amount of conversation around COVID news stories, etc. that the news websites got an unprecedented amount of traffic, clicks and revenue, and since that has tapered off, they’re basically like an addict desperate for a fix. They’ll present any minor COVID news, no matter how inconsequential, as a far bigger issue than it really is.
I don’t really believe that COVID will make a resurgence, but if it does, I’ll be there encouraging people to wear a mask. But I’m not gonna freak out and declare a state of emergency because a researcher tweeted some toilet thought.
I think because you seem to be agreeing with the poster who is against masking? But I’m not sure because his post is removed now.
When you said
Because it generates clicks (and thus revenue) for media conglomerates.
What generates clicks?
I’m just asking because the post you were responding to got removed so I’m missing context
deleted by creator
Thanks for the explanation. I responded to you in another comment thread about this stuff so I won’t respond again here.
The pushback against the perfectly sensible responses to the pandemic was orchestrated by far-right political entities as a way to rally their supporters against “the oppressive left-wing/liberal agenda to control and exploit you!”.
