• @Shizrak@sh.itjust.works
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      27 months ago

      When we have protests large enough to get noticed, we get attacked by the police. Why should the protesters have to suffer? Make the oppressors suffer instead.

    • granolabar
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      Protests within US are limited to major cities otherwise logistics are fucked due to suburb lay out of the most of the country.

      Also, most of are just too docile, it ain’t an issue I til they personally get fucked.

      • @Crikeste@lemm.ee
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        97 months ago

        That’s their point: America never does anything. People love to act like they stand for something, but cower at the slightest consequence or inconvenience.

        • @Shizrak@sh.itjust.works
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          37 months ago

          Last time we had a major protest in the city of Chicago, 24 people died. That’s a little more than “the slightest consequence or inconvenience”

          Luigi’s protest was way more efficient. Only one person has died.

          • granolabar
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            And the weirdly most people under 40 are in clear alignment for weeks now lol

        • @Auli@lemmy.ca
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          17 months ago

          Yes but they need all those guns if the government oversteps. Well corporations have overstepped and been stealing our money for decades and nothing happens. By dteeling I mean our wages are stagnent but c suite have increased immensely.

    • Maiq
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      147 months ago

      We have the Russian “and then it got worse” do nothing attitude. We aren’t even gonna try to do anything till its far too late.

    • @JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee
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      37 months ago

      We would, but most of us are too unhealthy from lack of access to affordable healthcare and can lose our jobs if we try to take time off work.

      Tinfoil hat time. Our government fucking hates our asses. Lower class? Get shot, die from preventable diseases, whatever, just do it quietly so it doesn’t bother the wealthy while they grease each other’s palms.

  • @MerrySkeptic@sh.itjust.works
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    97 months ago

    Yes there are double standards but this is the wrong comparison to make that point.

    Most school shooters are minors who are inelligible for the death penalty, and a large percentage don’t survive their own shooting. Either death by cop or suicide.

    I have no love for insurance CEOs or our capital-first justice system, but if you’re gonna make a point don’t leave it open to be so easily picked apart.

  • ObjectivityIncarnate
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    37 months ago

    Doesn’t make sense to compare a rate of an outcome (without even knowing how often that outcome was sought) with an individual attempt whose outcome is not even known yet.

    When Mangione IS actually given the death penalty, this ‘argument’ will actually amount to something. Dumb until then.

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    We’re just going to ignore that school shooters are generally minors and thus not treated the same as adults? Okay then.

  • Karyoplasma
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    My personal tinfoil hat is that they are seeking the death penalty so he accepts a deal. They are scared of jury nullification.

    • @Maggoty@lemmy.world
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      37 months ago

      That’s normal though. I mean it shouldn’t be, but they always go as hard as they can hoping you’ll plead guilty to avoid a trial. When they say the death penalty is meant to dissuade criminals, they know it doesn’t work on crimes. It works on getting guilty pleas.

    • @zarkanian@sh.itjust.works
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      407 months ago

      That isn’t tinfoil-hat at all. I was reading a news story recently about how worried they are that they’ll have trouble finding impartial jurors, since there’s so much sympathy for him.

      • @SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world
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        87 months ago

        How exactly does this work? How do they determine someone to be impartial? If they weed out people for having sympathy but keep people who don’t, aren’t they making that jury partial to finding him guilty?

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          The jury is supposed to be unbiased, i.e. not favoring one side or the other. Obviously, it’s impossible to get a jury that’s completely impartial, especially in a case that’s as high-profile as this one, but they have to try.

          They ask the jurors questions and then each side has the opportunity to remove ones that they deem problematic.

    • @wolfpack86@lemmy.world
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      17 months ago

      They haven’t said they are seeking the death penalty. They have charged him with a crime where they could seek it.

      But I agree they’re pushing for a deal.

  • @Hlodwig@lemmy.world
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    37 months ago

    FFS, it’s not even him, people need to stop accepting he is the killer. He is not, news made sure that pics from the killing footage were buried so people would forgot them, because when you compare them with Luigi, its obviously NOT him… And there is no doubt here, killer is smaller, whiter (like Irish white), slim eyebrows, and less muscle body shape than Luigi.

    Why do people try to make him a martyr, when it is not even the killer.

  • The Yungest Onion
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    Because it’s about sending a message. They’ve seen how popular this guy and his actions have become and are trying to throw everything at him so it puts off any copycats.

      • @Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
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        387 months ago

        Death penalty increases violence because murdering the person catching you becomes a way to increase your likelihood of surviving.

        • @Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          247 months ago

          So basically, killing Luigi would not make copycats less likely, but it WOULD make it more likely for copycats to shoot CEOs AND cops?

          Hmm… The killing of Luigi itself would be awful, of course, but the consequences of it sound like a win to me 🤔

          • @wolfpack86@lemmy.world
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            17 months ago

            No, the death penalty increasing violence is about incentives.

            If I shoot someone dead and you are the only witness, I have a choice to make. If I do not want to be executed, killing you is the best chance for escaping punishment.

            The more severe the punishment the more desperate one will become to avoid it.

          • @jaybone@lemmy.world
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            27 months ago

            That would make him a martyr. I’m thinking the plan is to lock him up in max for life, then control the media narrative whenever his name comes up again.

            • granolabar
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              Everyone who saw how this thing went down gonna have to spend their lives correcting false narratives they will weave.

              We didn’t do know for snowden, public opinion got split altht funny enough it seems people have came around on Snowden.

              Either way, luigi did not do anything wrong

    • @Kalysta@lemm.ee
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      67 months ago

      Except all they have done is make him a martyr, and now anyone who wants to be infamous is more likely to do something.

    • @Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world
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      27 months ago

      The death penalty has not been executed in NY/federal court for decades right? Doesn’t seem like an actual threat. What they want to achieve is a good negotiating position for a plea bargain because they known a trial will be a shitshow.

  • marighost
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    67 months ago

    New York doesn’t have the death penalty though?

    • @WoodScientist@lemmy.world
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      The feds also indicted him. There’s zero chance a Trump AG isn’t going to be pushing for the death penalty. What they cannot seem to understand is that this will only make him a martyr. They should have just given him the standard NY Murder II conviction any other killer would get, but they just couldn’t help themselves. They had to really send a message to the proles.

      All they will succeed in doing is elevating him to outright sainthood.

      • granolabar
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        They had to really send a message to the proles.

        They did, just not what they expected?

        Am I supposed to fear feds because I think Luigi if he did it, did nothing wrong?

        Or I suppose to fear them if I am gonna dpa. Copycat… I am pretty sure that guy would want luigi treatment… Kill me goverment while the working class talking about the topic I brought to the national level discussion.

        Also, I am not sure what’s up with the pictures. But luigis body language is of a man who is in control.

        They are the ones getting bent out of shape.

        Single payer or bust. The working class will need to get this done either now or in 25 years.

  • @gibmiser@lemmy.world
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    367 months ago

    I do believe it would be a tactical error on their part to give him the death penalty… make a real martyr

  • @WoodScientist@lemmy.world
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    The state of New York is about to get a firsthand lesson in the Streisand Effect. They should have just charged him the same charge any normal killer would get - Second Degree Murder, which is the normal charge for premeditated murder in NY. First degree requires rare special circumstances, and the prosecutor chose to use a dubious “terrorism” modifier to up the charge to Murder 1. They just couldn’t help themselves, and they shot themselves in the foot.

    The advantage to the prosecution to a simple Murder 2 charge is that motive really doesn’t matter much. They just have to prove that Luigi pulled the trigger. But with the terrorism modifier, the trial will no devolve into lengthy discussions about his motives and message. Not only have they now given him the world’s largest soapbox, but this will also give the defense an opportunity to make him much more sympathetic to the jury. With only a Murder 2 charge, the defense lawyer would have had to fight hard to sneak subtle hints into trial about Luigi’s motives. Now his motives will be a core part of the prosecution’s case.

    With a simple Murder 2 trial, even jurors who thought Thompson got what he deserved could vote to convict based simply on the letter of the law. Luigi killed an evil man, but he still has to face the consequences like any other criminal. Now the jury will clearly see that the system isn’t treating him like any other criminal. The prosecutors, through their own actions, are making Luigi’s case for him - the justice system is completely rigged in favor of the rich and powerful, and the only way they can ever be held accountable is through violence.

    All it takes is one juror of twelve to look around at the situation and say, “this is bullshit. I’m not going to convict.” Sure, they can try him again with a new jury if he’s not found unanimously not-guilty, but that jury will have an even greater risk of jury nullification. The longer this goes on, the more likely the prosecutor just has to offer him some sweetheart plea deal just to get him convicted of something. And each trial just elevates Mangione that much closer to literal Sainthood in the popular imagination.

  • granolabar
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    I love bow this meme gets fact checked and the thesis get tighter.

    Brian Thompson is a parasite, no empathy for them

  • @Omgboom@lemmy.zip
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    27 months ago

    This you shall offer in the morning and this you shall offer at twilight, a lamb without blemish.