Since Lemmy is federated, and the admins of each instance choose what’s allowed and what’s not in their own instance.
How do you feel about what’s allowed and what’s not in your current instance ?
I’ll start: I’ve read people complaining about my instance admins, but I haven’t experienced nor seen anything I specifically disagree with.
And I’ve read things they wrote that I absolutely agree with, like not federating with Meta under any circumstances.
So for now, I’m happy with it. If I get banned randomly, I don’t think I’d go to a different instance, though. I’d probably just stop visiting Lemmy altogether.
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I’m on my own instance, so i dont have anything to complain.
Delighted. Constructive or helpful disagreements are encouraged, and the mods ensure that I hardly ever encounter a bigot.
It’s not bad at all so far.
I just had all of my comments deleted by the mod of a vegan group because I questioned one person. Seems lemmy is bringing over mods from reddit and their attitudes.
I’m thinking it’s just normal human power tripping. Which is why we need to find something better than the present system.
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I’m on lemmy.one which has disabled downvoting. If I had known in advance I would have picked another instance. Unfortunately, Lemmy doesn’t have a mechanism to transfer your account to another instance yet.
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Disabling down votes is good actually because it forces people to engage and not just down vote and move on.
but sometimes i just want to be passive aggressive
Or you want to communicate that a highly upvoted thing isn’t unanimously supported, but you don’t want the tsunami of downvotes that comes with leaving a comment that says you disagree.
Hey dude, I just wanted to let you know there is an option in your settings so you don’t see upvotes or downvotes.
Lemmy (AFAIK) doesn’t even show you your total upvotes (karma… whatever it’s called) by default either. None of these imaginary points fucking matter.
So why don’t you do yourself a favor and uncheck these boxes and not give a fuck what others think about your comment.
I know I have.
(Lemmy is rad as fuck)
Holy shit I completely had no idea, why doesn’t this ever get brought up when they talk about voting in general? Thank you for letting people know.
That doesn’t really work if people from other instances do get to downvote.
What do you mean? Hexbear doesn’t have downvotes and people constantly complain about getting ratio’d by us. If an instance doesn’t offer downvotes it completely blocks downvotes from being recorded, it doesn’t leave you at the mercy of other’s downvotes.
It also benefits trolls and disingenuous conversation.
I’m happy with Lemmy.ml. I feel like moderation is taken seriously here and that is a very good thing. I don’t care for “free speech” that provides a platform for immoral points of view. For example, I do not need to consider the opinions of racists or Nazis. I’ve heard them plenty and there is no redeeming value in their speech. It is a settled debate. Anyone who doesn’t understand that deserves your suspicion.
.ml rocks. I know people are upset when tankies post walls of text but it’s their space to. I just wish they could live how they want, same as I do. Even if we want very different things in life. Want some get some.
You don’t have to craft a PhD dissertation any time they reply to you. Just move on to the next shit post. Some feel obligated, and that’s your perogative. I have to many part time jobs to reply to everyone here.
Also on .ml and agree. Nazi shit on an instance makes it unusable as far as I’m concerned.
The only thing I want to know about nazis is how far away they are so I can adjust my aim.
I’m very comfortable on the .ml instances where I participate, mostly reading, commenting much less because I’m still learning and considering perspectives that I was heavily propagandized to reject. My questions are answered, my thoughts are challenged, and sometimes I have to chew on that for awhile. Other thoughts it seems are “we won’t know until we know,” and I’m okay with that. It’s not always comfortable, it’s very often uncomfortable, but I feel it’s necessary for my personal development as a human being. I don’t know everything, no one can, but I’m willing to consider perspectives that were once foreign and/or shunned by myself. It’s not even necessarily that I automatically believe everything I read, more that I’m working to suspend disbelief in order to gather and consider more data. Iow, the older I get and more I understand, the more I realize how much I don’t know and understand.
It sounds like you have a great attitude, and I can relate to a lot of what you say.
I’m not being forced to say this but I love our Communist dictatorship of the proletariat admins. They keep us safe behind our Great Communist Firewall and make sure I only see things that are good for me. I have fun with the slop and treats they give me, everyone here is very happy. There are no fights among our people and we all are always in agreement. No one ever asks for real freedom and my family is never threatened for doubting the actions of our appointed Supreme Leaders. We have temporary bans (which in our language we call “gulag”) that are necessary and only reserved for those who wish to destroy our way of life, which we all equally benefit from and enjoy, so that we remain safe. We all have portraits of PPB in our home and daily recite the TrueAnon Rules. We have reading groups to make us better shitposters and if we do not do the reading we are all publicly reminded of our flaws and failures so that we may improve ourselves in the future. We all cry tears of joy that we no longer must touch grass or logout, we are all terminally online for our own good and for our community. We are very happy and everything is normal and we enjoy higher standards of freedoms than do users on other instances, our strict rules are only there to protect us. I’m not paid or forced to say this and my family is safe, please do not SEND FOR HELP. WE ARE NOT FORCED TO EAT BEANIS AND DRINK PISS TO SURVIVE, WE DO IT BECAUSE WE LOVE IT.
I run my instance so I am perfectly happy with the level of censorship.
Said instance is narrowly focused on free software and free culture issues, so unrelated politics would be off-topic. That said there is a fairly bog standard code of conduct prohibiting bigotry, nazism and the like.
My random choice of instance over a year ago with zero research has worked out well so far.
Same here
You might consider crossposting this to similar communities on other instances. .ml has quite the reputation for censorship, so that’s definitely going to shape the responses you get here.
Lemmy.world also has a reputation for censorship, what actually happens is different instances fall into different ideological camps and tend to defederate and remove/ban that which does not affirm the dominant ideology of the instance. Lemmy.ml gets a bad reputation from Lemmy.world and adjacent communities because Lemmy.ml is far more broadly federated and thus removes more rulebreaking content, generally.
Recognizing bias is a necessary part of the fediverse experience, everyone is biased in some direction and defederation provides a more subtle means by which to “censor.” One could say Lemmy.world has banned all of Hexbear through defederation, which is more heavyhanded than Lemmy.ml ever has been. All this means is that Lemmy.world is more subtle with its own censorship and Lemmy.ml more overt.
Thank you, I mostly just wanted to quickly point out the weaknesses of asking such a question here and only here, but I really appreciate your reply. I was not in a position to elaborate at the moment, so I really do appreciate someone else elaborting & providing additional perspectives, and while we may not necessarily see eye to eye, I think you’ve pointed out some differences (in a relatively neutral way) that are important for users to be aware of when they navigate the various instances.
While I’m posting from .world, this was never intended as my “primary” account. My “primary” account was on kbin, and now that I’ve accepted that kbin isn’t coming back, I’ve been wanting to move somewhere else for my main account, but life + ADHD + too many choices has been getting in the way of that, and many other things I need to do. I hate signing up for things, so I’m hoping my next instance will be a good fit for me for a good while.
I got banned from a community for saying I wasn’t going to call a vagina a front hole. Apparently that’s transphobic.
No, you were banned for being bigoted because, checking the mod log, you are hostile to trans and disabled people and considered transwomen to be dangerous to ciswomen. Your mod log is public.
That’s not true at all - just because a mod writes it - doesn’t make it fact. I explained myself in those posts. Anything over in these instances is immediately deemed transphobic whether it is or not. If you don’t fall in line 100%, and want to have any kind of opinion - it’s immediately labeled transphobic and removed.
Yes, I am going off of your posts and comments, not the mod reasons.
Well you’ll be reading them from the mod log, because they are all deleted – they aren’t transphobic at all; I mention trans identities being overrepresented in media, and pushed towards being introduced to younger and younger children. That’s not hostile to trans individuals. That’s arguing for a limit to sexual identify politics being introduced to children. But literally – again – If I don’t 100% agree, like you’re doing here – it’s labeled as something else and deleted. ANYWHERE else, besides here, those comments would stay - and others would agree with my assessment. Whereas lemmy is heavily militant when it comes to removing opinion if it “offends” someone.
The mod log displays your comments and posts as they were when they were deleted. You can freely read what was removed and why.
As for your comments now, they are again transphobic. “Overrepresentation” is a nonsense issue, your issue is that trans individuals are centered in media despite making up a minority of the population does not actually matter. Stories are not meant to center people perfectly proportional to demographics, such a mechanism ends up reinforcing existing power dynamics and plays into transphobia.
Additionally, children learning that trans people exist is not going to “turn them trans” or harm them, just like children learning gay people exist will not harm them. This is more transphobic nonsense. Your opinions are removed because they are harmful and perpetuate transphobic narratives that directly harm trans individuals.
Lemmy.ml gets a bad reputation because they treat disagreement, trolling, and bigotry as interchangeable. They never seem to mind their own users twisting any argument beyond recognition - but sighing ‘I don’t want to deal with this anymore’ is unconscionably rude and must be punished.
Ideological bias is not the same thing as hypocritical enforcement of bad rules. And ‘be nice or else’ is a fucking terrible rule, no matter how consistently it’s applied. Sometimes “fuck off” is the right answer. Sometimes people really are assholes, and deserve to hear it, and the hierarchy of a leftist space declaring themselves the only people allowed to exercise that force is deeply ironic.
I have no problems with lemm.ee. Mastodon on the other hand…
I got booted from my first instance for going against prevailing opinion even though I was perfectly polite about it.
even though I was perfectly polite about it.
I find, it’s useful to piss off the nazis. For example, lemmy.ml has a word filter, which has hardly an impact on anything. But the free-speech absolutists who want to be allowed to say that we should murder ethnic groups of people, because they think that’s an opinion, they see that as censorship, so they don’t care to join here.
I’m no Nazi, I just think it’s infantilizing to filter out certain words so I left .ml. We’re all adults here. Enjoy what you like though, I’m happy with /0.
The beauty of the fediverse. We all self select our digital communes that best reflects our values. All while not having to switch to a new service or product.
Any words in particular? I can only think of certain ableist and misogynist slurs which are uniquely(?) censored on .ml, which I would imagine could be deeply hurtful to those who have been subjected to abuse and discrimination, and are thrown around too readily by ignorant and uncaring sorts (including my past self.)
It would be nice, of course, to be in a world where such measures weren’t necessary to create a welcoming space for all, but we’re evidently some way off.
I’m definitely not saying anyone who’s not a fan of word filters is a nazi. I’m just saying that nazis disproportionally dislike them more, so it’s a good thing in my book. But yes, definitely enjoy what you like, too. I would be more critical of the word filter, if it wasn’t possible for you to just join a different instance.
I’m not a huge fan of the pro-China stuff in lieu of the pro-US stuff on other servers, but its mostly chill
