One of the leading sources of enshitification.
At this point, I’m full on ready to make “though shall not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind” global international law and a religious commandment. At least that way, we can burn all AI grifters as witches!
Please tell this my simulation group members. I told them, but they won’t listen.
It’s the fucking touch screens again.
Do you remember the original touch screens? They were pressure based and suuuuuuuuucked.
Not as bad as the IR touch screens. They had a IR field protected just above the surface of the screen that would be broken by your finger, such would register a touch at that location.
Or a fly landing on your screen and walking a few steps could drag a file into the recycle bin.
Speaking from experience?
Not that specific one, but I did have a fly fuck up a selection in photoshop a few times before I just unplugged the USB connection to the monitor.
CEOs get FOMO. They can get funding for their companies if they share “new, exciting innovations” for their products and AI is that - even if it’s forcefeed in fit.
All this needs to be a shit post is an AI watermark
they don’t care. you’re not the audience. the tech industry lives on hype. now it’s ai because before that they did it with nft and that failed. and crypto failed. tech needs a grift going to keep investors investing. when the bubble bursts again they’ll come up with some other bullshit grift because making useful things is hard work.
Yup, you can see it in talks on annual tech conferences. Last year it was APIs, this year it’s all AI. They’ll just move on to the next trendy thing next year.
Last year it was APIs
Hahaha the inane shit you can read on this website
Have you been to any appsec conferences last year? It was all API security. This year it was all AI-leveraged CI/CD, code/vulnerability review, etc.
To be fair, APIs have been around since the 70s,and are not trendy, they’re just required to have a common interface for applications to request and perform actions with each other.
But yeah, AI is mostly trendy bullshit
I was referring mostly about security conferences. Last year almost every vendor was selling API security products. Now it’s all AI infused products.
I was ok with crypto and nft because it was up to me to decide if I want to get involved in it or not.
AI does seem to have impact at jobs, at least employers are trying to use it and see if it actually will allow them to hire less staff, I see that for SWE. I don’t think AI will do much there though.
it’s not up to you, it just failed before it could be implemented. many publishers already commit to in-game nfts before they had to back down because it fell apart too quickly (and some still haven’t). if it held on for just a couple more years there wouldn’t be a single aaa title that doesn’t have nfts today.
crypto was more complicated because unlike these two you can’t just add it and say “here, this is all crypto now” because it requires prior commitment and it’s way too complicated for the average person. plus it doesn’t have much benefit: people already give you money and buy fake coins anyway.
I’m giving examples from games because it’s the most exploitative market but these would also seep into other apps and services if not for the hurdles and failures. so now we’re stuck with this. everyone’s doing it because it’s a gold rush except instead of gold it’s literal shit, and instead of a rush it’s literal shit.
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… and just today I realized I had to switch back to Google assistant because literally the only thing gemini can do is talk back to me, but it can’t do anything useful, including the simplest shit like converting currency.
“I’m sorry, I’m still learning” – why, bitch? why don’t you already know this? what good are you if I ask you to do something for convenience and instead you tell me to do it manually and start explaining how I can do the most basic shit that you can’t do as if I’m the fucking idiot.
Nft didn’t fail, it was just the idiotic selling of jogs for obscene amounts that crashed (most of that was likely money laundering anyway). The tech still has a use.
Wouldn’t exactly call crypto a failure, either, when we’re in the midst of another bull run.
when we’re in the midst of another bull run.
Oh, that’s nice. So, who’s money are you rug pulling?
Words have meaning, let’s use them properly, okay?
Somebody has to hold the bag. I don’t think this is functionally different.
Was shopping for a laundry machine for my parents and LG, I shit you not, has an AI laundry machine now. I just can’t even
My parents got a new washer and dryer and they are wifi enabled. Why tf do they need to be wifi enabled? It won’t move the laundry from the washer to the dryer, so it’s not like you can set the laundry and then go about your errands and come home to dry clothes ready to be folded
Honestly I find this feature of my washer/dryer super-useful because it reminds me to turn the stuff over instead of forgetting and letting it sit in the washer getting midlewy
A notification that your load is done is actually convenient. It’s typically also paired with some sensors that can let you know if you need more detergent or to run a cleaning cycle on the washer.
Mine also lets you set the wash parameters via the app if you want, which is helpful for people who benefit from the accessibility features of the phone. Difficult to adjust the font size or contrast on a washing machine, or hear it’s chime if you have hearing problems.Actually this one is sensible.
In the near future as more renewable energy is included in power grids the price of power will fluctuate depending on the weather.
The WiFi connection will allow you to configure your washing to be done when pricing reaches whatever point.
Ah yes, please fire up the washing machine at 3am and scare the fuck out of everybody. And then let the clothes sit in there wet so that when you wake up, they smell like mildew
Everything else aside, you need to clean your washing machine. Cloths shouldn’t be smelling like mildew after less than a day in it.
Modern washing machines are also pretty quiet.
Everything else aside, you need to clean your washing machine. Cloths shouldn’t be smelling like mildew after less than a day in it.
A bit of exaggeration to make a point. :)
Modern washing machines are also pretty quiet.
Not when they’re a room away from the master bedroom. Having it start up in the middle of the night would be either annoying, terrifying, or both.
Fair enough. You’d be surprised how many people don’t know you need clean them occasionally and think it’s normal for stuff to go terribly wrong really quickly. :)
I got a new washer relatively recently and it’s quiet enough that it’s not really audible from the next room unless you tell it to do a really aggressive spin cycle with a big load.
In any case, I think the point of the timed wash features are to make it so your laundry finishes Right when you get home rather than overnight.
Like others mentioned this one actually makes sense. Letting you know your washing is done so you can move it to the drier and letting you know its dry already so you can fold it is actually super helpful. I studied at an uni that had a connected laundry room so I didnt have to go all the way there to check if the machine was done with my laundry.
It already sings a song for 30 seconds when the load is done. I understand a notification at a laundromat, but what good is that really in your home?
Some people have their laundry machines far away, some people wear headphones while waiting, there are many reasons a notification helps
It’s probably just a sticker they put over the word “smart”
I mean, they have Alexa connected refrigerators with a camera inside the fridge that sees what you put in it and how much, to either let you know when you’re running low on something or ask to put in an order for more of that item before you run out, or tell you if something in there is about to spoil, or if the fridge needs cleaned, so I imagine a washer would do something similar?
The reassuring thing is that AI actually makes sense in a washing machine. Generative AI doesn’t, but that’s not what they use. AI includes learning models of different sorts. Rolling the drum a few times to get a feel for weight, and using a light sensor to check water clarity after the first time water is added lets it go “that’s a decent amount of not super dirty clothes, so I need to add more water, a little less soap, and a longer spin cycle”.
They’re definitely jumping on the marketing train, but problems like that do fall under AI.
The thing is, we’ve had that sort of capability for a long time now, we called them algorithms. Rebranding it as ai is pure marketing bullshit
Well that’s sort of my point. It’s an algorithm, or set of techniques for making one, that’s been around since the 50s. Being around for a long time doesn’t make it not part of the field of AI.
The field of AI has a long history of the fruits of their research being called “not AI” as soon as it finds practical applications.
The system is taking measurements of its problem area. It’s then altering its behavior to produce a more optimal result given those measurements. That’s what intelligence is. It’s far from the most clever intelligence, and it doesn’t engage in reason or have the ability to learn.
In the last iteration of the AI marketing cycle companies explicitly stopped calling things AI even when it was. Much like how in the next 5-10 years or so we won’t label anything from this generation “AI”, even if something is explicitly using the techniques in a manner that makes sense.
Respectfully, there’s no universe in which any type of AI could possibly benefit a load of laundry in any way. I genuinely pity anyone who falls for such a ridiculous and obvious scam
You can’t see a benefit to a washing machine that can wash clothes without you needing to figure out how much soap to add or how many rinse cycles it needs?
I genuinely pity anyone so influenced by marketing that they can’t look at what a feature actually does before deciding they hate it.
Those features are literally unrelated to AI, just so you know. It’s comparing sensor outputs to a table. Like all modern laundry machines. The inclusion of “AI” on the label is purely to take advantage of people like you who instantly believe whatever they’re told, even of it’s as outlandish as “your laundry has been optimized” lol
Yeah, I know how it works, and I also know how different types of AI work.
It’s a field from the 50s concerned with making systems that perceive their environment and change how they execute their tasks based on those perceptions to maximize the fulfillment of their task.
Yes, all modern laundry machines utilize AI techniques involving interpolation of sensor readings into a lookup table to pick wash parameters more intelligently.
You’ve let sci-fi notions of what AI is get you mad at a marketing department for realizing that we’re back to being able to label AI stuff correctly.
The fact that you’ve been reduced to blabbering about such mundane things in the style of “the ghosts in pac-man technically had AI” tells us everything we need to know here. Have fun arguing with me in the shower about whether or not current trends are just a result of marketing executives finally being liberated to appropriately label the AI they’ve been using for 70 years
Cool story bro. Keep being angry about the meaning of words I guess, if it makes you happy.
I love these technical discussions. Just kicking each other in the nuts over and over.
I would say that when the intelligent washing machine has access to sensors (weight, hardness of water, types of laundry detergents) and actuators (releasing the right amount of detergents, water, spin to the barrel) it could make an optimal washing of laundry.
No, it couldn’t. That’s pure tech bro logic without any basis whatsoever in reality.
The machines already have these sensors. There’s simply nothing for “intelligence” to contribute to the process. It’s not enough for you to point to the presence of various sensors and claim it could do something with them when in reality this is already a solved problem. Additionally, the hypothetical AI-equipped machine itself will also be worse, using significantly more energy and being less reliable.
I say hypothetical, because the specific LG machine we’re talking about doesn’t even actually have any AI component. Yes I am aware of the difference between generative and analytical models; it has neither. Just normal sensors and algorithms that all modern washing machines have had for years. They threw the “AI” language on it to market it to people. You know, like a scam. Because the delightful thing about “AI” is you don’t need to provide any benefit to your marks, their imagination will do the work for you
so that specific LG machine can detect the water hardness, what fabrics are used in the clothes it should launder, what detergents are available?
Do you have an example of an AI system being deployed to do these things or is it, as I said, pure hypothetical tech bro logic?
But yeah it basically squirts some water in at the top, then analyzes the water that reaches the bottom (and how much) to infer the fabric types. That same information is then considered when dispensing detergent and fabric softener. Simple sensors and tables
that’s pretty cool then.
I love it when people angrily declare that something AI researchers figured out in the 60s can’t be AI because it involves algorithms.
Using an algorithm to take a set of continuous input variables and map them to a set of continuous output variables in a way that maximizes result quality is an AI algorithm, even if it’s using a precomputed lookup table.
AI has been a field since the 1950s. Not every technique for measuring the environment and acting on it needs to be some advanced deep learning model for it to be a product of AI research.
Then they may as well say they did it “with computers.”
Oh, but that’s not sexy, is it.I mean, no, it isn’t. It is a marketing decision after all.
That doesn’t mean that type of thing isn’t the product of AI research.
I would counter that non-optimal washing by doing what I ask via primitive buttons and dials is perfectly acceptable, and actually preferable
That’s a different argument entirely from “no possible benefit”, though
Good for you. You might also be interested in this tool called a “washtub” that lets you do everything exactly how you want, without needing to trust a computer to interpret the positions of fancy dials and figure out how much to agitate your socks.
No, problems like “how dirty is this water” do not fall under AI. It’s a pretty simple variable of the type software has been dealing with since forever.
Wouldn’t you know, AI has also been algorithmically based and around since the 1950s?
AI as a field isn’t just neural networks and GPUs invented in the last decade. It includes a lot of stuff we now consider pretty commonplace.
Using some simple variables to measure a few continuous values to make decisions about soap quantity, water to dispense, and the number of rinse cycles is pretty much a text book example of classical AI. Environmental perception and changing actions to maximize the quality of its task outcome.
I was trying to take a photo of piece of jewellery in my hand tonight and accidentally activated my phone’s AI. It threw up a big Paperclip-type message, “How can I help you?” I muttered “fuck off” as I stabbed at the back button. “I’m sorry you feel that way!” it said.
Yeah, I hate it. At least Paperclip didn’t give snark.
But the poor shareholders!
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but we aren’t any closer to agi than we were in the 50’s. $100 billion in revenue for openai won’t be any closer to agi either.
The Imperium of Man got this right.
But the companies must posture that their on the cutting edge! Even if they only put the letters “AI” on the box of a rice cooker without changing the rice cooker
When it comes to the marketing teams in such companies, I wonder what the ratio is between true believers and "this is stupid but if it spikes the numbers next quarter that will benefit me.”
I think I see people complaining about ai more than I see ai actually in anything other than promo material.
Complaining over nothing.
Get fukken ratio’d about it lmao
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What is making you interact with any of these things enough that it bothers you this much? Do you personally experience this every day or are you just mad about something someone posted online?
Most, if not all, of your examples can be ignored or disabled, already existed but were rebranded as AI©®™, or are seriously so inconsequential that wasting your time caring about it is just silly.
Don’t fall for the ragebait and confirmation bias posts.
Yeah, it’s a lot like piss in a river. I just drink around the piss.
- It’s in DuckDuckGo
- It’s in Google search
- It pops up on tons of websites as a chat bot
- It’s crowbarred into Windows now
- It’s Apple Intelligence which is baked into iOS 18 (disabling it gave me 20-25% of my battery back)
- It’s in Arc browser (easily disabled)
If you’re able to avoid it altogether and not be forced to constantly disable it everywhere, I commend whatever you’re doing. I see it scattered everywhere and I consider myself a niche user that runs their own Lemmy instance and doesn’t actively use any of the big social networks.
People are complaining because it’s permeating everything while offering little to no value to the end user. The massive divide has arrived where the value to the shareholders is all that matters, and the tech companies doing it aren’t even remotely thinking about the user experience or benefit. I’ve been a dev in tech for 18+ years and I’ve never seen the field this desperate and stagnant when it comes to good ideas.
There’s also the fact that it’s being used to replace artists and it’s basically a massive plagiarism machine. OpenAI tried to claim that their AI is the equivalent of a learning human, but actual learning humans aren’t trying to convert every single thought and interaction into billions of dollars worth of profit for corporations.
Maybe I am just good at ignoring it. I don’t use a whole lot of mainstream websites or, like you, big social media. I think people are just disproportionately annoyed by things they don’t have to use.
Chatbots aren’t anything new, if anything them being slightly better isn’t really a bad thing.
I think windows mentioned
cortanacopilot being there but I use openshell and outside of the day I installed windows 11, it hasn’t even mentioned it. Am I just not being targeted for ads for it? Literally not once has windows shoved it in my face but people complain about it frequently as if copilot was launching a full size ad window every time they turn on their computer.The thing about it being little value to the end user does seem fair. I actually enjoy amusing myself with image generation but that’s about all I use it for. Don’t really care about whiny artists, especially since everyone complains that it isn’t good enough to be real art but is also somehow good enough to replace good artists (??).
Artists are legitimately upset because their work is being sucked into a vacuum to train AI without them being compensated or credited. If this was to train a tool that would become a publicly-accessible and free utility to anyone that wanted to use it for non-profit purposes, that would be an easier pill to swallow, but that’s not the case. It’s instead being used for profit by companies that didn’t actually create anything. Whether the artist is “good” or not is subjective.
Copilot being forced into Windows is only one side of it. The other issue was their Recall feature that uses AI. These things are optional now and can be disabled through third party tools and settings, but how long until they’re no longer optional, or they make opting out so convoluted that third party tools and instructions have to change constantly?
The other side of it that I haven’t mentioned is the insane power usage. It’s so high that OpenAI can’t even accurately estimate how much capital they need just to run a business that is already not profitable. It’s the largest amount of funding any startup has ever had to ask for. So in the wake of climate change, AI is a blow torch in a bone dry forest.
An example of AI adversely affecting everyone, even non-users: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2024-ai-power-home-appliances/
For a field that is not profitable, it requires more capital than anything that has come before it: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/27/openai-needs-more-capital-than-wed-imagined-moves-to-for-profit.html
AI returns are dismal: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/10/so-far-ai-hasnt-been-profitable-for-big-tech/
It’s a multi-faceted complaint and doesn’t simply end at the user-facing experience. It’s a waste of capital, a huge weight on an already suffering environment, and it’s entirely out of the hands of the working class. It’s far too expensive for anyone outside of billionaires to run. And all of that for what? Summarizing articles? Making silly imagery and making artists and authors even poorer?
It’s the equivalent of sucking up entire lakes that have been around for thousands of years, all to fill some pools people use maybe once a year.
Edit: here is a new fresh level of AI hell for you. Edit 2: better link for the Meta AI story.
