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This springs to mind:
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
Thus begins four years of trolling. Did he? Didn’t he?
With no intention to defend Elon Musk… Jude Bellingham doing a Nazi salute by mistake and Toni Kroos lowering his arm.
In any case to me Elon’s gesture looks very much intentional(either because he wanted to stir the pot or he actually means it), and even if there is doubt, he is not the kind of man that deserves benefit of the doubt.
I saw a nazi just as clearly as you saw a nazi. And no, we did not just see a nazi salute, we saw a complete nazi piece of shit. There’s no more to this story, nothing here is up for debate.
I think we need to include the reaction from Musk on this topic. Frankly, they need better dirty tricks. The “everyone is Hitler” attack is sooo tired 😴.
Not even Musk is denying the salute. He just doesn’t want to be called Hitler.
And more to the point, no one stumbles into an extreme-right event, gives a hyper reactionary speech, and does two nazi salutes by mistake.
The media that’s helping Musk gaslight everyone should be ashamed of themselves.
they don’t know what shame feels like
Just went to LinkedIn just to see bottom of the barrel bootlickers defending him.
” He’s autistic”, ” that picture is taken out of context”, ” it’s a Roman salute”, ” look at these out of context pictures of other politicians making the gesture”, ” how can he be a Nazi if he supports Israel?”
No he did a full on deliberate Nazi salute at a far right event.
there is no proof in roman writing or painting of this salute, there is no doubt about Musolinis fascist movement using it in 1919 and later the german nazis adopting it
There is a painting from the 1700s that depicts Romans using the salute. So the myth that this salute has Roman origin predates the Italian fascists.
The Bellamy salute in the United States dates to 1896. It too predates the Italian fascists, and it seems to draw on the same Roman-origin urban legend.
I’m genuinely curious: who the fuck defends Elon and Nazis on LinkedIn? Are we so far divided as a country that it’s ok to associate employment with a penchant for Nazism?
Probably simps who can’t accept that Elon isn’t the real life Tony Stark they thought him to be.
And nazis don’t forget the nazis
Is there any difference at this point?
I’m autistic, I’ve never done this gesture. Everyone’s different, of course, but I’ve never seen anyone at all do this by accident. I’ve seen the defence that it’s a “from my heart to yours” gesture, but if that was true, it would be palm up. Palm up is the giving gesture. Palm down is a saluting gesture.
Yeah, excusing it by saying he’s autistic is ableist by itself. We’re not incapable of understanding dog whistles or concepts, you know?
Especially when people in the same breath call Elon a genius. You can’t have it both ways. Either he’s clueless and shouldn’t be in a position of power, or he’s actually a nazi… and shouldn’t be in a position of power
He should be in a position of power… ing my mom’s irises and marigolds.
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What’s decent about defending a Nazi?
He’s not a nazi. It’s questionable at best. And yet you guys go out of your way to shout that he’s a nazi
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do the gesture and post it on here if it’s not a nazi gesture
do you have the same outrage for the genocide in Gaza?
nope, I’m totally morally vacuous and hypocritical, for sure that’s the case. definitely, I look at the nazis organizing into an ethostate much like israel, killing like 20 million people, and think. yeah, that wasn’t what was wrong there, and my sympathies shouldn’t be extended out to the gazans. I just find their aesthetics offensive, that’s the real problem. I definitely haven’t seen people collecting pieces of their children in plastic grocery bags and talk about how they would rather be dead online and talk about how they can smell the rotting bodies trapped under the rubble 24/7.
Oh he makes big tweet where he agrees with tweet that say da joos are bringing in minorities to destabilize america, is from a literal nazi family, he doesn’t apologize for the literal nazi salute at all.
There are thousands of politicans all around the world that don’t do the gesture at politcal events.
You’re welcome to do the questionable gesture infront of a synagouge, israeli embassy or really any busy public place.
He looks like a Nazi
Talks like a Nazi
Acts like a NaziWhat would convince you?
That he did something that’s actually bad.
Like killing people.
But just reaching his hands in the air once that might be related Nazism, didn’t make him “definitely a nazi”
Surely we can find hints that somebody is a Nazi before we find out that they’ve killed people.
But jumping to conclusions is bad right?
There’s definitely interpretation to this gesture he did. This doesn’t make him a nazi. The people aggressively trying to push the users that he’s a nazi are acting more like Nazis than him.
This could be a mistake or a silly blunder or even just him trying to throw his affection out. But people shouting and screaming, calling people names and being derogatory is disturbing
He’s posted in support of far-right extremists in Germany and the UK multiple times, he’s ‘liked’ antisemitic posts on his shitshow of a site, he’s used avatars that are used by the alt and far right. And now he’s done this. A nazi salute. He’s a nazi. Nobody needs to ‘go out of their way’ to call him a nazi when everything he says and does shouts the fact from the fucking rooftops.
He’s not a nazi. You think he’s a member of the nazi party? Show me these terrible tweets your talking about
What lies are being spread?
Go back to sleep troll
Care to elaborate?
He made a heart thrown out gesture and now there’s all this hysteria probably artificial. That states he’s a nazi for one at the very least questionable event. Yet people are treating him like he’s gasing the Jews
Nazism isn’t limited to hating Jews. They were targeting other marginalized groups at the time. This time they’re targeting a different set of groups, most notably transgender people.
I’ve got to say I don’t like that he likes posts that are anti trans. There’s no need for that.
The Nazis targeted the trans community the first time around too. Camps, death squads, the whole nine yards…
There was a big chunk of scientific research on the topic that was simply lost because it was literally burned.
huh, funny google analitics fails to find literally anything on this common “heart thrown out” gesture.
Thanks for proving again he did a nazi salute.
The Roman salute is also known as the fascist salute. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_salute
It’s the oath of the Horatii and asterix - both well known for being reliable historical sources
Can’t upvote the post at the moment. It’s at 666 votes.
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So good. I had his reddit app before. Functionality and customizations are the best.
This dude practiced in front of a mirror.
That one was actually trying to be sneaky, kind of. Ah, more innocent times I suppose.
Plausible deniability may be sneaky but certainly isn’t innocent.
What if you’re really drunk and you’re trying to hail a cab but you can’t rustle up enough strength to get your arm outside of the danger zone?
He wasn’t drunk or hailing a cab so I don’t know what you are getting at.
That it is possible to do it accidentally. But a normal person would realize their mistake and apologize profusely.
@RizzRustbolt Very good question. Here’s how to figure it out:
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/adriancinenaticuniverse/images/9/97/90_degree_half_heil.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20230329101954
Someone might, but sure as fuck not twice in a row.
I mean I did once accidentally do one because i was just trying to wave to people sitting on the ground and automatically adjusted my hand angle to be flat towards them and did not realize what I just did until they pointed it out. “Slightly” different context though.
Yeah, I wouldn’t rule out mistakenly doing the salute. But you don’t mistakenly do it twice and then not apologize for doing people considered to be a nazi salute. Even if you do it once and you don’t apologize after being called out you’re a nazi. It’s such a taboo thing that you’d be apologetic or at the very least remorseful or ashamed. Musk is none of those things.
And to anyone defending Musk, if he pulled out his dick and swung it around on stage and then doesn’t show any remorse for showing his dick, would you think it was accidental?
No one does a full helicopter accidentally.
That shit needs to be practiced.
I was talking about this with my friend and she was like, “I heard it’s just a Roman Salute.” Be ready to be surprised at how many people will defend this crap.
Show me the difference… Go on…show me.
everybody calls it a fascist salute, except for fascists who call it a roman salute
That’s what I told her. I let her know that anyone trying to correct her with that is trying to play games.
“I hear it’s actually just a toothbrush moustache”
“It’s actually just like summer camp, just less… voluntary.”
It really is sad how many things that little fuck nugget has ruined. In this particular instance I mean Hitler.
Swastika? Neat, simple little geometric shape. Independently created by a few different cultures. Ruined.
“Roman salute”? Kinda neat looking, again simple. And again probably independently invented in a few places, but definitely Roman. Ruined
The charlie Chaplin mustache? More widely adopted after WWI as a style that would fit under a gas mask. Ruined
I’m not trying to campaign to rehab any of these things or apologize for musk. Just kinda sad how all this cool shit got tainted.
So I think this is a fascinating odd corner of history.
The “Roman” salute is definitely not Roman, and it’s not of fascist invention either. It’s an urban legend among the classical studies people: a made-up non-fact that circulated around the fringes of classical scholarship for a couple hundred years.
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Did you explain your position following such accusations or did you do what he’s doing which is attacking everyone?
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im sorry that happened to you. that mist have been awful and i believe you.
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No, they do it so we talk about it instead of the actually dangerous executive orders etc.
And damn is it working exactly as intended because, like my sister when she was 10, we can’t help but take the bait.
How fucking scary is it that the richest person in the world is a fucking nazi piece of shit and now one of our supreme leaders? If you ask the people around me, “meh.”
That’s because he’s the type of moron that shoots himself cleaning his own gun.
Are you referring to the loser neo-Nazi Oath Fucking Keeper? That is how the dipshit lost his eyeball.
Honestly none of them strike me as true adherents. They just go whichever direction looks like it will give them more power or money. If there is a next administration or some BLM like cause comes back in vogue you’ll see them out there preaching to that choir as if they had always supported that cause.
While I agree most of them do whatever they believe will result in more money and power, BLM was a leftist cause so the only time they would support it (or anything inherently leftist) is if their propaganda magically started to fail and their base rejected them over their stance.
I’m an outsider looking in, but isn’t that still a problem? The unchecked capitalism which has now created an oligarchy in the US with the media and government being controlled by the richest of the rich? They’re so sure no one can do anything about it any more that they manipulate overtly and don’t even try to hide what they’re doing.
Seeing what’s happening in the US is very worrying.
you are absolutely correct. I’m terrified for my family’s future.
