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The worms have won. Pretty soon we will all have worms injected into our head.
Goa’uld
Teal’c, I’ve got a question for you. What the hell does “kree” mean anyway.
It’s the Illithid invasion.
For the Absolute!
Remember that show BrainDead? I still wonder how that was cancelled so quickly. I cannot help but wonder if it was a little too close to home, even if it seemed like it was going to bothsider politicians in Washington…
How many people, taking antidepressants, are gun owners? Yep, shits gonna go down in bad way.
According to https://gunviolencearchive.org over 50% of every gun death in the USA each year is from suicide. More than half. Nobody gives a shit because while the numbers are staggering, they’re not kids in school or people in a theater, mall, or grocery store. They’re still dead though.
Gun ranges won’t let you rent a gun unless you: 1) Have someone with you 2) Have another gun with you (and clearly you just want to rent their gun to try out a different gun) because they’re afraid (almost certainly through experience) that you’ll kill yourself.
This nation not only doesn’t give a shit, it gives even less of a shit now as seen in this article.
Indeed, life is cheap in the USA.
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Go ahead and take mine away. See what happens. I dare you.
Were you clearly diagnosed with clinical depression?
Or did your doctor not know what was wrong, said it was stress related and gave you pills to go away?
This is a really shitty attempt at a gotcha question, just so you know. I have depression, any neurologist with an MRI of my brain can tell you that, because there’s a softball sized cyst and the structural placement of it makes depression highly likely, it’s too big to be removed all the empty space would lead to shifting, brain bleeds, embolism, seizures, and strokes which would kill me really quickly. So shunt and valve and medication is my only treatment option. Anti depressants aren’t just for people who are having a bad week and don’t know how to cope, or people behind on their self care, or people who are facing a life challenge and just need a little pick me up. Anti depressants are being taken largely by people who go to their doctor and say ‘‘I’m so depressed I no longer enjoy the things I used to love doing, I’m struggling to remember what happy feels like, and I can’t stop contemplating the end of my life’’ it’s for people with clear diagnosable depression. Please stop acting like you have any room to jump up people’s ass about the maintenance meds they’ve been taking for years that get them results when nothing else did. Do you think a jog a day is the solution? It’s not at all. If that was the solution, this wouldn’t ever be a medical problem in the first place, easy solutions don’t require medical intervention. If you really think the average person on antidepressants didn’t spend YEARS trying to solve it without any medical aid, your delusional.
You didn’t have to go that hard. You could have said “are you a doctor? ARE YOU MY DOCTORS? no? Then would you kindly stfu?”
Really they should have known better then to pick a gotcha out of an unknown situation
I have depression
OK, so you are in the first category
Please stop acting like you have any room to jump up people’s ass about the maintenance meds they’ve been taking for years that get them results when nothing else did.
I’m not. My beef is with the doctors who prescribe antidepressants without proper investigation of the causes of the symptoms.
Do you think a jog a day is the solution?
There will be some cases where this is true. But a jog a day is much more effort than having a pill. Particularly if you are out of shape. A pill is much easier for a doctor to prescribe.
easy solutions don’t require medical intervention.
Unfortunately paying customers want a medical solution. So they get prescribed a pharmaceutical solution.
If you really think the average person on antidepressants didn’t spend YEARS trying to solve it without any medical aid, your delusional.
My beef is with the doctors that prescribe antidepressants as a generic solution to all symptoms. Not the patients.
Do you have something worthwhile to bring up or are you just trolling?
The fact that some doctors prescribe medications they shouldn’t is an ongoing issue for the medical industry that will never go away as long as doctors and patients are humans and we have incomplete knowledge.
It is not a reason to confirm a crazy anti-science vaccine denier as secretary of HHS.
Not trolling. My first post inb this thread acknowledges legitimate uses. I’m just pointing out the silver lining of this policy.
Reducing public dependency on badly prescribed medication doesn’t seem evil or anti science, but big pharma won’t like it.
But what leads you to believe they are being honest or will proceed in a scientific and humane way?
That is the real concern here. Conservatives describing their intentions in ways that sound good on the surface is the oldest and most practiced technique they have. That is why all the context and history around this craziness is so important.
This is my issue with all these “common sense” conservative ideas.
Yes, often common sense is good, but reality has complexity and nuance and you don’t get to just pretend them out of existence.
I think this policy is pure RFKjr. It’s not in project 2025 and conservatives wouldn’t endanger their big phama paychecks.
Now. It may be hijacked and twisted in its implementation. And I don’t think an environmental lawyer should be running health policy.
I think you are right to urge caution. The upsides are minimal and the potential downsides are massive.
Data guy here. You’re kinda running into the same rationale used by fascists, I mean republicans, to cut welfare. That being: there exists some number of people that game the system, so lets put rules in place to fight them. Sounds good right?
The problem is this: what’s the actual added value of these new rules? For this example, what’s the ratio of badly prescribed medicines to correctly prescribed ones? How many people that need the medication have to be denied it to validate catching one bad actor? Is it better to have a few bad actors to make sure everyone gets help, or is it more important to be punitive and make sure that only the right people get the resource?
Well, there’s a rational way to answer that. How scarce is the resource? If a solid gold bar was what was required to treat a condition, than yeah you’re gonna need to make sure no one is wasting it. But if the treatment is common as dirt, why are we getting in the way?
What’s the cost of the system as-is? People take medications they don’t need and may experience side effects of this medicine. Given that wellbutrin is hardly a party drug, it’s not as if people are seeking this out recreationally. They want to feel better. And if it isn’t doing anything, or is making them feel worse, than the discussion with one’s doctor should end up with “let’s try something else” (YMMV, doctors are sometimes bad, patients are sometimes bad, I’m talking how a typical case should go in a quasi-sensible world).
And you know what’s worse? Anyone that isn’t the patient and the doctor being involved in that conversation.
As a data guy we need to explain why 11% of Americans over the age of 12 take an antidepressant. The USA is, yet again, a world leader.
RFKjr has an alternative solution. If it’s small scale and voluntary then costs to society are minimal. If it’s large scale and compulsory then it’s very fascist.
My opinion is that the medical profession should focus on the cause of the above statistic. Not the solution.
My hypothesis is that lazy doctors are being paid to prescribe antidepressants. Whenever they can’t find a solution they identify “stress”.
My beef is with the doctors who prescribe antidepressants without proper investigation of the causes of the symptoms.
I feel like you haven’t gone through the process yourself. I got driven to the point of confessing I would be better off dead before I was considered for anti depressants, it’s not just a “I’m sad today” “ok here are anti depressants”
I’ve been down the other road. Countless doctors dismissing symptoms as stress rather than fibromyalgia and prescribing antidepressants.
https://www.northwell.edu/katz-institute-for-womens-health/articles/gaslighting-in-womens-health
This is a legitimate conversation, but not the time and place. I have had similar issues with SSRI’s being the only solution presented to me (despite previous experiences + knowledge of my body’s previous reactions to these medication being articulated in my refusal) and this is very much due to having an AFAB body.
However, SSRI’s are an effective medication for many people, and the priority in this conversation needs to be on this deranged attack on medical expertise and established understandings of the science. There very much are serious issues with diagnoses/prescriptions being used as alternatives to acknowledging societal problems and a way to make invisible/medically gaslight the understudied chronic illnesses primarily experienced by women, but there are also people who are chemically depressed and are being served by the chemical treatment model - attacks on this fact are profoundly unscientific and harmful and the fact that they are being made by someone potentially leading the medical “establishment” = DEFCON 1.
but there are also people who are chemically depressed and are being served by the chemical treatment model
I highlighted this group at the top of this thread. My beef is with dismissive doctors, not their chemically imbalanced patients.
as someone that was also given an Rx for antidepressants due to a “fibromyalgia” diagnosis, it’s a working theory that one of the reasons for that disorder is, in fact, neurotransmitter dysregulation (e.g., norepinephrine) so that’s not completely off-base… sorry. it sucks, but it has to be eliminated as a mechanism. is it possible you have undiagnosed hEDS? that was the case with me, and a geneticist was able to sus it out. please google it, because if you’ve been diagnosed with fibro it means you have a vague nebula of symptoms that could be any number of things (e.g., lupus) and requires an extensive differential diagnosis which usually ends up being something else (if you’re anything like me).
It’s that the symptoms constantly change that is so frustrating. Thanks for the tips.
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I’m done discussing this with you.
Dude, writing a single word does not even begin a discussion.
My beef is with the doctors who prescribe antidepressants without proper investigation of the causes of the symptoms.
If thats the issue, then ban HIMS and HERS, and other mail order docs from advertising on TV or anywhere else.
Totally happy with this proposal.
Ok, no need to send people on SSRI’s to a labor camp, which is what has been proposed.
“I’m going to create these wellness farms where they can go to get off of illegal drugs, off of opiates, but also illegal drugs, other psychiatric drugs, if they want to, to get off of SSRIs, to get off of benzos, to get off of Adderall"
Sounds like SSRI’s are voluntary attendance. But actions are more important than words.
Im more concerned about TV docs prescribing cialis to 50 year olds…
There is a fundamental misunderstanding that most folks have when it comes to anti-depressants. A lot of people think that you take prozac and it makes you feel “happy” or at least “better”. But the reality of it for me is, I take prozac, and stops my emotions from spiralling out of control.
My neurology is like an elderly person on an icy day, it has a tendency to slip and fall over. Anti-depressants are just a walker for my brain, gives me a good chance to not fall over and break a hip.
This, it doesn’t give me a joygasm, it just stops me from being overly paranoid
Yeah, my experience is similar - I take zoloft and it doesn’t make me feel good or happy all the time but it does make my otherwise crippling anxiety manageable by significantly lowering my base level of anxiety and decreasing the amount of anxiety “spikes” and “episodes” I get
I’m not on antidepressants (except for anxiety treatment) but people love to act the same about my adhd meds. Never mind that I’m the first to say that in order to have my adhd under control I need to utilize a combination of good rest, regular exercise, large amounts of socialization, good diet, and Adderall which plays a larger individual role than any of the others. But no, people think that because the others are important they must be capable of being sufficient. But I can’t even maintain the others without Adderall. I imagine a lot of depressed people can relate to that. Depression meds sound awful and yet so many swear by theirs, so rather than assuming brainwashing I’m gonna assume they help.
Oh yeah definitely. I always knew I had it, I’ve had it my whole life. You try being a suicidal 7-year-old and see how well you like it. I didn’t start getting better until my 30s.
You have my sympathy.
But I’m sure many lemmings reading this recognize the second “lazy doctor” scenario.
You realize you’re doing the “lazy doctor” routine right now, right?
You already decided on an answer and when confronted with a discrepancy, you decided that your understanding is correct and this specific situation is the outlier.
That’s the exact same thought process you’re complaining about.
Not really.
I’m diagnosing a problem but my solution is to investigate more, not to sweep unknowns under the antidepressant carpet.
You aren’t a doctor. Stop acting like one, and stop assuming you know all doctor’s motives. SSRIs are an important tool and make many peoples lives tolerable. No one’s making you or anyone take anything.
You aren’t a doctor. Stop acting like one,
I’m not seeing patients or providing medical advice. Typing on lemmy is nothing like acting like a doctor.
SSRIs are an important tool and make many peoples lives tolerable.
Agreed.
Also prozac and other drugs are prescribed for “stress related” symptoms when doctors can’t find the root cause and when patients demand a pharmaceutical solution.
Where did you get your medical degree from again?
https://www.northwell.edu/katz-institute-for-womens-health/articles/gaslighting-in-womens-health
The down votes are from people who were diagnosed with “stress” and are now addicted to anti depressants.
The down votes are from people who were diagnosed with “stress” and are now addicted to anti depressants.
The downvotes are from people who think your statements are ignorant lol
The down votes are from the victims of a medical industry that doesn’t allow doctors to say “I don’t know”.
You have no place diagnosing people with no proven experience in the field of psychiatry, or pharmacology.
So stop parroting RFK talking points.
OK, I have no idea about the medical history of whoever is down voting. But it’s clear from the numbers that people are scared of their pills being taken away.
The only time I’ve had a similar reaction was when I suggested coffee should be banned. (It’s bad for the environment, more physically addictive than heroin and makes everyone’s breath smell terribly)
I’m not American so I don’t know what GPs are like in the US, but I don’t know of any anti depressants that are addictive. The addictive ones are the pain killers.
Big same fellow person. Lookin forward to seeing you in the wellness camps, and looking forward to the hell we’re going to raise.
Same here. Even down to the same age.
Diagnosed. And I medicate with cannabis, to the objection of the Federal government.
And, last I checked, whatever gets prescribed is between me and my doctor.
Amazing, how Reich Wingers, once again, want Big Gubmint regulating our bodies.
Suicide rates are going to spike if this idiot gets his way. I may well be one of the statistics before it’s over, if he takes away my access to medicine that has enabled me to live a somewhat normal life, not that it’ll matter to him or his ilk. The cruelty, as the kids like to say, is the point, I guess.
Please remember, when the meds are gone and life is still going on, when they’re threatening to put us in camps, remember… once you’re in a camp with other like-minded people who have been wronged, what ‘fun’ we can have together. That’s what will keep me going.
According to the article RFK wants to find the “root causes” of a broad range of conditions, including autism, ADHD, asthma, obesity, multiple sclerosis, and psoriasis. Sure thing, while the his fellow fucking MAGAts shut down and destroy US medical research and increase deregulations pertaining to the food industry and pollution.
Don’t worry the root cause is going to be vaccines. No need for science when you already have the answer.
Republicans finding the major contributors to those conditions is going to be like that scroll of truth comic. They’ll only care if it turns out that the root cause is gay people existing or people being in unions or something (spoiler alert: it isn’t, but that won’t stop them).
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Translation: Prison farms people are forced to go to because someone says they have a problem. This will also help with all the migrant crackdowns because who is going to grow and harvest our food.
Seriously though, after deinstitutionalization we were supposed to build a bunch of community health centers to help people. That never happened, but it should have. This is some perversion of that stolen idea designed to enrich the wealthy.
He’s wanting to set up camps to help people’s concentration. I wonder what they’ll call it?
Doctor Bob’s Fantastigorical Focus and Wholesomeness Camps!
I wondered how they planned on keeping the farms going without immigrants. Anyone who has a problem can be put in “wellness farms”. Awesome.
Yeah, because it’s soooo hard to get drugs in rural areas 🙄
I don’t think that’s the point. They need a new labor force in these rural areas because they just deported the last one.
I have never felt more depressed then now. He’s causing depression and taking away meds for it. Fuck this feedback loop
You know, people off their meds don’t make good choices…
I mean…the trump dictatorship are most likely all on drugs to begin with.
Or, alternatively, not on drugs when they should be.
Or both!
So, they’re taking all the wrong drugs
Exactly
And anti-psychotic medication too.
Does he want a bunch of undiagnosed schizophrenic people coming after him and his fellow maga stooges? Because this is how he gets a bunch of undiagnosed schizophrenic people coming after him.
Untreated, not undiagnosed.
This from the same people who told you to inject disinfectant and are actively distancing themselves from international medical consensus.
Dude if they take away my SSRIs I’m gonna be so anxious about it.
I had someone steal my SSRIs before. I hope they’re happy.
Jk, but they work more for anxiety than depression for me too. If I stop taking them then I’m going to fall back on Xanax
I hope to god everyone on antidepressants isn’t about to go through what people with ADHD have been going through for medication access. Ridiculous hoops to jump through, short term prescriptions, doctors treating you like a criminal, and medication shortages have made life miserable for so many people.
You mean it’s like this in the USA? I’ll admit I thought it’s some heaven for ADHD people over the ocean with everyone getting amphetamines
Your GP is supposed to be able to write a script for Adderall, but mine refused until I went through their hospitals mental health service to “confirm” the diagnosis I got from a famous medical facility (UCSF), which was a 3 month minimum wait to talk to the person who could then write the recommendation to see the person who can diagnose me and give me a 1 week script (another 2 month wait after the first appointment, so 5 total now), then my GP could write me my full-month amount
Oh, I’d been taking them on my old diagnosis for a fucking year and a half by that point, so it’s not like I was some recent diagnosis who was trying to doctor shop, I had a record of this shit
Oh, and trying to regularly pick my meds up from 2 different locations of the same chain pharmacy caused issues, even though it was because I travelled for work and could easily produce documents and statements from my company CEO to back me up
every pharmacy within 75 miles of my house responded to me trying to figure out of they could take me on as a new patient with active hostility, 4 hung up on me without an answer, and one said “no, fuck off you junkie”
I… I can go on, sadly, those are just my personal ones
O-OK, just so you knew, here in Russia ADHD is famous among clueless normies for being “that fake diagnosis invented by murrikan big pharma to put everyone on amphetamines”, and a lot of those clueless normies happen to be doctors. And that’s how it looks from the outside, I’ve never tried to get a diagnosis for ADHD. So - at least you can get real medicine. In theory.
RFK is one of those assholes who was depressed, changed his diet and worked out, and that was enough. And he thinks that solution works for everyone. And now he has power.
Fuck anyone that takes my SSRIs away from me. That would actually make me leave the country.
“Well, have you tried not being sad?”
- my parents
Being rich also doesn’t hurt
His brain was eaten by worm, isn’t that how his depression got cured?
I hate to say it, but you probably can’t. People with diagnosed mental illnesses are often banned by other countries from immigrating.
I have EU citizenship.
Then good luck and I hope you make it out soon!
Still got meds. So fighting the good fight right now.
Is that really true?
It’s pretty tough to migrate to Australia for example and I don’t think this is really a relevant question.
You have to be mad to want to live somewhere where everything is trying to kill you.
Jesus there is another solution don’t walk away from your home this is your cross to bear.
When the options are “I don’t get the drugs that will stop me from killing myself” or “find a country that will give them to me,” I think there’s a pretty clear choice.
Are those the only two options? What if you did your ancestors proud and dumped tea in the harbor. I mean if you save your country you violate no law. Not a very creative problem solver, unusual for a squid.
Yes, if you will commit suicide if you don’t have the drugs you need, those are your only options if you want to stay alive.
Are you one of those “smile more” people?
Also, maybe don’t do your racist ancestors who tried to blame their protest on indigenous Americans proud? What with that being super fucking racist? You do know that’s what happened, right? They dressed up like indigenous people and then dumped the tea in the harbor.
Oh shit, wouldn’t this be grounds for asking for asylum?
this is your cross to bear
The fuck it is. I didn’t vote for Trump and I sure as shit didn’t sign off on Elon Musk’s god damned meddling.
Buddy you missed the guys comment I was replying to was named Jesus.
“simplejack” = “Jesus”? I’m not seeing it.
there is another solution
What’s your solution to being suicidal even after trying all of the non-pharma solutions for decades?
Walk on water, water into wine, so obvious water into blood. We need to extract the brain worm with an industrial waterjet cutter! Blessed by a native natural shaman of course to ward off the scientist’s curse.
The only thing that worked out for him was being rich. Everything else is just an excuse/wishful thinking at best and a lie to be used to manipulate others at worst.
This is a very valid point.
Eating healthy, exercising regularly, time to relax and meditate etc. are luxuries not easily available to the poor. But a $1 pill is.
If he tries to ban meds, big pharma will absolutely fucking pulverise him.
I couldn’t agree more. Forced labor camps for the citizenry is totally ok, but you don’t just fuck with the bag. Eli Lilly, Astra Zeneca, Pfizer & friends won’t allow even the restriction of SSRIs, let alone the banning. Worst case scenario, they get “forced” to increase the price.
Too much money involved for that.
Pharma has an open left leaning culture but once you get to executive leadership and the board the only thing that matters is sales. The bribers (aka lobbyists) will work with anyone.
You can bet your ass there is more chance of the FDA getting disbanded than drugs having prices regulated or simply being banned from sale. I’m expecting the biden price negotiations for medicare and medicaid to go away so the pharmas can milk us even more with their exclusive monopolies for the first decade or so of sales.
From what I can tell, the most widely used antidepressants are long off patent and pretty cheap as generics. That’s why insurance companies want doctors to prescribe them instead of sending you to expensive therapy. Overprescribing antidepressants in that sense is more like overprescribing aspirin. Medically unnecessary, maybe even potentially harmful? Maybe. But, the stuff is too cheap for Big Pharma to be doing it purely for the money. That’s what opiods were for ;).
