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And as far as I’ve seen the numbers it’s working too. Anywhere in Europe that is academic or sciency is seeing record numbers of Americans applying. The brain drain will be real.
It’s already happened in Florida and Idaho at least, Idaho lost a huge amount of medical professionals thanks to RvW and state passed open ended and vague laws. Florida lost just about all their teachers DeSantis is stuffing schools with sycophants with little to no education and no teaching credentials. We’re already losing.
All numbers I’ve seen for record applications were for high level research and university level teaching. Maybe the medical doctors mainly moved states? At least I haven’t seen them making headlines about moving to Europe.
Many are leaving teaching all together, it’s a huge problem that’s going to have far reaching consequences for a lot more than 4 years. While they might not all leave the US, they are no longer teaching or practicing medicine in hostile states, Idaho has been forced to shut down hospitals and medical services.
Here in rural CA we’re also seeing medical access dwindle. A lot of things people don’t realize have changed are very drastic, being older I remember not even needing to think about buying produce and inspection it for bugs or rotting. Now, you have to check, and if you aren’t washing everything before you put it away from the store you are getting bugs. It’s gonna happen reliably, many services and newly built things seem shotty and badly done. We have been running out of competency for some time now, and if you’ve been alive long enough were clearly in decline.
Sadly a lot if not most of these changes will take generations to reverse. It’s the sad reality of things.
The main good thing I am taking from the news currently is that as far as I can tell the people won’t accept this for very long. Can’t quite yet tell how or what will happen, but I’d be surprised if the current regime are still in power in the same way 1-2 years from now. The protest are amping up at an intense speed, the videos coming out of the few republicans still giving town halls feel like the crowd is a pot about to boil over.
Yeah, hopefully, but Americans are really bad at fighting back, and easily swayed with very dubious conceits.
I don’t know. It takes a while to get organized but I have confidence that they’ll get there. At least based on what I’m seeing at the moment. Could obviously still just slowly die down again. Time will tell.
It has already been happening for several years now, it’s just accelerated since Trump. Even before his first term there was a “negative brain drain” of educated workers no longer coming into the US because the benefits (paid time off, health care, etc) are so much worse compared to other countries, even when considering the higher pay. America used to rely on a steady stream of incoming highly educated workers.
But now there is a huge amount of well established academics leaving for Canada, EU, or anywhere else that will pay them. I work in a physics department at a large R1 university in a very liberal state, and we are losing 4 (that I know of) high regarded professors just this year alone moving to other countries.
The brain drain is here, and won’t be reversing course even if Trump suddenly disappears. We would have to completely change how we reward work and our failing healthcare system for anything to change.
its also very hard to get hired as faculty as colleges because of the limited space, alot of people graduaitng in the us with a undergrad thinks thier career path is a PHD, but its too competitive because tenures arnt leaving until thier dead, plus university can be stingy and hiring cheap temporary instructors,. also getting grad degrees are expensive and not easy too. oh yea i also hear about hte lack of wet lab experience before graduating with your undergrad degree, plus the amount of papers people are doing to get noticed by a university on thier CV. when i was in undergrad i was in a talk where the announcer said the professor attending today has to write dozens of research papers just to get hired. and then theres the complaint about quality of said research paper too.
im curious are they moving to other countries because “insurance, pay, politics”?
Makes sense. This is doing decades of damage. Plenty of past groundbreaking research came out of the US. But I get it. I wouldn’t want to move to the US either for very much the same reasons. Lack of affordable healthcare, lack of paid holidays and gun safety would be the main reasons. Lack of food regulation would also be a concern. And now the current regime and the way too large chunk of the population that still seems happy with it means we put even tourist travel plans to the US on hold. Too scary at the moment. Trying to help the best I can from here, but there’s only so much you can do at a distance.
We have quite a shortage of doctors and other medical professionals in Slovenija. Come on over, guys!
ETA: and professors to teach at the medical university.
How much is med school there and are older people welcomed into the schools? I had to drop my premed program here in the US because I either need to be a med student for rural America … which can get fucked imo or pay a million to stay in “progressive” cities.
Oof, I don’t know about that. It’s very difficult even for regular students from other EU countries to get in. There are so few spots opened that they are very strict with the criteria plus domestic students are preferred.
i heard its pretty hard because us has standards that are usually above that of most countries, and some countries thier medical programs might not be equal. Also even if you are MD outside of the usa, its very hard to become one in the USA if you try to immigrate here.
aside from UK, and some other european MED schools , theres much more you have to do to apply to become a med student/MD in the usa. you all heard about people trying to go to caribbean med schools only to be met with more requirements in the USA.
Most countries welcome medical professionals with open arms. They are always shortlisted. ;)
PS: I love Slovenija, it is so pretty. I reccomend it too!
theres a shortages in the us to for prof, because the tenures are not retiring to leave any positions open, so alot of them end up not applying to colleges anymore, also the fact that many schools are abusing just using adjuncts only
The US University experience
Hey ya know, just how it be sometimes
Excuse me. They have a women. This is clearly a DEI group of fascist.
Emotional, fucking, damage.
Why would Americans feel emotional damage from this? They have freedom to be Christian, and self reliant, and proud.
They look like they’re being told to smile or a family member will be killed.
I’ve spoken to some Fins and it’s being that close to another human being causing that.
/S but only slightly
They sound like my kind of people. Time to look into graduate school in Finland
There was a meme picture of a Finnish bus stop with people queueing leaving about 1-2m between each person. When it was still current, I asked some friends of mine about it and they said “yeah, we definitely like our personal space”, especially out in the countryside.
At the time of the pandemic it was hard for us Finns, as they said we should be 2 meters away from each other. Too close!
As a Finn I can confirm this.
I’m from Finland. It’s late winter now. It’s not Smiling Season yet.
I guess they’re just not actors
It’s AI generated, isn’t it?
Kinda small on my phone but I don’t think so. Most ai stuff looks more air brushed and the light is usually weird. This has skin imperfections and clothes wrinkles that look very real.
No no the guy is making a face like “I came here to fart don’t follow me” and she’s all “I came here to smell it”
Yeah, but it’ll be a random family member - not necessarily a woman or LGBTQ+.
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Orange Diaper is burning my country’s goodwill to the ground and I’m so happy to see the rest of the world telling us to fuck off, and more importantly fucking with Americas wallet.
Consequences for bad behavior is the only way it ever gets corrected.
You like being told to fuck off?
I’m making plans to leave and I’m not looking forward to being associated with the US
It’s like someone wished for more European defense spending but to the monkey’s paw
The US wants better European militaries in case we can’t help or share, not because we want to flat out refuse to help or share
The US wants better European militaries in case we can’t help or share
Instructions unclear, got weapons to defend against the US instead…
Suddenly nobody wants an F-35 anymore.
Maybe if things go poorly Europe will have to come liberate you guys and spread some democracy.
We ally with California, Mexico and Canada then liberate the Gilead Republic (see The Handmaid’s Tale series and Civil War film).
We could rejoin the three Californias!
I have a friend here in the US who is on a visa and is planning on leaving the US after undergrad and doing grad school in Europe somewhere
Actual free market at work, as opposed to the shit we have in the U.S.
Loadsa Yanks in Edinburgh
Aberdeen and Glasgow too tbh.
I’m in.
I too enjoy the freedom to think my thoughts!
Meanwhile the Trump administration has asked Australian academics to justify that their US-funded research lines up with Conservative values
It is not secret that the US has attracted talented academics for many years. I am sure that these kinds of advertisements are not new.
I’m sure they’re not.
I’m also pretty sure that they’re working a lot better now than they were before…Yeah with money
Yes. People conducting cutting-edge research should receive suitable compensation. Don’t see a problem with that.
yea thats the only reason, just higher salary only if it matches the HCOL in there area, otherwise they wouldnt have come here.
& then that research gets gatekept by said country, do you agree to that
its gatekeeped in alot of ways, its complex issue stemming back to undergrad. not only because of recent anti-science, and anti-dei initiatives, which adds to the problem.
I wasn’t aware that publishing peer-reviewed work for anybody to read was “gatekeeping”.
I said countries (as in governments & corporations)
Research related to National Defense are usually kept confidential, and corporations have an incentive to not share there research to maintain competitive with their competitors. Neither of these seem out of the ordinary regardless of where you are on the globe.
Even still. The US government funds various institutions that share their research publicly, so I am not sure where you are really going with this.
thats only 1 part of the issue, its a minor but important part.
