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75 million of us studied for the test, took the test, passed the test, and still failed.
Standing in a street with a sign isn’t going to fix this. 60% of us still need to work 5 days a week just to eat, or at least sort of eat while our kids actually eat. The DNC didn’t even ask for a single recount they quietly rolled over and gave been laying on the floor ever since, and they’re the ones with all the money.
So, in your fury, what would you suggest?
Guns. Americans own lots of guns. You have the 2nd amendment that is exactly to be used for just this sort of thing.
So, in your fury, what would you suggest?
Get organized and ramp up your activism, whatever kind fits your life and priorities.
Standing in a street with a sign isn’t going to fix this.
75 million people standing in a street with signs would be a start.
75 million people blockading government buildings, preventing the Nazis from doing their job would definitely help.
How many people protested Vietnam? How many people were involved in the Stonewall riots? For fuck’s sake, how many people were involved in the January 6 attempted coup? They may have been fascist thugs, but they got things done instead of sitting around saying “I can’t do anything, it’s the government’s fault!”
FUCKING ACT! If signs don’t work, then get more signs. Barricade government buildings. BREAK THE FUCKING SYSTEM and stop whining about it!
You mean 75million people typing “don’t blame meeeee, I didn’t vote for the guy” won’t make a difference?
I’m in Canada. Don’t be so fucking sanctimonious. It’s going to hurt you and your family to stand up for your own country and yourselves. If you don’t it’s going to hurt mine so fuck you and them too.
But my job and my house. Fuck you. For me it’s my kids and my family and my friends. My trauma kit is stocked and my gun cabinet full and ready should I or anyone else need to do your fucking job because you have to go to work.
Asshole.
Standing in a street with a sign isn’t going to fix this.
People often say that. But standing in the street with a sign can be the first step in encouraging and recruiting people to do some actual resistance. The power of protest is that it brings people together and shows them others are also willing to show their discontent. From there, you can build your networks and move on to other things.
If there’s 75 million of you, get out and fucking obstruct things. Stop asking people in other countries how to clean up your own mess, learn a little about civil disobedience, and start doing it.
Like everyone here, I have no patience for your passive aggressive “this isn’t myyyyy fault” attitude. Is it mine? I’m in a foreign nation, for fuck’s sake. Maybe you really can’t do anything from your own situation, I understand that, but then don’t come in here acting sanctimonious about it. Your labour is providing for the military machine that’s threatening me and my family. I have no sympathy.
Thing is, that the reason why Biden dropped out of the race is because a not insignificant portion of that 75 million was okay with fascism over a second Biden term.
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Look, I appreciate what you’re trying to say.
But man, do I really not care. When they say “at the US”, it means “at the US”. If there is one silver lining to this whole mess is that it is extremely, fundamentally, not about your feelings right now. We had to watch that trainwreck in slow motion, wondering what entitled nonsense of an excuse you were going to ride all the way to fascism (Gazan eggs, was it?) and now we don’t have to give a crap anymore because it’s done. I intend to take advantage of that.
But hey, you do all those things. If you guys ever come out of the sinkhole send a postcard. I’m sure our own survivors would loooove to know how it all went down from the Commonwealth of Eastasia or whatever is left at that point.
I am an idiot. I was yelling into the void and hoping to reach out and maybe give inspiration? to someone, BUT as an idiot I didn’t realize that I posted in a Canadian community. Yeah, we deserve everything we get. I can’t stand to even talk to other people I work with who helped make the situation the way it is. We are fucked here.
I am sorry
It happens.
Get organized.
Rightfully so
“Great state of Canada”…
To be fair, I heard a news anchorwoman in British Columbia refer to the US as “the lower provinces” lol. I had never heard this before, but since it was used casually on a newscast I assumed it was a fairly common expression. Maybe Bonespurs heard about that and got a burr in his diaper.
There is a significant difference between a regular person, even a TV personality, and a politician saying that. Enough so that I don’t think the term “to be fair” can be applied to it.
I was speculating that calling the US “the lower provinces” might be a fairly common figure of speech. Wasn’t comparing newscasters to politicians. But whatever.
I’m down with that. In fact, can Canada just annex Oregon and Washington? I would consider emigrating to Canada myself. But…that’s hardly a trivial thing to do. Plus packing is such a pain in the ass. Plus, selling a house, moving companies and all that. Ugh. What an effort. It would be a lot more convenient for me if we could just move the border a good ways south.
Upper and Lower Canada making a comeback, with slightly different meanings.
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Trump did not campaign on a war with Canada. No one elected him to do this. Everyone who isn’t mad has brainworms.
Problem is, tens of millions of ignorant people elected him to do whatever. They just liked that he hated educated people, brown people, trans people, women, gays, foreigners, and so on. Apart from that they didn’t really care about the details.
But that’s the thing, they elected him based on his campaign and he never mentioned anything like this during his campaign. If what you say is the case, why did he talk nonstop about grocery prices right up to the election? Did they like the hate? Very much, conservatives are hateful people. It just doesn’t pass the smell test. Invade Mexico? That kind of matches all his other hateful rhetoric for everyone south of the US, but a country full of white people? We only do that if your asian ally bombs us first usually.
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I’d have less trouble believing this if there was any meaningful backlash from his supporters. Currently there isn’t even meaningful backlash from his opposition, so colour me doubtful.
To be fair, even though it feels like 2 years already, it’s only been a couple months. I’m not expecting much though, so your point stands.
If you’re going to judge his plans based on his campaign speeches, then you deserve nothing but ridicule.
It was a full fucking YEAR before the election that he was invited to say he wouldn’t be a dictator, and he declined.
“We love this guy,” Trump said of Hannity. “He says, ‘You’re not going to be a dictator, are you?’ I said: ‘No, no, no, other than day one. We’re closing the border, and we’re drilling, drilling, drilling. After that, I’m not a dictator.’"
That was from December of 2023.
Oh, and how about his faithful?
“We’re going to come after the people in the media who lied about American citizens, who helped Joe Biden rig presidential elections,” said Kash Patel (gain, from late 2023)
Here’s an article from a month earlier: "A mass deportation operation. A new Muslim ban. Tariffs on all imported goods and “Freedom cities” built on federal land.
Every single person who voted for Trump in 2024 or didn’t bother to vote at all has explicitly said they support a violent, expansionist, nazi regime. Nearly every person who voted against him did not enough to keep him from gaining power, and ARE STILL NOT DOING ENOUGH. Instead of taking up arms (literally or figuratively) against him, you are defending his voters.
Take some ownership of your problems.
Well it’s not so much a problem of my personal making, I was saying all the same things you’re saying. I talked and talked to people, which I hate doing, going down the list for why this guy sucked and why Kamala was way better than Trump, no matter how you slice it. He scammed stupid people (we have a lot of stupid people) and stupid people also tend to be bigots. He also had a billionaire buy votes in crucial areas and our courts didn’t see a problem. We’re fighting the same billionaires you’re going to be fighting when the same fucking thing happens to you. We’re all on this spaceship Earth together. If it gets nuked, that fucks you too.
He literally started this tariffs thing last time too. No one can claim to be blindsided by this.
Everyone who voted Trump - including those mad because they did not elect him to do this - has brainworms.
It’s just that Americans don’t care, so they wouldn’t remember how Trump tried to strong-arm Mexico and Canada using tariffs in his first term. Americans will burn the rest of the world in the hopes of cheaper gas. Now, increasingly burning themselves in hopes of cheaper gas.
The threats to Canadian sovereignty feel very new and the reaction from Canada feels very different this time.
To be clear, I think Trump voters are idiots being scammed, but are too morally repugnant to be sympathetic, they 100% suck. Even if Trump stuck to the things he promised, those things would also be very bad.
I do care, I served with Canadians and have Canadian friends. I hate what we’re doing to our neighbors and am ashamed to see a flag I served twice, more and more resemble a nazi flag.
The threats to Canadian sovereignty feel very new and the reaction from Canada feels very different this time.
That much is fair to say. The disrespect amped up a thousand percent compared to just threatening tariffs like last time, which explains why the reaction feels so different.
But once again, even though the scale is increased and it might feel new to you and to many Canadians, nothing here should be a surprise. Trump praised Putin on invading Ukraine, he in no uncertain terms threatened the invasion of Venezuela, and floated the idea of bombing Mexico.
Threatening to annex Canada is surprising insofar as being a surprising choice of target. That he’s deranged and bellicose towards other countries, it’s nothing new. So every time he points his enshitification gaze at some other group, Americans voting far-right (or not voting at all) will still be defensive as we tell them: yes, you voted for this shit, exactly this shit, you just didn’t realize you were doing because you didn’t give a fuck.
Now the target is kind of a friend, so a few fucks are given. That’s the only, and very minor, difference. Can I predict which country he’ll threaten next? No. But he will keep at it. Over and over.
Edit to add one last thing: “They elected him based on his campaign” is a cop-out. Electing someone based on what they say (promises) instead of based on what they did (specially to others) is a form of “not giving a fuck”.
I think it’s a pretty big difference, if Trump was campaigning on a strategy of invading Canada from the start, I see things playing out very differently.
if Trump was campaigning on a strategy of invading Canada from the start, I see things playing out very differently.
Obviously, but irrelevant. Like I said… Electing someone based on what they say (promises) instead of based on what they did (specially to others) is a form of “not giving a fuck”.
Trump will not campaign on being aggressive towards allies. He’ll do it after securing power. During campaign, that’s what the “America First” rhetoric means: vote me to strong-arm everyone I can. People voted him in for this, now we’re seeing it.
There was ample evidence that he would be belligerent against allies.
I see your points, but it also seems you’re trying to make your adversary a whole lot smarter than they actually are in order to feel more righteous in your upset.
These are not deep thinkers. They are often poor and poorly educated, quick to fall for a scam. They don’t think, they believe. The best reaction is ridicule, it strikes at the heart of their biggest insecurity. Though anger is understandable and I’ll help make sure it’s heard.
I don’t know why you think I’m assigning Trump voters any intelligence. I am certain they’re incapable of critical thinking.
I’m not saying people are interpreting what “America First” means. What I’m saying is that the meaning of “America First” is clear to anyone who thinks it through, and it takes a moron to not to consider that eventually Trump’s aggression will turn to allies, and to large swaths of his own voter base as well.
But the fact that the meaning is obfuscated in discourse doesn’t change that people voted for this, because there was ample evidence of the true meaning, evidence that can only be ignored purposefully. They voted for this, they voted him for “America First”. It’s like driving home without thinking, with the brain fully on autopilot. People know what they’re doing, even if they’re not thinking it through.
Elbows Up!
oh, why?
We will fuck those muricans up! ELBOWS UP!!!
Very inadequate response so far. G7 meeting did not result in any unity with G6.
It is straightforward to destroy US auto industry and agriculture. Export tariffs on energy, materials, potash. Stop reciprocal tariffs on China. China just tariffed US auto parts. Canada specializes in these. Great idea to get closer to Europe, but they do not have our back, and its not producing any results so far. Democrats definitely not a check on US empire/extortion.
It’s very easy to get a cost advantage in Canada for auto industry. Export tariffs provide revenue support for subsidies to ensure it. Fuck WTO rules, until “fake emergency” is revoked. Force automakers to side with Canadian plants. Michigan provincehood. Cancel all US military cooperation, kick them out of NORAD, demand refund for all F35s, and cancel rest without paying penalty on corruption grounds. Exterminate Boeing orders.
Immediate diplomacy with China, North Korea, Russia, Mexico. Hoping that other colonies choose Canada friendship over US boot licking, should be read as a long shot, unless we/they coordinate on destroying US auto, aerospace and weapons industry.
Where Trump/US (stop saying this is “one man” or even one party responsible) is very successfully keeping the colonies divided against China, and begging for submission to US military evil. That is precise path that loses our country. It’s time to commit to destroying US economy, until they back down, and we gain a better relationship than we had before.
Sorry Tankies, we aren’t going to run to China, Russia, and NK just because the US is starting act more like them.
You had me until the “China/Russa/NK” part…
Do you really think a good solution to the US slowly going haywire over the past 20-30 years or so is snuggling up to dictatorships, of which two have boots on the ground in the first major European war of aggression since WWII, and the third is the only thing keeping the economy of the other two afloat? I think not. I think alienating said dictatorships is a good idea. I also think the US needs to be confronted and forced to make a decision on whether it wants to remain on good terms with the civilised world.
HumanSpiral is a tankie who comments a lot. Have him tagged as such and I recommend you do the same, because these guys are prolific commenters trying to slowly normalize relations with Russia/China. It’s good to spot them early so you can move on.
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russia: Invades neighbouring country, causing hundreds of thousands of deaths.
Ukraine: Defends itself.
Pretty much everyone: Tells russia to stop and to leave Ukraine.
Russia:
NATO started this lmao gottem
Do people like you really fall for this?
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Amazing your ass hasn’t been banned for disinformation you lying bot
war is not amazing for world. Clinging to your view of reality is destructive for Canada. It is unfair to call peace advocacy “a bot”.
the US-Canadian border has been one of, if not the, most peaceful borders in the entire world.
the most peaceful and mutually beneficial border on Earth.
Tell me your views are extremely America-centric without telling me.
The only way you can have those views is if you know nothing about the EU at all.
“In the last 100 years”… European borders were not peaceful for that long
The US and Canada haven’t fought since 1812. Which European border of a major super power has a longer history of being close allies?
The UK and Scotland shouldn’t count because Scotland isn’t a sovereign country, they are a state of the UK that has lied about retaining their sovereignty for 500 years (which is why they have to beg England for permission to even hold an independece referendum)
Spain and France shouldn’t count because Spain worked with the Nazis in ww2 and wouldn’t help France.
Quite a surprising one here: I think the Norwegian/russian border can actually match that. I believe Norway is the only country neighbouring russia that has never been invaded by them (sans WWII, where they invaded Nazi-occupied Norway and willingly left after the Axis was defeated).
I also think the Norwegian/Danish border has been conflict-free for some hundred years (to be fair, we were in a union for ≈450 years ending in 1814). We’ve had some skirmishes with the Swedes throughout the years, but I believe the last one was in 1814.
Norway and Denmark don’t have a land border. Thus including alliances in general the Anglo-Portuguese one dates back to 1373, with only 60 years interruption when Portugal was in dynastic union with Spain which in modern terms could be called an occupation.
…and this isn’t just a technicality with both nations being big on seafaring you can consider the water between them a highway, French cannons nonwithstanding.
I’m not quite sure if you’re disregarding the fact that Norway and Denmark haven’t had a war for hundreds of years because they don’t share a land border? In any case i can point out that there were plenty of Norwegian-Danish hostilities before the union time. With both Norway and Denmark being big on seafaring, the waters between Norway and Denmark have historically been seen much more as a highway (as you say about the Anglo-Portuguese waters) than anything else.
The distance is shorter though, so I would rather compare the Norwegian-Danish border to the Anglo-French border, and the lack of a land border there hasn’t really prevented any wars.
Norway occupied parts of Greenland for a while, 1931-1933, I’d call that an act of aggression against Denmark and thus a war even if it was ultimately resolved peacefully and the claim didn’t concern the Danish mainlands.
I had forgotten about that! However: That wasn’t sanctioned by the government though if I remember correctly, it was done by civilians that requested governmental military support which was refused.
Switzerland? Apart from a bit of aerial bombing during WWII it’s been a pretty peaceful border since that time Napoleon invaded.
I considered that, but Switzerland was under seige by fascists on 3 fronts from 1939 to 1944 (the Nazis pressured the French-Swiss border and Italian fascists pressured the Italian-Swiss border)
The US and Canada haven’t fought since 1812. Which European border of a major super power has a longer history of being close allies?
What’s the definition of “being a close ally”? You’re using the date of Canada and USA last conflict, but for Spain and France you’re using political alignment.
I think Portugal and Spain also make a good candidate if we’re looking back only until the early 1800’s. The border itself had a few changes but they were peaceful IIRC, the last conflict was 1801?
On a separate note, the quote says has been the most peaceful and beneficial, so it’s not so much as a matter of peaceful for the longest time. Even if EU borders weren’t peaceful way back, quite a few of them are so peaceful nowadays that they barely register as existing. In terms of most beneficial, I’m not sure how to analyze that.
It has been detrimental to the many first nations whose lands have been divided.
To be fair, historically speaking, Europe’s borders have been all but peaceful.
Fair, but on March 26 the initial Schengen-Borders will have been basically nonexistent for 30 years.
Canada and the US have been close allies for 200 years. The last time they fought was 1812 Edit: I was wrong, we have only been close allies for 130 years
Not 200 years. The last major direct conflict was the War of 1812 but relations weren’t rosy until the Great Rapprochement starting around 1895. The period inbetween saw the Fenian Raids, Patriots’ War, Britain’s tacit support of the Confederacy and the Trent Affair, and disputes around the Oregon Country and Alaska border. Hell, Confederation happened mostly because of fears of the US’s growing power after its civil war.
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This headline is subtly dismissive.
“Angry” and “right now” both suggest a transient state. That’s not what we’re seeing.
“Canada has finally had enough of the USA” would be a more apt title; or “Canada reaches its breaking point.”
Alongside of the #Never51 hashtag is an almost equally frequent #NeverGoBack. Canada, as a nation, as a people, are making the decision to go their own way, and never be so beholden to any country as we have been to the USA since 1959.
Never. Go. Back.
I hope you’re right, but the public’s memory is short.
The public’s memory is immaterial. The public really has no long term power. Decisions are made for us by politicians and businesses.
They’re the one’s who need to remember that the US has threatened their positions.
Voting with your wallet doesn’t make for sustained, long term change. It requires too much work, and it’s umder constant attack by marketing.
The public really has no long term power. Decisions are made for us by politicians and businesses.
If you had said short term I’d agree with you, it’s all politicians, but over the long term public will has made a lot of changes the Lords of old would not have approved of. Getting reelected is hard and even safe seats aren’t forever.
We do not live in a dictatorship, and we don’t have to pay bribes to the local RCMP or say nice things about the Prime Minister like we would in a dictatorship. Hell, businesses can’t even donate the same way as voters in Canada, all they really do is whine and threaten doom.
Some of the public are people like me. I stopped giving any money to Blizzard back when they made StarCraft (II?) require a Battle.NET account…or was it patching out already present offline LAN support? It was also hearing about shitty labor practices and workplace harassment at some point. My memory of why is pretty spotty, but the “don’t give Blizzard money” part has stayed crystal clear for decades now. I genuinely don’t remember why I first blacklisted EA games (might be commitment to DRM, might be just because they’re such a shitty company), but it’s on that list for life.
Heck, between 3rd-party DRM, loot boxes, and everything from “crunch time” development cycles to transphobia, I’ve been all but done with AAA gaming for several years. I could hardly be a gamer at all any more, if not for the rise of indie gaming, but that’s not really my point right now.
The point is I remember the important, actionable bits. And I think most other Canadians will also retain their simple conclusions that won’t need re-evaluation. After this, they’ll have a solitary pedestal in their mind palace just to store one special conclusion from all of this:
Fuck the U.S.
And after floundering around for a bit, Canadians will find the indie trade they love; in a few years, they won’t even miss AAA trading.
Congratulations on being part of the minority who keeps track of things like that. A lot of people just kind of go by their gut on every individual purchase.
As usual in politics and generally anything public facing, it’s not that people are literally incapable of remembering and understanding, as much as just not interested enough to do so.
Yea, in the US it lasts less than 4 years.
That’s about right everywhere. 2 is a big ask, only huge scandals last that long.
Most people just aren’t that into politics. They still vote, though.
I used to be angry.
I still am, but I used to be, too.
What happened in '59? Avro Arrow?
The other thought I had was NORAD but my quick googling points to 1958 for that, and 59 for the arrow.
another one issue that I considered was the King-Byng affair, but that was in the 20s
Lmao, I’ve got a bullet for every magat fuck that crosses the border. Last thing they’ll hear is a tree speaking French
Ah, the French Canadian spirit!
Brb gotta affix a bayonet on my shovel.
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Please stop radicalizing yourself and others. This is a conflict manufactured by Putin to sew disharmony between allies. There are better solutions, don’t stop looking for them.
Also, you may have just placed yourself in legal jeopardy. Fucking be cool.
Lol. Putin of course had a lot to do with it, but he targeted american trump supporters for a reason. They are particularily susceptible to manufactured division, they are subhuman hateful violent trash. I will gleefully kill the magat cultist freaks when they come to Canada. I have no doubt that Trump will try to send the military, and I have no doubt that his cultists will go along with it. Best of luck to anyone who wants to pursue “better solutions,” but I have been politely debating the issues for 10 years with republicans and they have only gotten crazier and crazier over time. The republican cult media ecosystem is pretty unanimous in their support for the annexation of Canada. This cannot be tolerated, not even 1 word of it. The line was crossed. There is no going back now, there is only one way out of this situation and its the expulsion of all the magats from the world. Send the cops to come arrest me. I won’t pretend that things are normal while the US prepares their citizens to accept Canada as an enemy that deserves to be attacked.
I agree with a lot of your points, but take a step back dude. You’re in too deep. Plan for the worst, sure, but don’t lose your humanity.
subhuman
you sure you’re not a fascist? you have some alarming things in common with one.
thank you though for providing a pitch perfect example of self-radicalization. i don’t think you’d even argue with that characterization, you’re proud of it.
Absolutely. You will find out soon enough why my characterization of the magats is justified.
It’s incredible seeing an almost exact replica of MAGA radicalization but that is fueled by hatred of the MAGA group instead of (American) democrats.
Humans are fucked.
Edit: I guess people misunderstood my point, the magas are wrong and fueled by lies and alternate reality, whereas the other commenter is fueled by self defense and hatred of the maga. But the Maga are convinced in their stupidity to be in the same self defense mode of the “other” who they’re told are bad
Your comment actually kept me up last night ngl. There is no way that is your actual take right. Hypothetically, lets pretend we are both in Czechoslovakia, and Hitler is about to invade. If I am really pissed off at the Nazis, because they are fueled by misinformation and unjustified hatred of out groups, does that make me the same as the Nazis? Like, was the worst thing about the Nazis the mean language they used, or was it the substance of their beliefs?
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Yeah and it worked. Canada and the us are fully enemies at this point. The best solution is for the what remains of the us to rise up and stamp out this dictatorship before things go too far.
Oh yeah? Is defending your country against an invasion illegal? Fuckin’ dweeb
This is a conflict manufactured by Putin to sew disharmony between allies.
It’s sow, not “sew”. But yeah, basically. He’s smarter than he gets credit for, not like it’s hard to fool someone like D-bag, but still. He saw a juicy opportinuty to manipulate a western bootlicker, and he got 77m other idiotic bootlickers to meme him into office.
Putin is absolutely extremely intelligent. Just also very evil.
im with you 👊
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it would be great to remind americans how many sniping records get broken by canadians. start making that gear domestically, if you don’t already. maybe start taking out tires on trucks with american plates. just so they know how unwelcome they are, and if they want to take something across the border, it had better be a canadian getting paid to do it.
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I’ll be on this side of the border lighting off freedom displays of fire works to signal every raiding party heading over.
I’m putting a new scope on my crossbow as we speak. Reusable ammo is an underrated perk.
I am interested in hobby archery. Can you suggest a crossbow?
I’ve been unhappy with them for years tbh its kind of nice that i’m not alone now. Is anyone else finding it hard to access things on reddit now? Just today, I can click to read about pandas and fluff but try to click on anything canadian tarrif related and nothing happens, can’t read it?
Trump’s goal was to sow division
Everything’s going to plan
Except he got divisions in the USA and unexpected unity in Canada.
That’s EXACTLY what Putin wanted. Hell, that’s what Putin’s aide wrote as a blueprint for destruction of the west, a decade or so ago.
With a division between the US and Canada
as instructed by daddy putin
As they should be. This administration is trying to bully them into being the 51st state for absolutely no reason. So dumb and unnecessary!
You have oil. Always look at what he or putin sees as bringing in lots of cash.
And water. Remember he just ordered the release of the reservoirs in California so now they’ll have none in the summer. One guess where he’ll come looking for some
He’s doing an excellent job of derailing the rework of the Columbia River agreement the PNW has been working on too. Goddamnit.
