• kamen
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    184 months ago

    I’d argue that deploying from one codebase to 3+ different platforms is new functionality, although not for the end user per se.

    I wish though that more of the web apps would come as no batteries included (by default or at least as a selectable option), i.e. use whatever webview is available on the system instead of shipping another one regardless of if you want it or not.

    • @[email protected]
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      But if your tool chain is worth anything the size of each binary shouldn’t be bigger. To oversimplify things a bit: it’s just #ifdefs and a proper tool chain.

      In the web development world on the other hand everything was always awful. Every nodejs package has half the world as dependencies…

  • I Cast Fist
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    74 months ago

    “Program is slow? Just get better hardware, brah!!! It’s cheap, bruh!!!”

    Fuck you and anyone that thinks like that

  • @[email protected]
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    Paypal has 500 mb and just shows a number and you can press a button to send a number to their server.

    It’s insane

    • @[email protected]
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      104 months ago

      Has to send a number to Apple’s server too! actually not even sure if that’s client side.

      • kratoz29
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        134 months ago

        LMAO, he also made me check it.

        347 MB for me, no wonder why I am always struggling with storage for my 128 GB phone (with not expandable storage of course), and I don’t even have that many games, even less ROMs 😅

    • @[email protected]
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      174 months ago

      Check out the apps Hermit and Native Alpha. They make web pages run like an app. I’ve only run into a couple sites where they don’t work right.

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        Native alpha sounds good since it’s foss and uses vanadium’s webview. Are you still logged in to paypal (any annoying website) a couple of months later. Or does it revoke your rights after a while?

        I only use it rarely and I hate providing my info for 5 minutes just to do one transaction.

  • @[email protected]
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    It’s just that we have to make space for our 5,358 partners and the telemetry data they need.

    • @[email protected]
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      44 months ago

      That still wouldn’t account for it. The code to collect this is tiny and the data isn’t stored locally. The whole point is for them to suck it up into their massive dataset.

  • Dr. Wesker
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    514 months ago

    It’s the secret sauce, called unnecessary frameworks and user analytics modules.

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      With that in mind, I LOVE how lean and fast some FOSS apps/projects are. One of my motivations to go searching for FOSS alternatives is when something seems slow for no reason.

      It’s not always the case, but it’s often the case

      • Björn Tantau
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        KDE Plasma has been getting so much more efficient with every release that you can almost recommend it for low-end systems.

        • CronyAkatsuki
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          I remeber using plasma on a weak 2016 160 usd laptop with no issue in 2018, I can only imagine how much better is now

    • @[email protected]
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      94 months ago

      I wouldn’t say skill issue, more of time issue. You only get a week to implement something. Quicker to use existing libraries than try to optimise yourself.

      • @[email protected]
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        It’s both, and they are in a sense the same.

        Cheaper less skilled or less experienced programmers take longer to get similar results. One week with a a skilled programmer is a lot more value than one week with an unskilled programmer.

        Even more if you want to invest some of that experienced programmer time to get the new guy up to speed.

    • @[email protected]
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      Nailed it. Things have changed to allow cheaper (interpretable in several ways) developers to create “good enough” software as quickly as possible. If that involves inefficient frameworks, technology, and practices that unlock this, then so be it; if the “best” code is the code that makes money, and money is what corporations prioritize above all else, and there is a way to do that quicker and cheaper, the outcome is obvious and now ubiquitous. Furthermore, if nobody at the top cares, why should anyone on the ground care? The problem compounds.

      Priorities are fucked.

      • @[email protected]
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        34 months ago

        inefficient frameworks

        I’d like to object to that. Frameworks are often built by dedicated and paid developers, so they tend to be above average in terms of efficiency. But being frameworks, they have to facilitate lots of use cases, so they also tend to be bigger than what you would write if you had 6 months to roll your own. And 36 more months to kill all the worms that got out of the can, to mangle a proverb.

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        If it runs “fast enough” on a completely clean system that would cost the average user $1500, then companies assume that that means that it is a good product.

        If you want better software, you have to give developers worse hardware to develop on, and more time to develop.

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          If you want better software, you have to give developers worse hardware to develop on, and more time to develop.

          Shhh. There could be application development managers listening… (I’m joking… Mostly.)

    • @[email protected]
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      And analytics. And offloading as much computation to the client, because servers are expensive and inefficiency is not an issue if your users are the ones paying for it.

        • @[email protected]
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          The Samsung shop hands out 1.4mb JSON responses for order tracking, with what I estimate 99% redundant information that is repeated many times in different parts of the structure.

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      Web “Apps” are also quite bad. Lots of and lots of stuff we’re downloading and it feels clunky.

      Sometimes that’s bad coding, poor optimization, third party libraries, or sometimes just including trackers/ads on the page.

      • @[email protected]
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        204 months ago

        Some devs will include a whole library for one thing instead of trying to learn another way to do that thing.

        • chraebsli
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          A whole library which was meant to to 10 things, but you only use one. And that for x libraries

        • @[email protected]
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          74 months ago

          Nowadays libraries are built with tree-shaking in mind, so when it’s time to deploy the app only the code that’s actually used gets bundled.

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        434 months ago

        I vaguely recall a recent-ish article that an average web page is 30mb. That’s right, thirty megabytes.

        It’s amazing how much faster web browsing becomes when I run PiHole and block most of it.

        Suddenly the TV is pretty snappy, and all browsers feel so much smoother.

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        That doesn’t make the software take up more space on a drive. Optimizing is likely to result in a slightly larger install that runs more efficiently.

  • @[email protected]
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    Bloatware, spyware, scope creep from middle managers feeling uncomfortable letting a dev have a slow day.

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    Cheaper & faster development by leveraging large libraries/frameworks, but inability to automatically drop most unused parts of those libraries/frameworks. You could in theory shrink Electron way down by yoinking out tons of browser features you’re not using, but there’s not much incentive to do it and it’d potentially require a lot of engineering work.

    • @[email protected]
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      194 months ago

      Yep. Apps are 20x bigger with no new features…that you are using.

      Let’s not forget that the graphics for applications has scaled with display resolution, and people generally demand a smooth modern look for their apps.

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        In the case of normal apps like PayPal graphics shouldn’t be a huge factor since it should be vectorized and there is pretty much no graphics in apps like PayPal.

        The issue comes from frameworks.

    • @[email protected]
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      554 months ago

      Yeah, though the joke is funny, this is the real answer.

      Storage is cheap compared to creating custom libraries.

      • UnityDevice
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        44 months ago

        Storage is cheap on a PC, it’s not cheap on mobile where it’s fixed and used as a model differentiator. They overcharge you so much. Oh, and they removed SD card slots from nearly all phones.

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          Nah it’s fine. Clean up used apps every once in a while. Base phones have more than enough space.

      • @[email protected]
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        Also the storage is the cost for the user, and google in the case of play store. So the developers have no incentive to reduce the size.

    • @[email protected]
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      Bro, just use AI, bro, you don’t need developers, bro, also skip the testing, bro, who is going to hack your SaaS, bro

      • @[email protected]
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        124 months ago

        Just let ai code bro its so much better and more reliable, just does what its told it works so good bro, ai is the future its so smart.

  • RedSnt 👓♂️🖥️
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    I just updated Epic Games Launcher. BEHOLD:

    1st update

    2nd update

    Almost a gigabyte for a mostly blank interface, wtf.

      • @[email protected]
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        134 months ago

        God, I hate Corsair. Not only do you need to download their garbage software to fucking turn off the RGB on a headset, you have to have it running or the RGB will turn on again!

        • KillingTimeItself
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          14 months ago

          ironically, i’ve found that razer has particularly good open community support on linux.

          It’s actually pretty good. Works, unlike synapse, which is fucking malware that tries to reinstall itself repeatedly.

          • @[email protected]
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            44 months ago

            Thanks for sharing that. My device isn’t listed, but I’d be surprised if Corsair changed how their shit works that much between devices. I’ll give it a try (it supposedly even works on Linux <3)