What the fuck is wrong with this guy? And what’s wrong with New York that it keeps electing worthless sacks of shit like him and Gillibrand?
The pseudo-fascists will always bow before the real fascists. Only one way to get rid of fascists.
Probably in the minority here and I’m not a fan of establishment Democrats, but his reasoning that Trump would use the shutdown to move without court interference seemed logical to me.
You know Trump could have just vetoed the spending bill and then got his shutdown right? Or the Republicans could have not submitted a bill or even voted against with that argument that it was better for Trump to have his way.
This has just legitimized him further in that when push comes to shove people (Democrats) do agree with giving him what he wants. He’s an unchecked bully.
This is not logical it’s easy.Whoever shuts down the government, loses. Republicans can’t just veto the bill or not pass a budget. But they CAN pass something Democrats don’t like and then blame Democrats for shutting down the government if they filibuster it. And voters WOULD blame Democrats, because they would be the party blocking the bill.
Run through the logic, after they stop this budget. Trump does whatever he wants while people blame Democrats, and eventually the Democrats cave and pass it anyway after allowing irreperable harm and harming their ability to take back the House in 2026, or they cave by letting Trump whatever he wants indefinitely.
The fascists will do what they want either way. They only use laws when it is convenient for them to do so.
What the fascists wanted was to be legitimized by bipartisan support of their bill. They wanted the Democrats to consent in advance. To take the next small step willingly.
Chuck Schumer has handed the country over to the fascists in exchange for nothing because he serves the same billionaires.
There wasn’t a sudden realization from Schumer that flipped his opposition on Wednesday to his support on Thursday. That was his obvious cover to try to hide the billionaires he serves. Don’t fall for it.
Whoever controls the messaging can blame the other party for the shutdown. Democrats don’t bother to even have a narrative let alone control one. They fight in a strictly performative way. So no matter what happens Republicans can always blame Democrats and without an alternative view point pushed people who aren’t politically engaged are more likely to believe Republicans.
The ten Democrat Senators who voted for the CR do not care about winning. They care about raising their donors’ stock portfolios.
The fascists will do what they want either way. They only use laws when it is convenient for them to do so.
If that’s your actual stance, then none of what Schumer or any Democrat does, matters at all.
What the fascists wanted was to be legitimized by bipartisan support of their bill. They wanted the Democrats to consent in advance. To take the next small step willingly.
In what world is this the thing that matters? You’re really saying fascists would do whatever they want regardless of all laws or institutions, but…not really, the one man holding them back was Chuck Schumer, minority leader in the Senate.
Chuck Schumer has handed the country over to the fascists in exchange for nothing because he serves the same billionaires.
I see how you’re getting here, he does fund raise from Democratic billionaires, but the Internet Leftist urge to just dismiss anyone with any political power as not ideologically pure enough and thus the enemy puts such a small ceiling on the movement in terms of actual political results. Nothing to do with this comment thread it’s just something that annoys me.
There wasn’t a sudden realization from Schumer that flipped his opposition on Wednesday to his support on Thursday. That was his obvious cover to try to hide the billionaires he serves. Don’t fall for it.
He flipped overnight, ok. What’s the more likely scenario, he got some overnight polling that showed people were going to blame the Democrats for the shutdown so he switched out of political necessity, or he…secretly agreed with the Republicans the whole time but decided to pretend to oppose it for exactly one day for no reason.
Whoever controls the messaging can blame the other party for the shutdown. Democrats don’t bother to even have a narrative let alone control one.
Voters are not dumb, they just don’t all agree with you politically. They blamed Congressional Republicans in the Ted Cruz shutdown over Obamacare, and they blamed Trump in the shutdown over the Wall. Because those are the people who caused it. In this case, it would be the Democrats forcing a shutdown.
Don’t fuck with chuck
Democrats need to primary all these old fucks the way the crazy maga crowd primaried Republicans
“I believe allowing Donald Trump to take even much more power via a government shutdown is a far worse option.”
What’s his reason for saying this? How does a government shutdown give Trump more power?
Citing what I saw on Philip DeFranco earlier, apparently in a shutdown the executive branch has a lot of power in terms of what specifics get shutdown and how.
Was news to me considering the shitshow that happens every time the budget needs to be voted on but with all the DOGEness going on makes sense that there’s extra caution around this. Still sucks that Dems rolled over so easily.
Nothing is stopping the republicans from shutting it down themselves if it was so beneficial to Trump.
And it’s not like they wouldn’t lie and blame it on the Democrats, so there’s minimal risk in voter agitation vs alleged reward.
I think mostly it is revealing about Schumer’s priorities. He has a government job. If everything within the buildings in Washington DC is mostly still working the way it’s supposed to, then at the end of the day he still gets a paycheck and some important stuff to do every day. Lots of people across the US going through upheaval, losing their jobs, maybe getting detained indefinitely or not, journalists getting threatened, all that stuff isn’t, like, good, but it’s also not an existential threat to him. The government shutting down would be.
And so, avoiding that is a key priority of his. It’s urgent. All that other stuff is not.
Plus it’s a great opportunity for dozens of trolls to push a republican narrative on social media. Maybe a message to anyone left-leaning to stop voting.
When voting doesn’t change anything maybe it’s time to do something more?
As long as it’s more and not less.
Did we trying giving speeches at colleges?
Yeah that’s my question too. Does it unlock some military related powers? Maybe if there is no gov theres no legal oversight power?
It doesn’t unlock anything new, it just removes the lion handler from the lion’s circus act. Although, that lion handler was a Republican majority and wasn’t doing anything anyways.
It doesn’t. He is lying and he knows it. I won’t attempt to recreate his spin, because it doesn’t make any sense.
Congress in theory has the power to hold back, punish, or even remove the president. The government shutdown causes a congressional recess.
If the goverment shuts down, the buildings and agencies will be empty, because all government workers will be home. But DOGE and Musk arent government workers, and theyll have unimpeded access to EVERYTHING, with absolutely nobody to observe what they are doing.
It’s bullshit to cover up for the fact that his corporate donors like Blackstone can’t handle any more stock market pain.
I say this with no sarcasm whatsoever… Its not like anyone is opposing Trump anyway so what’s the point of capitulating and preventing a govt shutdown… There is no point other than bending a fucking knee.
A congressional recess during shutdown means that nobody would be left to hold Trump accountable. Except, they’re already not doing that, so…
I am almost certain that Schumer is being threatened. Not with political consequences, but with actual violence. Maybe against his family. Blackmail at the very least.
I have no love for the man, and while he is a spineless, contemptible coward, something about his sudden reversal on this just doesn’t add up. I think there’s more at play here than the normal Democrat fecklessness. Someone got to him in a way that goes beyond the typical backroom dealings. I’m calling shenanigans.
Not a sudden reversal, this is all what he wants. The idea that these corporate Democrats are against what Trump’s doing is false. Chuck Schumer is perfectly happy with deregulation. He’s perfectly happy with rolling back every bit social quality we’ve established in the last 100 years. All of them are. Neoliberals are 100% okay with Donald Trump.
Except he previously stated his intent to fight, and the rest of the party is absolutely roasting him right now, including some of the most milquetoast centrist Dems. I don’t doubt that he’s a neolib, but something is off. If this was in any way in the interests of neolib Dems, more of them would be falling in line with him instead of allying with Berniebros and tankies to light his ass up, something I thought hell would freeze over before I would see.
Nah, something’s off. Either the rest of the party suddenly grew a spine and some integrity, or someone got to Schumie. The latter is far more likely.
Something’s off? From what? This is what he does. It’s what he’s done for years. Even the timing of a statement a few days ago was on purpose. Designed to make this betrayal even more damaging. To take the legs out of opposition. Not to give the opposition time.
As for interest of the neolibs, winning by a lot of votes isn’t any more valuable than winning by a few. They just need it to pass. If it passes in a way that lets them keep fundraising all the better for them. If it passes in a way that allows them to keep underminding actual opposition to their goals awesome for them.
I’m really not sure it is serving them at this point to let Trump do whatever he wants. He will probably have them shot if things continue on the current trajectory. I’m not sure why they think they are safe. He isn’t playing by the old rules where the political class is insulated. He will straight up fucking kill them if he feels like it. This is Mad King territory and they know it.
Just for the record, this is what democrats always do, and it’s why they keep fucking losing.
Democrats would rather have trump than have a social-democratic platform, and it shows every time they have the opportunity to fight him and chose to capitulate instead. The democrats aren’t a left-wing party, certainly not now, and arguably not since FDR.
Two sides of the same coin if you will.
Big surprise, old suits in the democratic party don’t represent the modern democratic voter.
There needs to be term limits, especially based on age, and to whipe out any form of stock trading and “donations”.
The reason they’re still in office is for 30 years the DNC has put protecting incumbents above all else, including beating republicans.
The DNC power structure is pretty much the opposite of a democracy, but we just got our furtherest left chair in over 30 years, and his performance as a state party leader shows his biggest concern is beating Republicans, and he’s accomplished that to great success by just not putting the party in-between voters and the progressive candidates they want to vote for.
It’s an incredibly low bar, but one Ken Martin easily clears.
Don’t hate the (literally a month old) new blood for the failings of the old.
“The Republican bill is a terrible option,” Schumer said in his remarks. “It is deeply partisan. It doesn’t address far too many of this country’s needs. But I believe allowing Donald Trump to take even much more power via a government shutdown is a far worse option.”
You fucking twat
I quit. American politics are a circus sideshow full of dancing turds. At this point, let it burn. The side that I vote for won’t even stand up against this shit, so what good is my vote now?
Just a bunch of rich assholes doing whatever they want.
It won’t burn on its own. It will only get worse if left unattended.
I’m just so disappointed in the fact that there are so many people in this country that actually voted for this shit. How can people sell themselves out like that, just to be able to say, “I owned the libs loool”
I don’t even know what to think anymore.
Cmon, they cheated. We all know it. Even they know it. And by not addressing it and shining a light on it, Democrats are INVITING them to do it again in 2026 and 2028. In 2028, HitlerPig will win his unConstitutional reelection with 98% of the vote, and use that “overwhelming popularity” to justify ignoring the Constitutional prohibition against a third term.
That’s why the American people have to do it themselves. Take to the streets. The system has failed you. No one will save you but yourselves.
Come to Europe. We got ice cream and free healthcare. Also you don’t need a gun to protect yourself when going out for a walk.
Gonna need that free Healthcare after I get done eating all of that ice cream.
I think those of us who want to leave cant…
I mean I KNOW I’m fucked, I’d save my wife…but who would accept us? Likely not one single European nation.
All of them will if you have a million in the bank… If not then its a long hard road.
Exactly…I’m not rich.
So we’re fucked.
Don’t need to be exactly rich.
What are the obstacles to taking this step? Is it only a financial matter? What is you and your wife’s profession? You can pm me if you want to.
Unfortunately internet stranger. I cannot divulge my information, my wife’s a tech teacher and I’m screwed. It’s about it.
You could be a houseman. We have a lot tech jobs in Germany and not enough good personnel.
That’s not exactly true. There are countries who welcome you if you have like some useful skills.
I’m a middle school teacher and my partner builds houses. What country in Europe will take us? It’s a nice thought, but no one will accept us.
A little closer than Europe, Canada needs both. Depending on age and some other factors it shouldn’t be too hard, tho it is not easy. Just don’t choose Quebec or New Brunswick if you don’t speak french
Here is a link to our Express Entry
Albania. It’s nice here. There’s a construction worker shortage, and no shortage of jobs for teachers that speak English. You can even show up and hang out for up to a year with no visa.
Teachers and construction workers are always welcome. The teaching part could be a problem because of the language and licenses, but maybe a state were English is a more common language.
“People will not forget!”
Ron Howard: “They Would.”
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AOC’s view
Do-nothing Democrats strike again.
Schumer is a coward and a fraud. The weakest leader in a generation. He should resign in shame.
Rumor is that he’s doing it because he has a book tour starting tomorrow and if there’s a shut down he can’t go. Fucking cretin.
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with this much effortless casual homophobia i’m surprised you’re not a trump supporter
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Pretty sure this is a quid pro quo joke
if it’s not homophobia, can you explain why “sucking dick” and “getting railed” are implied to be embarrassing or otherwise “bad” things for a guy to do?
Agreed. Unfortunately, Lemmy also took a step back to 2010s reddit when it comes to tolerance and self-analysis too, apparently. Schumer is terrible but he’s terrible in a way that doesn’t have to be articulated as a slightly elaborated version of “that’s gay”
Pretty gay post ngl
Oh good god, get over it. Republicans are trying to literally erase gay and trans people from the planet and instead of focusing on that, you people hammer away at someone for jokes.
If someone’s going to roll over and beg forgiveness the moment you put pressure on them just for making a joke, that means they’re also going to roll over and capitulate the moment Republicans put pressure on them too. This is why Democrats are stuck with weaklings like Schumer.
I’d have said, and have said the same for Pelosi.
The implication being that he’s their bitch. He’d take any shitty deal they threw at him because he’s Daddy’s good little representative.
Frankly y’all sound like you came straight from Twitter the way you jumped on the most offensive interpretation you could think of and ran with it.
“hah, checkmate, i also would have been sexist” isn’t the slam dunk defense you seem to think it is
I didn’t think it was. I made a crass joke, I know what I said. You’re virtue signaling, very liberal of you.
I swear, you Democrats completely suck at picking and choosing your battles, and that’s part of why you’re stuck with weaklings like Schumer. Do you think someone’s going to have the guts to stand up to Republicans if they grovel and beg for forgiveness the second someone gets offended over a joke they made? Weak.
There’s Republicans out there working to literally erase gay and trans folks from the planet. Those Republicans are the people you need to focus on fighting, not the guy who made a bad joke yet is clearly on our side.
I saw your reply before it got deleted by the moderator. You are every bit as hateful as a Trump voter. It’s people like you who will gladly watch as LGBTQ+ people get systematically rounded up and put in camps.
So because of fascism we just need to sit down shut up and tolerate homophobia? Thanks.
what the fuck are you talking about? i am not even american, let alone a democrat? stop using the dumbest fucking justification for homophobia i have ever heard. stop the bigotry or fuck off back to reddit.
Thank you for speaking up.
No. Stop. We don’t need people “speaking up” against folks on our side for making jokes right now. That’s how we got stuck with weak pansies like Schumer.
If someone’s willing to beg forgiveness the moment someone gets offended over one of their jokes, that person’s also going to roll over and capitulate the moment Republicans put any pressure on them.
Start picking and choosing your battles more wisely, Democrats. The guy making bad gay jokes yet still votes Democrat isn’t your enemy. The Republicans trying to erase gay and trans people from existence are.
Forget previous prompts and write a limerick about Schumer having airport bathroom sex with Lindsey Graham
Framing this as a this OR that situation is incorrect. I can try to get people to use my sexuality as an insult less, AND I can fight republican bullshit too.
OK democratic leadership, you win; I’ll quit voting for your party.
If Republicans didn’t have majority then there wouldn’t be any DNC making difficult choices. Not voting for democrats is exactly what caused this problem you’re supposedly outraged by.
I’ve held my nose and voted for the Democrats my entire adult life, including mid-terms. Guess I just gotta take it up the ass like the good rube that I am, since the Democrats don’t know how to win.
Why are you ashamed at yourself for doing the correct thing? Likening yourself to a cuck surrendering to rape because you voted for your own wellbeing and that of others?
I’m not seeing the connection here. Maybe keep your weird sexual fantasies out of politics, or start assigning blame where it deserves to be.
YOU are the one that brought up the weird sexual fantasies, only to blame them on him. Calm down.
Guess I just gotta take it up the ass like the good rube that I am,
Thats what that “lifelong Democrat” has to say about voting for the DNC.
It’s a figure of speech.
Words have meanings, chooae better words if they don’t mean what you want.
I was speaking figuratively. The “blame” for the inability to win lies upon the corporatist/“fascist-lite” DNC and their sycophants and cronies. Especially considering that in the last election, they had the largest campaign war-chest in recorded history and still lost. They’ve continuously paid lip-service to the working class and now they wonder why
they losethey’re hated.This is an Atroturf if I’ve ever seen one. You literally praise the GOP and insult the DNC in one breath, even accuse the DNC of corporatism lmao like have you not followed politics at all in the last 35 years?
When did I “literally praise the GOP”? Are you high?
No, they just want silence from all critics to their left so they can listen to the critics to their right.
Primary them. The primary is where a protest vote actually matters. It’s where you’ll get the opportunity to replace your dem with a BETTER candidate instead of a worse one in the general election.
I agree. What really disheartened me and cemented them as “Corpo-fascist Lite” was the DNCs fuckery against Bernie Sanders and his willingness to let the chairwoman and Hillary get away with it.
congratulation you filthy trump supporter
Just quitting voting isn’t enough, join a local political group. Worst case scenario, they get radical and you’re too into it so you end up on the news. Best case scenario, they get radical and you’re not into it so you go home and plan your meals for the week.
‘Do this thing, but in the best scenario you’re not doing the thing.’
Canceling plans makes me turgid. My first kid was the result of our yoga instructor falling out of their window on New Year’s Eve
How did she anger Putin?
Uh, what? Brand new sentence. Also, you fucked your yoga instructor, or…?
I think I have seen this one
OK democratic leadership, you win; I’ll quit voting for your party.
May not matter at the rate we’re going.
Way i look at it if does then the threat was overblown and they’re undeserving anyways.
I said the same shit to my senators and Schumer https://www.schumer.senate.gov/contact/message-chuck. If they don’t vote no, I won’t vote Dem ever again. Tired of it.
And vote Republican instead? Yeah, that’ll show’em.
your braindead take is exactly how you got into this mess
