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Summary
The US tourism industry faces a major decline as harsh immigration policies deter visitors.
High-profile detentions of Western travelers have led to a forecasted 9% decrease in visits, reversing a previously expected 5% rise, and risking a $64 billion loss.
Germany and the UK updated travel advisories following detentions of citizens without clear visa violations.
Canadian tourism also dropped significantly amid tariff threats. Denmark and Finland warned transgender travelers about entry issues.
Experts cite anti-immigrant rhetoric and unpredictable enforcement as key deterrents.
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Look, I’ve been to the states a good 7 or 8 times and I’m really very fond of the place and the people generally. That includes the, hands down, best summer of my life on a college visa.
I will not be going back there until shit calms down. I just can’t gamble on the notion of spending weeks in a cold, overly bright shithole cell on the whim of anyone on the way through just for a holiday when I can spin over to any country in Europe and just get a smile and a “Welcome” from the border security on my way in.
It just wouldn’t be a rational choice.
edit: I just want to add in that the EU pumps an enormous amount of money on the Erasmus scheme. If you’re not in the know the idea is to get kids in college in one country to do a year of the course in another country in Europe. The only real goal of this is to make people realise that they’re just like everyone else in Europe so we never have an internal war again and it is (along with a few other bits) the best money the EU spends IMO.
I will not be going back there until shit calms down.
Don’t expect it for a long time. You talk about the Erasmus to teach people they’re just like everyone else to prevent an internal war.
Here in the states, I honest to god cannot see how our two sides can come to a peaceful resolution and that terrifies me.
There is no means to a peaceful resolution when one side actively dreams of genociding or enslaving half the other side
Pretty much.
Hell, they want to enslave a chunk of their own side. Shouldn’t be long until it’s illegal to be too poor.
I feel like there is a /s I missed. It’s already illegal to be poor here. Don’t have a house/apartment to sleep in? Crime.
Can’t pay taxes? Crime.
Wanna stay warm by burning a Tesla? Crime.
I know folks in Georgia, S. Carolina, and N. Carolina who’ve never been more than a couple hours drive from their birthplace in their entire lives.
Same from Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma…
Yet they think they understand how the world works better than anyone.
Yup, utterly clueless about how 90% of the rest of the world actually lives.
Too bad they are loosing this easy and pleasurable source of income with lots of jobs that do not require a college education but can pay very well, if done right. I am a traveled European and worked and lived all over the world, and visited the United States for business and pleasure several times. There are many amazingly beautiful places to see, as long as you avoid the big cities. Immigration services at the customs where always nerve-wracking with their intimidating questions, but I see that now as a necessary good thing, seeing the influx of immigrants in my own continent. It has been some time I decided never to go back because of the social problems, but the Everglades, Yosemite, Grand Canyon and Redwood trees in California are engraved in my memories for ever.
A 9% reduction seems low. I’m curious to know emigration numbers (I’m getting out of here myself)
it’s only been 2 months
Most of the trips that have happened in February and March were planned and often paid for before that time and couldn’t easily be changed or cancelled so many went ahead. There will be a continuing drop off. Airlines are reassigning their planes because so few Canadians are booking trips to the USA, even as a stopover to anther country. Some border businesses have already lost 50% or more of their business.
None of the researchers in my lab go to conferences in the US anymore (there is remote participation since covid).
I am starting to wonder how Americans would vote now if trump allows another election?
Trump supporters continue to vote red despite decisions effecting their lives in profound ways.
Look at the anti-vax response after their own child dies of a preventable disease. It’s moronic.
That’s looking increasingly like a big “if”, unless you mean a Russian style election.
I’m pretty sure we all know how everyone would vote if given the chance to do it again. I only wish those that didn’t would have the humility it takes to admit they made a huge mistake.
Are y’all ignoring that he has a 54% approval rating last I saw? Americans want this. Those of us who don’t are going to be systematically silenced and eliminated.
Not as of yesterday … Source
Just wait a bit more. The real pain has not yet set in. Wait until they have to decide whether to keep their mom alive or feed their children. It won’t take long.
It wouldn’t matter how people vote. Trump and Musk will be controlling the results.
I live in a red state. We have a method of voting individual bills into our constitution as a majority process.
We have voted in a reform to get big money out of our politics. The Republican majority in the state forced another vote with the most obfuscated language to get the state to overturn it. We have voted time and time again against Right to Work which is an anti-union bill. The Republicans have constantly tried to get it to happen. St Louis managed to get its police out from under State control, leaving Kansas City the only state in the nation with the state controlling the cities police… until the Republican ran state forced St. Louis back under its control.
We voted in a higher minimum wage and guarantees for sick leave. We also voted in protections for abortions overturning the harshest ban in the state. These were overwhelming majorities. We as a state also overwhelmingly voted Republicans in, who have just overturned the min wage and sick leave bill, and are trying to figure out how to overturn the abortion protections.
So if we had a COMPLETELY free and fair election. I guarantee you, at least the portion of the country I’m in, would still vote for anything with an ® next to their name.
What about their threats to a G7 ally? Does that contribute to the dropoff too?
Good, this gives me a little hope that the rest of the world is starting to understand how awful the US is, and that there just might be a few actual consequences for that awfulness.
The nature and scenery in the US is honestly stunning, and you’re lucky to have the NPS to make all of it so accessible.
In saying that though; there is natural beauty everywhere you look in the world and it’s very easy, and often cheaper to go elsewhere.
and you’re lucky to have the NPS to make all of it so accessible.
Give it a couple years…
Years is optimistic
Note this means tourist areas should see prices drop on food in grocery stores because the supply was being created pre-decreased population. The decreased cash flow will hurt businesses and the suppliers will decrease production as to not have to sell at slim to no margins which will bring the prices back up soon enough (or the farmers/distributers will go out of business themselves).
It will give people in those areas a false narrative for the time being though because they will be happy about lower prices and less car traffic… But all the resteraunts will have less patrons, and less money going to servers, less jobs to be had eventually.
I doubt prices will drop as fast as bankruptcies will increase because the distribution chain has that price inflation and it will react slowly. The tighter the margin the more quickly the business will fail.
Employment will also drop quickly because firing people is a fast and easy way to reduce overhead so service quality will dive off a cliff.
But, hey, less traffic! Yay!
Do not under any circumstances come to America. We are experiencing a Nazi take over.
Go home and campaign for your leftist party to protect yourselves from the disease.
Somehow, Nazis have returned.
It’s like I’m loving real like call of duty Nazi zombies. They’re back.
A few weeks ago, I told my Canadian coworker that if she leaves to see her Dad, as she does at least once a year, she might not be able to come back. She just laughed like I was joking.
And nobody’s seen her since…
There’s more than a few Canadians who think it can’t happen to them.
I won’t be bringing my non-USA citizen family to the USA for a holiday for at least the next 4 years. Even with a perfectly good visa, folks are getting detained. In the past I would spend more than $10k for roughly a month long visit on them (not including airfare to the USA). That money will now go to the EU or Japan.
Coming in May myself, anything I should know about how best to behave and handle interactions at the airport to get through safe and quick?
Encrypt your laptop, turn off face unlock and don’t let them unlock your devices.
Unless you go as far as having hidden partitions with a fake benign fascade this isnt good enough. How it goes is they plug your laptop into their forensics software, it reports encryption, they say unlock the encryption, you say no, they deny your entry and confiscate your hardware.
The only way I know of is to format a clean laptop and burner phone with nothing on it and put all your necessary work files in the cloud so you can get them back after getting to your hotel – and even then I’ve heard people denied because it was clear the machine was formatted too recently and they suspected people trying to do this trick and they dont like tricks.
so your burner laptops and phone have to look “lived in” but still benign. It’s much easier just to video chat whatever business youre trying to get done in the usa, and if you’re a tourist there are lots of better places to go anyway.
Wait they can just take your laptop and keep it? I’m not even in their country yet. Crazy
Wouldn’t matter if you were a citizen. Civil Forfeiture is a thing here. If the authorities think your property was used, or was intended to be used in a crime, they can seize it. Your property doesn’t have constitutional rights, so they can literally hold a trial against your stuff, with no legal representation and keep it permanently.
Do they do this to everyone, or are they using the skin color chart to “ramdomly” choose?
A little bit of both TBH.
Get travel insurance too!
Make sure: you have the correct visa, know the address you are staying at, have an exit flight and can prove you have enough money to fund your trip, you can explain the purpose of your trip, prepare to surrender social media passwords and have nothing remotely critical of Trump or the US on it and you have no suspicious contacts. Prepare to have your privacy invaded.
Why even go visit the US? There’s nothing worthwhile to visit. And fatty american food I can get in almost any country
Come visit Canada instead (: pretty much the same, but you won’t be detained at the border.
For much of the world getting a Canadian tourist visa is harder than a USA tourist visa.
50% of U.S. tourists come from Canada and Mexico.
Not anymore, Canada has its elbows up.
I really wanted to visit this year to for the first time, but instead I’m going to Canada and I’m really excited!
Canada is very similar to the US except not insane and colder.
Yes. Don’t come to the south-western part where it’s rainy but warm. Pleugh. Very expensive.
Avoid the posh hotels in Ucluelet (land in tahsis nearby if you don’t like the drive) or the beaches in Tofino. Or the forests around port Renfrew (YCD airport to skip that drive). Bleugh. Terrible. Not a Starbucks in sight.
Vancouver too. Yuck. (YCH/YVR). Pretty blue glass and excursions to pretty bridges and hills and trails. Focus on the san-fran style homeless issues and high cost of your trip.
Definitely Do Not go see ucky Canada. But we’d love to have you and hope you have a great time.
Welcome! Hope you have a lovely time!
Glad you’re avoiding our shithole country. Wish I could say the same.
Just a warning: both nations are huge, and depending on where you go you’ll have a very different experience.
Generally in Canada, the colder the climate, the warmer the people, so you have to decide how much you value both.
Looking forward to seeing you round here, eh!
Who in their right mind would want to visit to US at this moment? It’s a clusterf*ck and even with a visa and a return ticket you could be detained.
Man, I was going to go to a wedding there that was super important to me but now I’m SO torn.
That’s a shame! I can understand you’re torn about it
Sometimes they detain people as they are trying to leave the US.
True!
On Friday there was a meeting at work where everyone insisted that they will not go to the US office anymore.
