Its a space of 1meter×1meterx1meter, basically a cubic meter where the matter replicator works on. (So, no replicating cars, since its too big)
How do you min-max this?
You say it can create an object of a single M3.
I create a second one by replicating the parts.
May take a while but when the second one comes online the third one will be even faster.
I feel the astounding energy needed to create matter would be the reason for the cooldown, so having more than one would make little difference.
My reading of the question implies that the replicator has the cool down. so having a second one will have an independent cool down.
It can’t be the energy. It has to be a matter rearranger, not something that makes matter from raw energy. Consider a cubic meter of water. It will have a mass of 1000 kg. By E=mc^2, that water has a mass energy of 9e19 Joules. New homes in the US are built with 200 amp panels, delivering power at 120V. The typical new home can draw up to 24,000 Watts from the grid.
At this max output, it would take a house 120 million years to draw enough electricity to create a cubic meter of water from nothing but pure electrical energy.
So this thing must actually work as a matter rearranger. You provide it a supply of pure elements and it synthesizes from there. Or, if it’s fancy, it creates elements by rearranging nuclei. But it can’t be something that truly creates matter ex nihilo.
This sounds like owning a 3d printer.
I’d use it to make food
It only takes one person to make 1 cubic meter of black hole to destroy the biosphere by ripping Earth into an acretion disc.
It’s a matter replicator, I don’t think a black hole is matter?
A black hole is nothing other than extremely condensed matter.
Ah, i thought it was a hole in space or something like that, so the absence of anything, and even space was something, but not matter specifically.
It is worthwhile to note that the above is highly reductive. A “black hole” is the sort of “hole” in spacetime you’re thinking of. It is caused, however, by gravitational dilation of spacetime by an incredibly high energy density. If you stuff enough matter and energy into a tiny enough space, the gravitational force will be strong enough that no other force in the universe can keep it from getting closer, and closer. Even the forces which keep neutrons and protons from combining with each other will be surmounted, as the energy density increases asymptotically toward infinity. This tiny point of effectively infinite density is the black hole’s “singularity”. Surrounding this singularity is a region where anything (matter, light, space itself) that gets within that range cannot escape. This is because objects have escape velocities based on their masses. If you’re going fast enough, you’ll fly away from the earth never to return. If you’re not going that fast, eventually you’ll fall back down. The further you are from the earth, the easier it is to escape it. The “black” part of the black hole, called the “event horizon”, is the distance from the singularity at which the black hole’s escape velocity is equal to the speed of light, meaning that, closer than that, nothing can escape it. Hence why it’s “black”, because no light is escaping from it. Technically, a black hole is not perfectly black due to hawking radiation,
and a black hole with a 0.5 meter schwarzchild radius would probably be small enough to visibly glow (just a bit).(probably not, see below)According to a random black hole calculator I found, a black hole with a 0.5m radius would be over 56 earth masses and the temperature would only be 0.000364 K. So, still orders of magnitude less than the cosmic microwave background.
I know smaller black holes evaporate faster, but even that little thing (according to the calculator) would have a lifetime of a gargantuan multiple of the age of the universe. Like roughly a number followed by 45 zeros, times the age of the universe.
The calculator: https://www.vttoth.com/CMS/physics-notes/311-hawking-radiation-calculator
Thank you! I didn’t feel like checking with the difference in masses, and based my assumption on Stephen Hawking’s statement that an earth-mass black hole (with an event horizon the size of a pea) would glow from Into The Universe: The Story of Everything. It seems he exaggerated, assuming this calculator is accurate and my understanding of its values is fair. Such an exaggeration is disappointing, if not entirely surprising.
A cubic meter of the core of a neutron star would still count as matter. While it probably wouldn’t literally destroy the Earth, I wouldn’t want to be on the same…continent…when that thing went off.
super dense matter
So you would have to replicate a percent of the mass of the sun. Seems feasible. The electricity bill would be nuts, but the world is ending anyway.
Use the replicator to make power duh
I like the concept of destroying the biosphere by shredding the entire fucking planet, lol.
Using a calculator I referenced further down in the thread, a back hole with a 0.5m radius so that the event horizon would fit within the cubic meter would have a mass of over 56 earths. We’d be proper fucked!
Talk about giving power to the masses, governments beware or we go boom
Can… Can I replicate myself?
If you’re short, yea.
Dwarf army!
I’m average. I know I can fit inside a cubic metre
You can replicate yourself when you were a kid…
…wait a minute, what are you trying to do? I think its illegal. 🤨 📸👮♂️🚓
I’m an average woman, at 168 cm height I can easily fit in a cubic metre if I crouch or lay in fetal position.
I often feel like I could accomplish so much more if I had a clone. Just one, more than one clone would become an expense
Anyway if that’s not an option then I’d replicate a variety of:
dollar bills.
Jewellery, gold and precious gems.
Computers, and phones, especially if I can sell some of its parts such as the graphics card
Other luxury items such as parfum, spirits, etc
Eggs
I don’t know, I feel most of these things would lose their value pretty quickly if everyone had a replicator. Kind of like what AI is doing to the creative arts. Only this time it would be the rich getting affected, not struggling artists
- Alien: Why do you want to replicate things for money?
- Mothra: So I can buy the things I want!
- Alien: Can’t you replicate the things you want instead?
- Mothra: This thing can replicate admiration?!
This thing can’t replicate a house. I know, I know I fit inside a cubic metre but having a house that size is a bit restrictive. I was hoping for something more spacious.
- Make a nuclear bomb. You don’t need a whole ICBM, a single MIRV warhead can fit in the available space.
- Threaten to set it off if everyone in the area doesn’t give me their fabricator.
- Expand operations/nuke delivery range.
- Have a monopoly on the means of production again.
This is how people brainwashed by capitalism would use it to deprive us all of the post-scarcity future. We can only hope some more reasonable people also think of making nukes first so we can at least have some mutually assured destruction to preserve the fully automated luxury gay space communism.
This is how people brainwashed by capitalism would use it to deprive us all of the post-scarcity future.
That doesn’t work out. Unfortunately.
Reason:
When it was politicians who fought the Cold War, they were few who had actually a say, and these few got some minimum brain, at least.
But in your scenario, it is random jerks who execute that scheme everywhere. There will be some who pull the trigger just for … all kinds of stupid shit that has triggered them. So you’d have nukes going off somewhere, at least every few days, and then nobody can really rule the world anymore with them. The power of the threat will be gone.
Politicians didn’t fight the Cold War. It wasn’t pasty fat men in their 60s training the Mujahideen in Afghanistan or on the front lines of Korea or any of a dozen other proxy wars. Politicians, as a rule, tend to avoid things that pose a serious risk to their health (which makes it kind of ironic that they tend to spend their careers putting other people in proximity to those things instead, doesn’t it?)
Eh… maybe one or two. But most people (like the politicians above, funnily enough) tend to have a pretty strong survival instinct. I agree it would absolutely be chaos, but most people wouldn’t think of making a nuke, much less know what kind of nuke they should make, or even how to make one in a 1m3 box, they would just get regular guns and chemical weapons and shit. Still lots of chaos. Just less radiation.
Mujahideen in Afghanistan or on the front lines of Korea or any of a dozen other proxy wars.
I do not count these as the Cold War.
Proxy wars have their special funding and maybe false motives, but they are hot wars. Real wars.
The Cold War consisted of threats. Piling up weapons, bombs, nukes, and counting and comparing who’s got more of them. These threats were made mainly by politicians. Maybe I was wrong in saying they “fought” it.
…okay. Historians do, though, so I hope you understand if I go with them on this one. Also those were just examples, if you don’t like them there are plenty of other proxy wars you can pick from to see my point illustrated pretty much everywhere.
That’s fair though, it was more than just one thing, and like most things in life it’s far more complex than it seems on the surface. I just take particular exception to any suggestion that politicians in any way risked their neck for literally anything ever.
Why do you go for a MIRV if your warhead doesn’t even leave the atmosphere?
Not MIRV, a MIRV warhead - as in a single warhead from the payload of a MIRV missile. And the reason is because regular warheads wouldn’t fit in the 1m3 space.
Day 1: create 264 gallons of water (probably enough for a month)
Day 2: create a cubic meter of food (also probably enough for a month)
Day 3 to next rationing: spend thinking of all the awesome things I could create but end up getting overwhelmed and doing nothing instead
Additional day 3: be overjoyed that you can just replicate your basic needs, so you now can work less (or not at all). All that free time! Think of all the projects xou could do!
Start by replicating junk food and beer and sloth around until the evening of Day 29, panic, make plans for some way to big Project for Day 30. Day 30 replicate stuff you need for the project. Before properly starting, realize you forgot to
buyreplicate some crucial stuff buthome depot is now closedyou’ve already used the replicas quota, be discouraged, overwhelmed, give up, promise “next month is going to be different!”.Day 2: create a cubic meter of food (also probably enough for a month)
Now I’m just imagining a cubic meter of spam.
overwhelmed and doing nothing instead
I’m in this comment and I don’t like it
Well, that gives you infinite energy, since you can produce energy-containing stuff.
Hmm.
On one hand, a lot of competition for resources go away.
On the other hand, that’s also pretty disruptive.
I think that that world is going to have a lot of sudden challenges. You don’t have scarcity of any material or existing item that you can break down to less than a 1m cube unless you need it in great bulk, but you also have no ability to control production of things like firearms, explosives, drugs, physical proofs of identity, missiles, weaponized drones, etc.
I can imagine countries or organizations trying to seize the supply of replicators.
You might like the novel Singularity Sky. It’s about a planet, artificially maintained at a 19th-century tech level by its authoritarian government, which is suddenly visited by a post-scarcity civilization. Cellphones begin to rain from the sky all over the planet and whoever picks one up is given an offer: Tell us a story and we’ll give you anything you desire. One person asks for a self-replicating replicator with a fully stocked blueprint library and it ends up being extremely disruptive in many of the ways you’re imagining.
It’s called a 3D printer.
Everyone’s talking about money, but I’d try to eliminate costs. First day I make some food and a couple of (full) power banks. Next few days I make some food and solar panels.
I know you say no cars, but I have family I’d trust to put one together. (I’d trust them to take mine apart to work on it.) The only odd part would be body panels? Similarly I’d try to figure out some small housing a cubic meter at a time, but that’s probably also a work in progress.
I’d mix in a few personal items over the coming days of course. A new PC, new clothes, and food variety. I don’t know how to get rid of Internet and land costs. I wonder if the resulting economic crash might lead to that being figured out for everyone, but I somehow doubt that.
family…trust them to build a car…guys! I found Vin diesels lemmy account!
The moment you try to min max the economy will fall apart. Replicate new PC parts? Cool, but now intel/AMD/Nvidia will go bankrupt, no more development. So I guess you could min-max the economical revolution. Capitalism doesn’t appear to make sense in a world with near endless access to anything.
Personally I’d get heaps of food and water
I hate that by now, I have found a way for capitalist to bill you anyways.
Nah, economy would suffer and adapt, but not technology or science. Engineers still would get together and work on new designs, but not for money.
Seriously, we don’t give a shit, if we have enough to eat and buy some fun toys we’re thrilled to keep up our mad experiments.
Have fun living in a 1m3 house.
Wait… So getting ample food and water to common people is a downside to capitalism?
Yea you are right, if people are fed and satisfied. They wont be needing any unnecessary stuff that feeds the capitalist.
Even if you didn’t want to use it for money, you’d have to use it for money somehow just to keep up with the inflation.
In Stephenson’s “Diamond Age” novel, even the super poor had basic access to in-home replicators. They were limited to pretty basic items, but they were available.
With everyone having access to basic goods, the rich people would go to villages of artisans that would hand make items to get unique, one of a kind things, as most crafts were now basically lost skills to most of society.
Throughout the story, the tech is explored and eventually hacked to upend society by removing limits on what can be generated by the replicator.
Given how greedy people are, probably gold or diamonds.
Well, with replicators scarcity becomes worthless. Diamonds, money, etc. so they’d probably replicate stuff they’d find pretty or beautiful to wear on them
Look at those nerd wearing condensed coal.
Day 1, I replicate a replicator kit and put it together. I also contact a realtor and let them know I’m interested in buying some land. Off grid, far from cities, doesn’t matter.
Day 2, I replicate two replicator kits and put them together.
Day 3, I replicate four replicator kits. I’ve now got eight of them. I’m not sure I’ll need sixteen, at least not right away, and my basement is starting to get a bit crowded. So I’ll leave it at that for the moment, but the moment I think I need more replicator capacity I can have it.
Plot twist: every replicated replicator degrades slightly in subtle ways, like making glass less smooth, or making food taste a little bit stale. After the fourth cycle, bananas taste a bit like warm mayo.
Thanks for the input von Neumann.
Tea. Earl Grey. Hot.
One cubic meter of it.
Classic prank at the Academy - never play it on a Nausicaan.
The AI summons an extremely attractive and buff version of Charles Grey. He is holding a cup of tea and wearing absolutely nothing.
Damn,
daddyCharlie looks like he could be packing.Damn these AIs are getting good at understanding exactly what I want.
