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i don’t think highly of people who smoke but I think much less of people who think it’s cool. at least if you’re embarrassed and apologetic about it I will still consider you a person.
Americans are lame, aren’t they?
not in this aspect, they have better attitude towards smoking than most of the world
I wouldn’t say that. In most of the world it is discouraged, but in the US they are zealots when it comes to smoking.
There is nothing criminal about smoking, and people should not be ostracized for it.
Fuck smokers! hahaha. Mmm lung cancer, sounds awesome
It’s a serious public health concern. It affects everyone.
It affects everyone that smokes.
It doesn’t affect me to inhale the second-hand smoke of the asshole smoking at the table next to me? I think it does.
yeah because the smoke carefully avoids nonsmokers.
In my experience it seeks out nonsmoker’s.
So, the health effects of smoking are born only by the smoker? There are no economic impacts on the general public? Not to mention second-hand smoke.
Having a healthier society benefits everyone. Having a large portion of the population engage in behaviors that hurt public health is harmful to everyone.
That isn’t to say it should be illegal necessarily, but it should be heavily discouraged. That includes by government policy.
Because second-hand smoke doesn’t exist…
it should be criminal and people certainly should be ostracized for it. fuck smokers. I’d rather have heroin addicts in my vicinity.
Did a smoker fuck your wife, by any chance?
you’re the one cucking for smokers so I don’t know what you mean. but my wife doesn’t smell like shit all the time so I can safely say no.
smokers infringe on the rights of everyone around them. they can suck shit. hell, they’d probably stink less if they did.
I mean, I can hardly imagine someone unironically being that hostile to smokers. There must be some sort of trauma going on. If not your wife, then maybe someone else was fucked by a smoker.
“No me toques, Frog.”
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If you smoke, please just find a faster way to kill yourself
I think thats a bit too rough, you need to calm down a little :)
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Actually, let me update those wishes a bit: Not only do I hope your kids become smokers, but now I hope one of them gets a fulfilling, high-paying job as a tobacco company executive.
And after that? May your house be struck by lightning and burn to the ground, and the only thing that saves you from living under a bridge is the fact that your wealthy tobacco company executive offspring can afford to just buy you a new house with his hard-earned tobacco blood money, so that way every day you live your life knowing that your existence is subsidized entirely by smokers.
Bro why are you so defensive about a bunch of poison-belching stink bombs?
Bro why are you so defensive about a bunch of poison-belching stink bombs?
^ See, funny thing about me is that when you say things like that, my brain actually interprets it as “Not only do I want you to smoke right next to me, but I also I want you to blow all the smoke right in my face after every puff you take”.
Presumably because they’re just people, and don’t deserve death wished upon them?
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Okay, how about we compromise? How about I just put up a sign that says “if you don’t like the smoke, get the fuck out of my bar” and that way, you can just choose for yourself whether or not you’d like to give the place your business instead of expecting everyone else there to bend over backwards just to accommodate you?
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Smokers are a minority. Far more people are non-smokers than are smokers. Bar owners who cater to smokers are shooting themselves in the foot.
Wrong. Actually, most club/bar owners really don’t want people like YOU there, because nobody wants you pestering their customers and driving people away.
Lots of people who like to drink, dance and party avoid bars because they don’t like smoke.
^ See, here’s how I know you’re full of BS: I live in a major vacation area and there’s only one single non-smoking club in the entire city.
Hawaii banned smoking in all buildings open to the public and within 100 feet of the entrance of any building open to the public. Not one bar or nightclub was forced to shut down. The idiots were just forced to poison themselves in private.
Then move to Hawaii. I know I’d feel better if people like you were stuck on an island hundreds of miles away from the mainland where you can’t bother the rest of us.
Also, I’d like you to know that every time I encounter an annoying Smoking Nazi like yourself who love giving holier-than-thou lectures about smoking, I instinctually light up a cigarette while they give their anti-smoking lecture, and I intentionally blow the smoke right in their face.
it’s important to remember that these are everyday people who have fallen into an addiction that they desperately would like to quit but can’t.
I do understand your anger though. It is very very annoying and harmful for everyone else around smokers and you are justifiably upset about that.
Instead of being mad at the bottom level people, you should be mad at the billion dollar companies selling people these highly addictive drugs that ruin lives.
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I was addicted to alcohol for a long time. I get that addiction is a rough road but when I drank alcohol, no one was forced to drink with me.
Naah, instead of “forcing” people to drink with you, you ended up blowing way too much money on drinks for a stranger you just met because “you like their face”, bet that person $100 that you could piss in a cup from across the bar, then when the bartender asked you to stop you asked her to “show you her tits”, then punched the stranger you bought a drink for earlier because “you don’t like their face”, then after getting kicked out of the bar you call your ex at 2 in the morning proclaiming your undying love, right before driving wasted to get back home and end up t-boning some poor soul and putting them in the hospital.
Y’know. The standard type of stuff alcoholics do when abusing their drug of choice. But by all means, tell me more about how I’m the worst person on the planet because my cigarette happened to bother you a little, Mr. Chug-A-Lug. 😉
Addiction sucks. I quit 2 years ago. It does feel nice to breathe clearly.
I hope you have kids and that they start smoking in their angst-ridden rebellious phase and become lifelong smokers because of it.
Not only that, but I also hope every time you get to see your kids, you smell smoke on their clothes and when you do, may it remind you of this time on lemmy when you said all smokers should find a faster way to kill themselves.
Having kids with the world as it is? That is entirely too cruel. Have some heart.
Unfathomably based
How come this type of xenophobia is acceptable?
wat
Anti-american is hot now… I mean it was before too but it is still right now also!
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Jesus Christ Milady posting has made it to Lemmy.
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No.
You don’t pull that thing out for anyone but Harambe, okay?
the implications of this reply are so funny after it got deleted 😭
Funny considering tobacco is a solid American good
Not really. Im not sure the US even produces enough for themselves anymore.
You know what they say…
When in Paris,
Run away.
J’ai trouvé le français !
(American) clock is right twice a day…
Why are you here?
Asshole, don’t make me smell your shitty tobacco, Atleast vapes conceal the smell
They don’t, you still stink but now of menthol or whatever other flavour you picked
Except that you aren’t required to use a flavor. I don’t use any flavor for many years and the only thing that could anyone others would be the cloud.
I don’t vape for fun, I vape for my nicotine addiction. The flavors made the switch easier but after the switch, I phased out the flavor. Now I don’t smell like an ashtray but you can see me from a distance and I visualize where my bad breath smell from my lunch and my germs are in the air.
i’m with you on the no flavor thing, I make my own vape juice and I use a box mod, shit’s completely inoffensive and nearly free
I would literally rather stick my nose in a dirty diaper than smell a cigarette. The flavour scents are such a huge improvement that I don’t have the words to properly express this.
I mean, I’d much rather smell of fruit custard than smoke.
Vapes create a gigantic cloud and it smells quite bad.
Both are bad, but vaping is just even more annoying.
Amen. Its also not just water vapor… If it was people Wouldn’t vape. A lot of people have issues with the garbage they put in vapes… But gigs are worse for me personally.
Cigs are worse objectively, when it comes to health
I’m 45+ and French. This seems very misleading as smoking has been declining a lot the past couple decades.
Did it actually? I remember going to france like twice a year like 30 years ago. And my observation was just: everyone smokes.
When the indoor smoking ban started, i felt like people stopped. Same as over here. But now i feel like at least as many people atarted smoking again. But i haven’t really been in france again in the last 10 years.
Between 2000 and 2019 the number of cigarettes sold in France has halved.
Wtf? How much are people spending to smoke these days??
They spend to finance there tabacco dealer a bi-yearly trip to the border. I don’t trust this type of graph. Every smoker I know buy most of his consomption from a friend buying it in bulk over the border. And it’s a 6 hours round trip. Not the next town.
But also the taxe do reduce their consomption.
6 hours to me is the next town (of any size), and the sort of thing one would do every other weekend. How do the French see it? Is that considered an annual trip distance?
Metropolitan France is a very urbanised country and not that big. I don’t think there is a single places that would required more than 3 hours trip to a town. And even for 3 hours would be for small but hard to make distances like going down from very deeps in the montains trought very small roads.
In 3 hours to the frontier, you drive over 300 km. The people I know that go to Luxembourg to buy tabacco in Bulk go every 2-3 months tops.A 3 hours trips is not that long but you have to drive all the way. There is no realistic planes, trains or buses options. That’s not something you do when have every things you need much closer and no real other reason to cross the border. For regular people a trip to Luxembourg or Belgium (slightly longer the same driving time) would be a once-in-a-year vacation weekend. It is different in parts of France when there is trains. Trips are more commun, less tiring, much more pratical.
This is an official statistic from Germany, but I guess it will be similar for France. Red is female, blue is male.
Yeah it really shifted, still way too many people smoking but vaping + price hike did some good.
What’s the smoking rate like? In the US, it’s pretty much non-existent in public and only done by old people stuck in their ways.
I don’t have stats with me and in very much biased by my experience. Around me, less than 20% smoke but I believe it’s anecdotal.
It’s quite rare seing someone with a classic cigarette.
In 2022, an estimated 16.4 million people (8.4 million males and 8.0 million females) aged 15 years and older were tobacco product users in France. This positions the country as the 14th globally and the 3rd in the WHO European Region in terms of number of tobacco users.
And as someone who works in the service business, I can confirm that there’s a decent amount of smokers.
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Only smoking Virginia tobacco is boring, if I were to smoke I would try Cavendish, Lakatia, and other more spicy and interesting varieties and blends of the plant.
France, where you see cops throwing their cigarettes on the ground as they enter the police station
Britain, where you see smokers outside the hospital doors when you go to an Editors concert.
Vapers minding their own business, pretending vaping is healthier.
Vaping is unquestionably healthier. Not good but cancer sticks are pretty high on the list of unhealthy shit.
Is there enough data to support that claim? Not really disagreeing, i genuinely don’t know. There was a time where your doctor would tell you to smoke camels, because these are the healty cigarettes.
The UK did a lot of research on it iirc, there’s the first thing from google a study from 2022.
People make a big deal about the metals in the coil but I think people forget if you’re smoking cigarettes tobacco has heavy metals too and many other things like sawdust and formaldehyde when vape juice is like 4 ingredients you can make yourself.
Full disclosure, I don’t vape, but I did from like 2015 to 2020.
Had a wretched smoker’s cough for years, took me an extra 10 minutes to cough it out and get out of bed. Stopped 2 weeks after going to vaping.
OTOH, 10 years later vaping became too much, now I do those nicotine pouches. Very happy with those.
I never smoked but that’s consistent with whet my best friend has told me about when he switched to vaping from cigarettes, along with he doesn’t get out of breath as easily anymore.
Compared to smoking? Probably.
Almost certainly, but there are some caveats. Vitamin E was added to some around 2020 and that really fucked people up. The much higher nicotine percentage could also be doing damage we haven’t had enough time to fully understand as well. There’s also concern around the metal coils breaking down, especially when people ‘dry hit’ or use a coil after it’s spent. That being said, normal vaping is almost certainly safer than smoking
Vitamin e was added to counterfeit THC carts and fucked some people up around 2020, it’s not my understanding it ever made it into nic vapes they just used the THC carts as pretext for flavor bans of nic juice.
I feel like vapers vape more on average than smokers smoke. This is purely anecdotal, but if its true, then that complicates things.
AFAIK, you have to apply nicotine quite frequently to achieve a steady state and avoid withdrawal – every 30–45 minutes. 10–20 years ago, every single smoker I asked smoked > 20 cigarettes. Today, almost all admit to only 10–15, which is pharmacologically too infrequent and triggers multiple withdrawal–relaps cycles every day, worsening the nicotine addiction.
To handle drugs which are so addictive, you need a stable steady state, not fluctuating pladma levels. If you want to lower your dose, you cannot lower the frequency, you have to lower the dose of each application.
If vapers would vape every 30–45 min ≈ 20/day, they would stabilize their nicotine level, which would enable them to reduce the dose of nicotine over time.
10-15 a day works presuming you aren’t awake for all 24 hours
It doesn’t work like that at all. Not everyone who smokes has a pack a day habit. It varies wildly and doesn’t require some uniform steady state.
Someone who has a morning cigarette just wants a morning cigarette. Social smokers may not even smoke everyday.
It’s just that those who DO make the habit more frequent, pack a day etc., will maintain THAT level.
Those who use vaporizers are able to create different patterns because of the nature of the device. Doesn’t have a finite time limit like a single cigarette and differing nicotine amounts, etc.
Depends on the strength of the juice. If you have one with more nicotine, you aren’t gonna need to puff as much.
Also, there’s a non-zero chance it’s THC or something else as well.
I definitely got my vape more than I used to smoke cigs. However it’s only one or two puffs usually. A whole cigarette is many more puffs.
I don’t know if it equals out or one is more. I will say vaping feels better than cigarettes.
Pretending? I’m not gonna say vaping is healthy, but it definitely isn’t as bad for you as cigarettes. I made the switch years ago just because I wanted to see if I could stop smoking cigarettes, and within the first week or two my lungs felt noticeably better. I’ve been gradually lowering the nicotine level in the juices I use and will hopefully ween myself off vaping too.
I had the same journey and now have been smoke/vape free for 2 years.
Boom, same. Must be like 3 or 4 years now. It’s a great tool for that if you don’t fall into the hobby trap.
Same. Was smoking 2 packs per day for a while. Completely switched to vaping. Lowered the nicotine content of the juice a couple times and eventually was able to quit entirely. Been almost 6 years now.
I’m not sure what the scene is like now that all the strong cartridges and disposable devices are more popular. Back when I was doing it most people used box mods and it was easy to find juice in any flavor and strength you wanted. I remember things got pretty wild right around when I quit actually, with many states doing temporary bans and eventually banning flavors and stuff
This is the right way to vape.
Should be used as a way to quit smoking.People that vape as an alternative to smoking cigarettes end up chain vaping. It’s just too convenient.
It’s what it was advertised as originally, but then brands realized they could boom in sales by dropping that act and making cute, colorful cartridges with a shit ton of flavors that appeal to teens. Some girl had these iPod case looking ones that were flavored like pineapple banana or smth. Hell they make vapes disguised as school supplies now.
There’s a lot of people who didn’t do drugs at all that started with vaping (Truth Initiative has a 2020 study about it, I skimmed it tbh), and it’s especially bad in middle and high schools. I saw people hitting huge fucking clouds in the middle of a classroom, near the teacher’s desk. One idiot made a cloud in our dark classroom with the curtains shining sunlight on him, so they had to close the blinds and fan the cloud so he wouldn’t get caught.
They know full well they’re creating future addicts and eventual cigarette smokers, and they don’t give a damn.
The Netflix doc also covers how Juul hired the wrong guy to do thier commercials.
He’s the dude famous for making the iPod pastel silhouette commercials. Hip and sexy.
Juul started by wanting to help people quit. Then some influencer was vaping on stream and it blew the hell up in short order amongst younger crowds.
What really pisses me off is the synthetic THC Juul carts teens were smoking that fucked them up. They did that to themselves by trying to do drugs using a Juul. Juul and the legit vaping industry took all that backlash. The news and even CDC spouted bullshit in the name of sparing kids. No one clarified that they were smoking bootleg weed (illegal drugs) and Juul/legal vaping wasn’t at fault.
So adults that were vaping to quit ciggs switched back to ciggs to never quit. I was a vaper during that time and I can’t tell you how many people I set straight when they said “that’ll kill you” while they’re smoking ciggs.
That’s why i ditched my dab pen a few years ago. It was just too easy to lay on the couch and hit that all night, becoming ungodly high without realizing it. Now i go outside an smoke a joint so i EARN that ungodly high
Ditto. Coding for hours on end chugging coffee and pulling on a nic stick wasn’t a healthy lifestyle.
Well, I certainly can’t burn the house down anymore.
Or just stop smoking?
i quit for a year and a half, then i made the conscious choice to get back on it because life is so utterly shit i might as well enjoy my vices
Hey look it’s a person who’s never been addicted to anything
It is, in fact, possible to quite smoking. I was a regular smoker for a decade. My fiancee asked me to quit, so I did. Haven’t had a cigarette or vape since. That was over a decade ago.
Yes, it’s difficult, and not everyone is able to quit as easily as I did. But don’t pretend like it’s impossible to quit.
I’m not pretending it’s impossible. I’m saying that someone whose advice is “well just quit then” doesn’t have a good understanding of the problem.
No, no… they’re onto something.
Ignoring the realities of addiction is what they’re onto
The reality is that it is hard to quit, but even addicts who haven’t even tried will tell you that. I think it should be encouraged.
Not an option in France
