Eat heathy, and live a long life? Jesus christ, who has the energy for that?

my energy isn’t a magic spell. it comes from my habits, diet, sleep, and social support network. I do my best to cultivate each of these. when I lived in a toxic place, I moved. my government is still evil (as it was last year) but sometimes, on good days, it seems like people are starting to wake up. that would be very consequential.

I’m not perfect; I am drinking too much. so yeah I do get where you’re coming from. I used to drink too much soda, too, but it was not actually all thatdifficult to cut down from 3 a day to one a month. all my brain needed was one soda to look forward to, didn’t really matter when it was. and then once I got to that point, I was feeling sooo much better that there was a very clear mental map from drink-soda to feel-like-ass.

What’s worse than living in a dystopia? Living in a dystopia with a major medical issue.

But if you get fat you have to buy new clothes

This isn’t really a question, but I’ll respond with my experience.

As a kid I had a mother that was incredibly health conscious. She always fed me “alternative” foods with strong flavors. It instilled a hatred for health foods in me, but it also changed my taste buds to have a particular distaste for sweet foods.

I am now in my 30s. I still eat healthy. I don’t binge eat. I stay away from overly salty foods. And guess what. My health is still a mess. I get what feels like food poisoning all the time. A lot of foods still make me sick.

At some point you need to realize that eating healthy is not always a solution. Healthy foods do not work for everybody, whether it be a severe dislike of the taste or allergies to the additives that are frequently required to make health food taste good. I have begun thinking it is better to have too many nutrients than not enough. It is better to drink a lot of juice loaded with sugar than it is to be dehydrated.

I would rather live a happy life for 40 years than an unhappy one for 80, especially given the current direction of politics and the fact I am now 50% microplastics.

In the end, you need to find out what works best for you and what makes you the happiest version of yourself.

Take it from someone who agreed with you 30 years ago: the health you ignore today will only cause you more pain, more stress, and more cost down the road. Even if you don’t live a long life, what life you do live will be a lot harder to enjoy if you’re not healthy.

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I am father to a 10 year old, so yes I care very much.

Trust me. Being healthy feels great. In my early twenties I used to do all the drugs, smoked and drank every day. I didn’t have any obvious health issues, but I can tell you now, that being fit and healthy feels so much better. I used to feel pretty miserable, but now I feel like I can do anything. Self care is important for self love. You can still be happy, even with all the shit going on, but you need to look after yourself.

My brother just had his prostate removed, can’t eat or leave his apartment for a week, and he’ll probably never have a full-on erection again. My wife had to do dialysis three days a week, which left her weak and ruined after every session. A friend of mine is in pain 24/7, and has been for decades.

I am the luckiest fucker on earth, to have good health, and I’ve never done a damned thing to deserve it. For 50 years I ate almost nothing but crap food, and I’m flabby and never exercise.

Ain’t no justice in this life. Ain’t much life if you don’t have your health.

All unhealthy stuff doesn’t taste good anymore though. The fun of getting drunk doesn’t compensate for how hangovers are worse and longer. Cigarettes taste like ass and don’t give me the kick I used to get. The fuck you mean, “just eat whatever”, the slop us Americans make ain’t worth shoving into my mouth.

Well with the climate wars coming I want to be in peak shape to trample everyone else down and take my place as a warlord over as much territory as possible. Can’t do that if you’re out of shape

I’ve started running and hiking a lot more recently, and while it might be ultimately meaningless, it does a lot to help my mental health and it just feels good.

I can think of some things. The first is that there’s a real chance that, if you are living an unhealthy lifestyle, it is likely actively fueling the depressed-sounding state of mind you seem to be in. I know when things seem hopeless it’s hard to want to try, but it’s the successes in small decisions like that which can help us claw our way out of these pits.

The next is that relying on the “next incarnation” is wishful thinking that, I think there is a stronger case to be made that it’s more likely to be disappointing than it is an improvement. We don’t know how many realities there are, we don’t know how many of them we would ever see (or if we could ever see others) after death, or whether or not there is anything of “us” after death to experience anything in the future. But if we’re seeing the one world we do know is there, getting worse, then whatever else there is or what we can experience, we now know the total amount of them has gotten worse by this much. Put into more simple terms, we lay in the bed we make. What if you reincarnate/rebirth into a factory-farmed cow for example? There’s only one sure-fire way to reduce the odds of that happening - making the choices that lead to fewer factory farmed cows coming into existence.

Death is not an escape. There is no escape. The only way out is through.

Then the other thing that has fueled some of my own decisions, is that we promote what we do, to others. If I were to smoke cigarettes for example, I would be making it more likely that those in my life, the people I care about, would be more likely to also start smoking. From that point of view, literally every choice we make has consequences that probably shouldn’t be taken lightly.

Spoken like a very young person. The problem is not as much the dying as what comes before it. Most people don’t just drop dead. For most unhealthy people, it is years and years of suffering from various ailments as soon as you get to a certain age.

You sound like you would enjoy the book, The Limits to Growth and its progress checking updates. The models suggest we’re in for a very bad time by 2040. The runup seems to have already begun. The neat thing is that the book doesn’t even include climate related catastrophe. They’re just bonus add on.