I didnt have much to begin with only lost about 12k, I have nothing anyway. My mother lost roughly 100k in her retirement fund from all this crashing. My grandmother even more. How much have you lost in Trump’s Tantrum Tariffs game?
All my loss has had nothing to do with the economy.
I’ve had basically everything I own in life thrown away. Twice. Once when I was 19 and got a job on a cruise ship; my parents sold my car and had my siblings move everything out of my room so my brother could take the room, and those two assholes just threw everything in the trash.
It happened again when I got married and my (now ex) wife got rid of everything of mine that I had before we met.
Ouch, baby. Very Ouch.
I sold about a third of my shares in my retirement index fund into “cash” about a month ago. This was obviously coming and I figured I would try to time the market in this instance. I didn’t have the balls to do the whole thing but I stand to make a nice gain if I can buy back in on the way up.
The next few years will be a constant whip saw of crashes and “recoveries”, because the big money wins more when prices are volatile. They sell before you can. They buy before you can. It’s a dance they take advantage of, and we should try to as well.
The next
few yearsdecadeFTFY.
I’m expecting/hoping that the hamberders do him in by then.
In January I moved all my 401k funds to a vangaurd stable fund which mostly invested in money markets. My 401k is somehow up from April 1st by a few %. Thinking of reallocating to take advantage of Trump’s inevitable reversal.
My guess is he will do it piecemeal as countries cave to his attempt at soliciting bribes. So the market as a whole wont recover all at once. When I see he is starting to reverse individual tariffs, that’s when I’ll do the reallocation. But until then I think there is more to lose.
Also I shorted Elmo and cashed out high enough to cover the losses on the rest of my portfolio. So somehow I didn’t get turbofucked by them this time.
It just sounds like you were ready for the fuckening. Good job honestly, mate. I dont have the funds as a freshly salaryman to be playing markets. But I saw the movements and if I had a spare dime I would have made it out of here still complaining but covered. I’ll never stop complaining until equality and equity are human pillars tho.
I’ve sold most of my international/US-biased stocks, only keep a few, plus some local company that I know is doing pretty OK.
I replaced it with mostly high-security stuff like the bank savings account or European central bank rate coupled stuff. So I guess I am losing the potential interest?
I am still not sure when to “buy the drop”. I bet that (sadly), the US administration will do more bullshit before it gets better.
Yeah, that’s what I did with my 401(k) put into a money market. It’s been there for a while now and after I moved it, the markets have only dropped. Could it in theory come back before I have a chance to buy back in, yeah, that is possibility but at least I still have the money that I moved from the normal investments over to a money market account. At least I didn’t go negative on that.
Even if I bought back in right this moment, I would still have saved the severe droppings of the last week and a half. Only is I don’t know if we’re still going down yet and how far. I do believe we are still going in the downward motion I think it’s coming back yet. Yeah it’s pretty much gambling on my money, but I honestly believe that this is the better option.
$25k and climbing but thankfully that’s pretty much all in my retirement and I’m not touching it for several more decades.
I haven’t checked. It’s a long-term investment anyway.
About a year’s salary.
Nothing because I haven’t sold anything and aren’t planning to either. I hold and keep buying more. Just like I did thru the previous dips.
Keep calm and hold, that is the way.
I had a trust fund of stocks and my mum said she sold them whenever a crash happened… Why…
Yeah, buying after the crash happens makes no sense. If you can somehow( for lack of a better phrase foresee )a crash happening, and then sell before the crash, then buy back in after the crash. That makes sense because then you’re selling high and buying low.
But buying after the crash makes no sense because now you’re already down. I feel for you on that one
I bought European defense stocks so I get happy whatever he says.
Jokes aside about 30k maybe? Not sold anything and I did not care enough to check. Hopefully he does not get to stay in office for another 4 years. I’ll just buy more meanwhile.
Oh shit this is a great idea.
My 60 year old dad who started investing 3 months ago is buying Rheinmetall stock. I’d say that when people like him are already buying them you’re already way too late.
Yeah I think everyone knows it’s a bubble. Some think they will get off before it pops, and I don’t care, like I said I bought it to be happy either way.
$155k, and it could have been worse.
I retired early in September. I lost about 30k. I put this years Roth investment into a cd that doesn’t mature for 3 years because I knew what was coming.
It’s strange but now that I’m not working the loss bothers me less. I think I hated my job so much losing money made me feel like all that hard work and misery was futile.
Luckily, I don’t plan to live off my retirement investments for another 10 years. I reduced my cost of living by building a tiny house, and living super minimally. I live on what could qualify me for food stamps in my city. Instead I have a garden and I grow food.
I have a part time side business that pays most of my expenses and it tends to do better even with economic turmoil because it’s cheaper than buying imports. Sales are up 10% over the same time last year.
Lemmy wants to eat the rich and wants rich people to lose all their wealth. They should be celebrating.
Unless of course…most of Lemmy is actually what most people would consider rich. Hmmm…
60% of americans own stocks. It affects far more than “the rich”
Sure, but the majority of the poor who democrats and Lemmy portray themselves to care so much about, do not own stocks.
And I have seen plenty of Lemmy posters decry the stock market and wish it would go away. Plenty of hate for wall street and the money makers.
So something bad happens to wall mart, and now Lemmy is mad. So maybe you can explain the discrepancy to me.
Doesn’t Lemmy want to watch Wall Street and the Stock Market burn down?
And on the flip side, does Lemmy think this stock market slump will last forever and never come back, so that money is gone forever?
OR will the market come back in a bit, the rich who buy all the cheap stocks and didn’t panic-sell, will get richer and then Lemmy will yell about how the lowlife dregs of humanity who are rich capitalized on it all and actually made more money? (Hint: This is what will happen. Please save my comment so we can revist it for proof)
And my last point is true, then wouldn’t it be better to just do what the rich do, not sell, and buy now? So you can profit as well?
My entire point is that Lemmy seems confused about what they should be mad about. Do you want to see Wall Street collapse or not? Is this a sign of the Wall Street collapse or not?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
Sealioning (also sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity (“I’m just trying to have a debate”), and feigning ignorance of the subject matter.[5][6][7][8] It may take the form of “incessant, bad-faith invitations to engage in debate”,[9]
The sealioner feigns ignorance and politeness while making relentless demands for answers and evidence (while often ignoring or sidestepping any evidence the target has already presented), under the guise of “just trying to have a debate”,[5][6][8][11] so that when the target is eventually provoked into an angry response, the sealioner can act as the aggrieved party, and the target presented as closed-minded and unreasonable.[7][12][13] Another maneuver of sealioning is the “Just Asking Questions” tactic, which frames false or misleading statements in the form of questions.[14][15] Sealioning has been described as “incessant, bad-faith invitations to engage in debate”.[9] Sealioning can be performed by an individual or by a group acting in concert.[16]
That has nothing to do with anything I said though.
But rich people, on the whole, cope better with economic downturns because they have more resources to play with and aren’t living paycheck to paycheck.
So why would the mulch the rich crowd be celebrating?
So why would the mulch the rich crowd be celebrating?
Because they know they aren’t “losing” money in the market because they aren’t selling like panic buyers are. lol They are buying.
Buy the dips. Sell when high. That’s how they stay rich. They are laughing at you right now
I think we understand “mulch the rich crowd” very differently.
Yeah? So explain the differences.
My use of the “Mulch the rich crowd” as people who will, at least (or perhaps at most) express the desire to grind up billionaires, or maybe millionaires into more useful biomass, such as mulch for their vegetable garden or community allotment.
You used it seemingly as a term for “people with lots of money and investments” thus able not only to not sell to keep up with cost of living increases, but also buy up things sold by those who needed to liquidate assets to keep themselves afloat.
Now, they may not be mutually exclusive circles - but the overlap would be neither informative nor relevant to the point.
For instance if someone is talking about birds and mentions a quality of vertebrates, and you come in with “and vertebrates can breathe underwater!” because fish are vertebrates and you are very clever.
My use of the “Mulch the rich crowd” as people who will, at least (or perhaps at most) express the desire to grind up billionaires, or maybe millionaires into more useful biomass, such as mulch for their vegetable garden or community allotment.
Seems to be happening today! How come no celebration? I remember seeing Lemmy posts where people wanted to see wall street burn to the ground! Then it’d get hundreds of upvotes. What happened? Where’s that crowd?! lol
Here’s the real reason, IMHO: Because for all of the anti-wall street talk, and the anti-wealth talk, the fact is that Lemmy users on average make more than most americans. So when shit like what’s happening happens, it actually affects them. The very fact that there are so many Lemmy’s worried about their stocks shows that they are the part of the very crowd the like to see destroyed. It was all for upvotes.
Reality hits different.
Now as much as I would love to see this continue to happen. And Lemmy actually be as poor in reality as they pretend to be, I know the market dip won’t last. No millionares are gonna lose their status. All the crying Lemmys who are making $100K a year will be just fine, and they’ll continue acting like they make $15K a year and then watch their stocks rise in between fake justice warrior postings.
So yeah, I am fucking loving the news. Loving what is happening. And I think people are getting exactly what they deserve.
Also, I’m already poor. The wall street news hasn’t changed my life at all. No one tiny bit. Except that my little extra fun money is now being used on buying stock and crypto cuz it’s all cheap! lmao
Except that my little extra fun money is now being used on buying stock and crypto cuz it’s all cheap! lmao
And I was right when I said that. Cuz I now market is getting back up. This is awesome
Apart from Luigi, who is mulching/has muclh4d b/millionnaires recently? I must have missed that news item.
Hope your crypto investments work out better this time. Maybe lean on the stocks a little more.
P. S. I think that there’s a wide continuum of posters. It’s not all one guy with one ideology and 100,000 accounts.
I mean this sucks for people who are already retired, people who were about to retire, and people who weren’t watching their trades or paying any sort of attention. I personally haven’t been effected that much just yet. Just usually if you were to do this sort of thing you’d set out like a 10 year plan you sign into law rather than this that causes harm.
In the past I would have cheered this. But I am wiser now and know that unless the stock market is being abolished the rich can lose 99% of their wealth and be fine while everyone else drops dead. Your assumptions are ill informed and draw correlations to conclusions that only make sense in small scopes. Almost as if you’re just saying divisive stuff. Hmm…
i don’t even have the right to retire anymore… am i supposed to be sad for the people who wanted fascism to happen the most?
Yes, way I see it, a lot of these people might just be alright as long as the democratic and social wellbeing propaganda is flooding the airwaves. But guess what’s flooding the airwaves right now. I think that societies that actually take the steps to install correct social safety nets like healthcare and the like actually do step into the light. I think the fix is so simple that hundreds of billions have to be spent to suppress and spin so it doesnt happen.
So you should feel bad, for everything. This place could be so bitchin’, but its not. The solutions are mystical or unknown or out of reach for mankind. They’re locked away and obscured because very powerful people want it this way. And I’m not talking about some absolute utopia being possible, what I mean is it doesnt have to be this stressful and crushing all the time. But the only way we get there as The People is if we spark, force, and maintain the change ourselves and agree on it by looking at available data. Unfortunately all that data shows that everything American Moguls love makes everything suck. So we arrive back at my first paragraph.
/rant
i mostly agree, except we can want a better world while simultaneously being frustrated with the people standing in the way of it.
Yeah and I guess I just want to believe that most people aren’t this bad or can be ‘saved’ in a way. But thats in no way fact and I need to remember that.
I mean this sucks for people who are already retired
Meh, I am already retired and doesn’t suck for me. Now for people who were just about to take out a big chunk and sell it all, yeah, the timing sucks.
But unless you are planning on selling right now, all good. The market will come back. And most rich people are actually buying up stock right now and laughing at the panic sellers. This happens every single dip.
Almost as if you’re just saying divisive stuff. Hmm…
Just because I say something divisive, doesn’t mean I’m doing it on purpose. You do realize that some people just have different opinions than you, right? Hence the election results.
My point being, not everything is a trick or troll statement. I believe what I said; in spite of you finding it divisive, not because it’s divisive.
For the record, my gf totally disagrees with me, and is making the really really silly mistake of panic selling. Even tho I showed her facts and historical context. She’s making a huge mistake. And I’m sure I’ll hear all about it when the market comes back up and I profit (small, but still profit).
Don’t sell is my advice. Maybe it will take some time but the market will recover one day. The next peak will be bigger than the last, and the next and the next. If you zoom out you will see a steady line up. So sit down, and stop checking your account.
The market has given up about one year’s gain, so people who have held diversified portfolios for longer than that haven’t really "lost"anything.
Yet.
My entire account is down 22% so it hurts a lot.
Im also not sure if I should sell. Under normal circumstances, I wouldnt. But now we are seeing another 4 years of Trump, and his strategy is about intentionally causing a depression. Its not normal days on the stock market, thats for sure.
Who can stop him?
Certainly don’t sell now. You’ll soon be seeing the combined pressure of the moneyed on Trump, and he’s nothing if not chaotic anyway. “Strategy” is just what he calls his whim of the moment. This may not be the end of the dip yet, but the whole tariff scheme will fall apart and stocks will rally. You could, without touching anything right now, take a look at the stocks that your fund is made of, and see if you want to make changes for ethical or practical reasons, so you’re ready to do so on the upswing. But let the big money investors throw their weight around first.
I’m planning to just keep buying more as he causes further declines, to my ability to do so that is.
