I didnt have much to begin with only lost about 12k, I have nothing anyway. My mother lost roughly 100k in her retirement fund from all this crashing. My grandmother even more. How much have you lost in Trump’s Tantrum Tariffs game?
I retired early in September. I lost about 30k. I put this years Roth investment into a cd that doesn’t mature for 3 years because I knew what was coming.
It’s strange but now that I’m not working the loss bothers me less. I think I hated my job so much losing money made me feel like all that hard work and misery was futile.
Luckily, I don’t plan to live off my retirement investments for another 10 years. I reduced my cost of living by building a tiny house, and living super minimally. I live on what could qualify me for food stamps in my city. Instead I have a garden and I grow food.
I have a part time side business that pays most of my expenses and it tends to do better even with economic turmoil because it’s cheaper than buying imports. Sales are up 10% over the same time last year.
Not much yet this time, but in the last crash half the 401k disappeared. It crawled back over time though. Not sure I have enough time for that to happen again.
$100k when I checked on Friday. Not going to check again, that way madness lies.
An entire lifetime of work, living modestly, saving, funding my retirement accounts, paying a financial advisor to help me make responsible decisions.
Blown up by that orange turd.
Fuck your stocks. How many trans friends have you lost and did you even really care until it started affecting the economy. Fuck your stocks.
My guy I agree with you that trans lives matter more than money, but this is not how to convince people to join our side. Like absolutely this countries priorities are absolutely fucked, but opening with “fuck your money” is only gonna get assholes to dig in their heels
I won’t police my thoughts, opinions and language to appease liberals and centrists and I won’t trust anyone who thinks that our struggle rests on that kind of approach. Unless they gutterally get it they are not my ally.
Ok but how many people in the whole US agree with you enough that you’d call them an ally? 2% .2%? Your plan is to enact change with 99.8% of everyone on the other side of you? The movement requires liberals and centrists to change their minds.
One, because he became a militant asshole who started not respecting boundaries.
Even if you don’t own stocks, your paycheck is now worth 15-30% less due to tariffs.
None of my trans friends have been lost.
I mean, good. The country voted in a fascist on a policy of trans genocide and it takes a tanking economy for any kind of mass protests to take place. The government was killing my friends long before Trump was elected but that didn’t effect your safe little bubble. If the violence has to be explicit, then so be it.
Oh geez dude, so sorry my trans friends didn’t get killed to justify your rant.
I’m sorry you think you’re living trans friends lend to whatever argument you’re trying to make. According to the government they even exist anymore. The Republicans have been calling for blood openly for many years. It’s going to get a lot worse than a downturn in the economy and it’s not going to get bettter if people don’t start to see the bigger picture.
You know, it’s possible to feel emotions about two different things at the same time.
You can feel bad about the economy if you want, and also bad about how the government treats people. You don’t have to choose one or the other.
Try it!
God Lemmy is a shit hole now
I’m glad you’re losing money, it brings me joy to see the middle class finally freaking out, even if it’s for reasons that are utterly selfish and blind to the real struggles minorities have been facing for decades. Maybe if you buy gold instead?
Wow. So you actually just hate anyone who has any money at all. You don’t actually care about the issues. You’re just bitter that they have more. Even when they care about your issues, you still hate them because they had the gall to complain when their retirement gets pushed back a decade.
You should look at your actual views. Pulling everyone to that level is the goal. Not bringing everything down.
The middle class are not your oppressors, and never have been.
Do you know any international politics or national policy? As in what the country, in hand with the complicity of the middle class, has done to both it’s own citizens and the rest of the world? For the entirety of its 300 year history?
No?
Time to start learning perhaps. The people who do know are the people who will help you in crisis.
There’s less than nothing in it for me to change your mind about anything. You’re on Lemmy and you’ve had a great deal of opportunity to do so on your own time.
God Lemmy is a shit hole now
I’m glad you’re losing money
Ya cuz of people like you
mirror!!!4!4
The middle class aren’t the problem. Lol. Shouldn’t you be on hexbear?
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You have a point there
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I’m in the middle of closing on a house. I’ll let you know in 5 years.
As long as you don’t cave, the worst that will happen is you bought before the Depression 2.0 firesale. Your kids will be one of the few of their generation with access to a house. Congrats. Fuck you.
Haven’t seen you in a year, how are you doing?
Still angry, still autistic, but now I have to deal with fucking fascism in my government
How about yourself? (BTW I now retract every brexit joke I made and am reasonably prepared for my own comeuppances in the coming years)
Things were far better this time last year. Unfortunately now they are far worse 🫠 but I’ll still try my best to get through it
Hey if it’ll cheer you up you can make a ‘stupid yank’ joke at my expense, I feel I deserve it a bit. No I didn’t vote for him, but apparently I also didn’t convince enough other people not to vote for him so I have a part in all of this
Don’t be silly, there are bound to be more pressing issues in your life than to beat yourself up over the stupid decisions of your countrymen. It’s not your fault. As long as you did your bit and vote, that’s what matters.
Nothing invested means nothing to lose! Never got to play the fucking game.
Just started my retirement fund last year, so far I have lost only $4K but I was being very moderate in my investments.
Well if you can you should max it out now.
Yep, buy low. Don’t try to time it. Just buy low and DCA.
Actual numbers?
Approaching a half million.
That’s from two people’s combined lifetime efforts at saving for retirement. We max out our retirement contributions and live modestly, I have a mandatory retirement age by law, and we can only hope that the markets will return our savings by then.
For the record, it’s shitty that people’s retirements are tied to the stock market.
401(k) plans never meant to be a complete retirement plan. Where does that leave future retirees?
I read somewhere and can’t find it anymore, but up to 40% of the stock market value is comprised of peoples’ retirement savings or plans.
So you can see how devastating this stock market decline could be if it gets worse, on top of all the issues with jobs it will cause.
I haven’t looked, but I cut the US out of my portfolio well before this. Probably some, but not too much, and I like my prospects once the tariff selloff is over. Actually, if I can swing it through an available institution I might go even shorter on the US with equity futures.
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I decided to adult and buy a few stocks. So far I’ve lost six hundred dollars.
Yes that doesn’t seem like a lot but I’ve never invested before and I’m not exactly rich.
Haven’t checked my retirement because I’ve never expected to be able to retire in this country. I will work till I die. Yay, American dream! 🙁
Only you can save the stock market. Thank you Captain America!
Technically none, as nothing has realised yet. :P
Down 14% since the start of March
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Nothing and neither did you. Numbers on a screen aren’t anything more than a suggestion until it’s cash in your hand.
the number is how much cash you could get in your hand right now if you wanted to and it is absolutely more than just a suggestion; it’s real buyers buying right now at that price.
Edit: not to mention, the remaining value is now worth 30% less due to instant tariff inflation on the price of goods
Yep.
Real money that someone (other than you) now has.
Man’s unlocked the secret code to infinite money.
If I pay for everything with a debit card it doesn’t count as real money because it’s just a number on a screen and therefore doesn’t exist.
The special thing is, you don’t have to believe in money at all to be able to use it. As long as other people believe in it, and you notice that, you can also use money. It doesn’t matter what you believe, as long as other people believe it has value.
But if you believe that other people believe something has value, then you also believe it has value. You wouldn’t accept money for something if you believed it had no value.
If not having it doesn’t lose you anything can I have yours?
You’re focusing on loss of money while ignoring loss of value. It doesn’t have to be currency to have value, and the value of something falling has an impact on your expectation of realizing that value later.
Your position works better with people treating the expectation of profit as value, and decrying unmet profit goals as a loss.
You either lost money, or you lost time. If you are implying that you lost nothing because you didn’t cash out and therefore can wait for a rebound, then you are going to lose the time you have to wait for the rebound. In economics that is also called an opportunity cost. You have now lost the opportunity to invest that money into something profitable because you have now tied it up in something that is unprofitable. You still lost. You are just too dumb to realize it with this mentality.
Worst case is when people with this mentality ride a stock to the bottom insisting it will just take more time to come back, and it doesn’t. Then forcing the person to lose both the money and the time.
My mother will factually never be able to retire now. Thats real. Thats something, not nothing. We joke how its a rich people vibe machine but they’ve tied our retirements and employments to this thing. It means something. Believe me I wish it didnt. It hardly did for me I didnt have anything but I am not the sole proprietor of society now am I? Its a group project. A group effort to survive and thrive.
Found the apologist!
i am just starting on a fresh 401k account, i guess i got lucky, but people with decades worth of contributions must be swearing bullets
I’m swearing more than just bullets.
