Top Trump official Stephen Miller’s recent declaration that anyone who “preaches hate for America” will face deportation has ignited alarm online, with critics warning the statement disregards First Amendment protections.
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Social media users and legal analysts raised immediate concerns, pointing out that expressing dissent or criticism of the government is protected under the First Amendment. Some worried the administration was veering into authoritarian territory.
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The backlash has reignited broader debates over the limits of free speech, especially as civil liberties fall under scrutiny. While immigration enforcement remains a core theme of President Donald Trump’s platform, critics are increasingly questioning whether rhetoric like Miller’s is a precursor to more aggressive suppression of dissent.
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. -Theodore Roosevelt
They ARE traitors. Russian-backed, Nazi-seig-heil throwing traitors. They aren’t joking about wanting to jail liberals. They 100% mean it.
They’ve been prepped to be fine with it since they started calling “liberalism a mental disorder.”
Straight Russian propaganda. The Kremlin wants to stamp out western liberal democracy. MAGA’s the push to destroy America
Why have the billionaires not prevented it? Project 2025 was known. Billionaires will lose huge parts of their wealth when the USA collapses and Russia or China take over.
cause they didnt think it would fail.
They thought they’d buy the country for pennies on the dollar and carve it up into their own little capitalist nightmare fiefdoms.
This can’t be the plan. Only land with sea ports would be acceptable in that situation. Every other fiefdom would be taxed by their neighbors into poverty unless they unite again.
For sure there are stupid billionaires but the top 100 won’t follow a plan that can be rebuked easily.
Vast swathes of the USA is accessible by navigable river ever since the Louisiana purchase. It’s one of the three main original reasons the USA was so powerful economically before Trump.
This only works if the rivers aren’t taxed. How could anybody trust that that doesn’t happen? That’s why I specified sea ports.
because you enter an economic cold war, very much like trump is doing right now with china, where the port people demand taxes, and the middle america people just embargo them and don’t give them any food/minerals/etc.
and you see how much they are loving that happening right now.
They don’t want to fuck eachother. They just want to fuck you and me.
Billionaires are not our allies. And some of them are genuinely stupid enough to have thought they could contain what was going on that it was just gonna be more tax cuts for them. They, like the public, didn’t all actually believe it would be true. They are not inherently smarter or more immune to propaganda than we are.
They just have more access to information - if they don’t surround themselves with people that are only yes men and such.
Other billionaires are betting on the collapse, and are willing to take less monetary power, to have more literal power if they can create their own city states. Literally what they’re hoping for.
They are short sighted, stupid, arrogant, heartless… and, many, traitors.
Some need to be made an example of.
But we accept those who ask for forgiveness. I’m not saying to actually forgive them. Or to re-establish normal lives with them. Other people can do that work.
But they do have to have SOME kind of off-ramp, or you might as well be making the same arguments that MAGA are when they claim “liberalism is a mental illness and should be jailed.”
Billionaires will be absolutely fine if they never make another penny and even if they lose 99% of their money in some stock market complete and final death. Millionaires are worried, but they aren’t the ones with the real power.
It’s not the same. Why should they give up their power without a fight? They must believe that they at least maintain their power and wealth.
Yes. They do. And they’re right. They’ll be fine. Billionaires will be absolutely fine. The stock market crash doesn’t worry them. Not even a little bit.
They’re still incomprehensibly richer than millionaires in the same way that someone with an office job, a flat, a TV, games console and a car who goes out to eat on the regular is incomprehensibly richer than someone who lives under a piece of sheet metal next to a rubbish tip and scavenges for food.
Yet when the office worker is informed that his car is going to burn down or somebody will come into his house and smash his TV, he will take action.
Billionaires identify with their property. They won’t simply accept that it melts down.
But billionaires are so desperately unlike the office worker. You know, how if someone took your penny, you wouldn’t worry. And in fact they could take a penny from you every day for three years and now you’re down a whole ten dollars but it just simply isn’t an issue. You know that a thousand times as much as you’ve lost will be turning up in the next few months. That’s how billionaires relate to a million dollars. A million. It’ll show up for them in the next month or two. They’re not worried. Why would they worry about money? You don’t worry about pennies, they don’t worry about millions. Stop thinking that billionaires worry about money.
Now if the entire global capitalist system were to completely crumble, then that’s an issue, but that’s absolutely not what’s happening. Billionaires are almost incomprehensibly wealthy and a crash of 10% just doesn’t matter. At all. There are other countries than the USA and they’ll absolutely leave if necessary. They spend plenty of time in their overseas properties anyway for tax purposes. Borders are for ordinary people.
Ok, but what about critics of the zio regime? Both “parties” agree that they should be kidnapped and encaged, right?
Zionist Democrats want to fine you and repress you in financial ways. They want to “tut tut” you for being anti-Semitic.
Zionist Republicans want to put you (and immigrants, and LGBT, and dissenters) in a death camp.
And the death camp is only a formality. If they thought they could get away with it, they’d have the police gun you down in the street and start issuing death warrants.
Nope. Jailing anyone without due process/etc is un American. We talked before.
We are on the same side. If you’re not a bad actor, I encourage you to take a more constructive approach to this discussion.
When Hamas very first attacked, I was on Israel’s side. Not everyone is as educated on Israel’s influence on our politics/etc. (fuck Israel. They can figure shit out on their own. I don’t want to fund genocide. Period.)
bUt wHaTaBoUt……
Fuck you Mr Miller. Fuck what you and yours are doing to my country. I hate it. I fucking dare you to deport me.
I hate America tbh have not stood for the anthem in over a decade.
I haven’t either. People are stupid because they wanted to lose all we have.
So we can’t criticize the country we were born and raised in without “wanting to lose all we have”? Sounds like some bootlicking bullshit to me.
Never said that. Just that you were stupid if you didn’t understand that there is a baby in the bathwater.
Yeah and Trump wants to deport it while it’s drowning.
I don’t, I just want to lose the Republicans. And the purists who would rather have Trump than support Harris. And people who Vape.
Not American but I hate the USA’s current administration. I am neither ashamed nor scared to say this. I presume this would be labeled as hate since I can’t see why their definition of “hate” wouldn’t be incredibly vague so as to hurt as many people as possible.
Some worried the administration was veering into an authoritarian territory.
Yeah no fucking shit. It has been happening since he got into office you fucking dipshits.
Yep, and in no small part because of this shit right here, mealy-mouthed normalizing of a fascist.
Laws are only words on paper if no one bothers to enforce it. Even moreso when it comes to constitutions.
Free means all.
Rise, or fall.
It is time to open up the bullet box. The conservatives are going to attempt imprisoning or killing any North American who doesn’t bend the knee.
There is no hate in 'muh-ri-ca
critics are increasingly questioning whether rhetoric like Miller’s is a precursor to more aggressive suppression of dissent.
I dunno folks. we certainly don’t have any other examples of Trump policies or behavior that might support this notion. I’m glad they are just “increasingly questioning” it.
Maybe when the concentration camps start showing up on US soil that will be enough.
They’re not going to be on US soil. There’s a reason the Nazis built there’s in foreign soil as well. If people are being rounded up into camps, they really have nothing to lose at that point. If you build them on US soil, you legitimately have to worry about crowds of heavily armed Americans showing up to liberate people from them. If you’re going to get sent to a camp anyway, you have nothing to lose taking up arms against them. It’s a lot more difficult to try and liberate a concentration camp in El Salvador.
If they’re on US soil then no one can get in the way to prevent these people from being released, by sending them to another country it’s much more easy to say “Nothing I can do!”
Yeah and much better than having Cuban intelligence report on all your crimes against humanity in GITMO.
The media is going to question and further legitimize this fascist state right up until their networks go down because other nations are bombing us. It’s up to Americans to stop this travesty before it gets that far…”they”, ie media pundits or current crop of political leaders, are not going to do it for us.
anyone who “preaches hate for America” will face deportation
welp that’s most of my posts
If you live in the USA, protect your privacy any time you post something. Lemmy might be even worse than Reddit when it comes to privacy since it’s impossible to wipe all your data (while Reddit can be forced to do so by anyone “in Europe”).
+ Reddit monopolized the access to it’s data. There everyone with an instance can vacuum up every post\comment\vote. Only PMs and credentials are between you and your admin. I prefer everyone to have access rather than the highest bidder, but it means there’s no safeguard of said bidding, and users should be aware of it and pick an according mode of interacting there.
It’s cute you think Reddit ever actually deletes anything
Europe doesn’t mind fining big corporations that want to operate on their territory without following their laws.
it’s just yo scare you into complacency, you can say anything in a speech
My gut wants to say that this is maybe intended to distract us from keeping focus on the embarrassments of the Signal debacle and the tanking economy. But my gut also tells me that we can have multiple awful things piling up on each other.
To be honest, the Signal debacle was a way to distract us from the literal bombing that they were using Signal to plan.
Way worse stuff going on. Elon is pilfering data and firing people ever day. Election laws are changing. Lawyers are getin sued into compliance with Maga policies.
FUCK AMERICA FUCK TRUMP FUCK NAZIS FUCK ALL YOU SCUMBAGS COME AFTER ME
I love America… I fucking hate Trump, MAGA and the GOP.
Make America Free Again!!!
As we all know, a person defines themselves through their actions. So does a country.
Imho, saying Trump(ism) isn’t America is like people who do evil, but still think they are good people. Admitting you have a problem is the first step in getting better. You need to hate what America has become. Shifting the blame to the current administration just lets people feel good about themselves. They shouldn’t. There is work to do.
The second step is meeting up with others in your community already working to fix it.
Yep. At least 30% of americans supported this maga crap while the majority did nothing to stop him. As a Canadian, I’m not going to distinguish between those who supported trump and those who didn’t care enough to stop him. Both are equally responsible, and both must pay the price. Personally, i’m hoping the price will be so great that the US will split apart. Of course, Canada alone won’t make the US disappear, but the world united against the US absolutely will.
also haver to point out voter suppression works either through propaganda or straight up legislation,
And making sure PP doesn’t win the election!
As a Canadian, I’m not going to distinguish between those who supported trump and those who didn’t care enough to stop him
So you’re a racist idiot then?
I think you may be confused. Americans tell the international community who represents them as a whole, as most countries do. In this case America picked Trump. They picked him using the method they created. They enforce their pick with the institutions they created. How self-absorbed and entitled do you need to be to call someone bigoted because they don’t have the time / inclanation / patience / stomach to then make their own arbitrary decision on each individual in your shithole country?
Maybe, if Americans weren’t such feckless, lazy, cowards you wouldn’t be in this situation. But no, the American way is to blameshift, like their Leader does. Like you do here: unless their is 100% internal consensus in your electoral process you expect the rest of us to distinguish between each of you. And those who don’t are bigots. Not your fault, is it… we are just bigots to you.
Do they still teach critical thinking in America, or is it just Pledges of Allegiance to Dear Leader now?
Maybe stop posting and go do something about it? One has to have their fat American neck buried pretty deep to not know how to help nowadays. Find people in your area already doing something and go ask them what needs doing. Or, as I expect, post about how it’s not your fault and how you can’t do anything. In 5… 4… 3…
“Home of the brave.” Ha ha fucking ha.
I think you may be confused
No, that’d be the group of people assigning blame to 100% of a group for the actions of sub 50% of said group
Bunch of disgusting bigots pretending your bigotry has a reason when you just wanna insult a group of people you don’t like because you’re a shitty person
A nationality is not a race, dumbo.
Oh, I’m sorry, bigoted dipshit. Forgot you need to specify exactly what level of stupidity someone’s on or you’ll get pendanted to death
Bigoted dipshit? You realise a country is represented by their government right, especially a democracy? Your people voted for him and if he decides to genocide others, torture them, start wars, annex other countries or do whatever the fk evil shit, it reflects your people as a whole. Why should other countries give you the GRACE of being spared your precious feelings when their people are being attacked and suffering the consequences of YOUR government’s actions? You’re a priviledged asshole if you think people should GRACE you with their fucking patience and goodwill when your government is attacking them!!!
Yes, bigoted dipshit.
Assuming all Americans support their government and treating them poorly because of it is being a bigoted dipshit, simple as
And the dissenting comments to that opinion all read almost exactly like how MAGAts talk, it’s funny and gross how much like them you are
Yes, Trumpism is extremely American, just like Trump embodies so many American virtues and vices.
America gave you Trump, MAGA and the GOP.
But in his mind “Trump = America”
“Ope, looks like this guy hates America. Take him away boys.”
Wow, what a dumb thing to claim when you have surrounded yourself with “free speech absolutists”. They are going to lose it on him, right? …. Right?
bell riots were a few months off but surprisingly accurate timing.
This timeline is way, way worse than the Bell Riots.
First of all, Sanctuary Districts in US cities weren’t nearly as bad as supermax prisons in foreign countries.
Second, at least they actually rioted. We’re still failing to do so, for some reason.
Can’t riot if only go outdoor twice a month to politely protest for part of a day .
Can’t organize riots in social posts.
Small groups of wealthy and influential citizens cannot ask, once more, if you will please riot.
The USA cannot riot at all right now.
It’s broken
