• @[email protected]
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    322 months ago

    At this early stage when there isn’t an obvious choice (like an incumbent or VP), this is really a measure of name recognition more than anything.

    I don’t know what the field is going to look like when the primaries roll around, but I highly doubt that Kamala will make it anywhere near the nomination again. She had her chance, she’s extremely unlikely to get another one. The last time a Democrat got the nomination a second time after a loss was Adlai Stevenson in 1956, and he only got it because most of the other possible candidates stayed out of the race because they expected Eisenhower to win in a landslide.

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      She had her chance, she’s extremely unlikely to get another one.

      She had two chances. Her first one was an abysmal failure. If she had any sense, she would’ve learned then and there that her own party doesn’t even like her. And the only reason she got a second chance was because the DNC handed it to her on a silver platter. I get why they opted out of having another primary so late in the game, but she was the absolute worst choice they could’ve made.

      This poll may as well have just asked people “which of these names do you recognize?”, because that’s really all it tells us.

      EDIT: It just hit me that you meant she had her chance as the nominee. I’m dumb.

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    I’m GLAD that Democrats LEARNED from their Past Elections and are running a KNOWN LOSER WHO COULDNT BEAT A LITERAL FASCIST who Ran on the Platform of Ruining Our Lives! It pairs VERY WELL with Chuck Schumer’s Policy of doing NOTHING while American Citizens are Deported to El Salvadorian DEATH CAMPS!

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    It’s Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. And she’s one of the last persons still right in the head in that circus. 2028 elections may not even happen, and she is the one that is needed to be behind the wheel not then but right fucking now.

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    If the Dems were smart, they’d make the runner-up in the primary their vice presidential candidate. I don’t know why they never seem to do this. I’m not a “Bernie bro”, but Clinton probably would’ve won if Bernie had been her VP.

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      Because there is a perception that the VP should “balance” the ticket in some ways for the general. Its why Obama had Biden, why Biden had Harris, and why Harris had Walz (idr Clinton’s). They try to calculate about what demographics are missing from the presidential candidate and get someone who fits enough of them that the racism/sexism/ageism and therefore lack of votes towards a candidate for those reasons isn’t the reason they lose. It’s why Obama had Biden, McCain had Palin, etc. The facist cult doesn’t have to bother because their voters don’t care.

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    If Harris was a leader she would be out there touring like AOC. Shes not a leader. She had her shot to prove otherwise and didn’t.

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      If she were out there touring people would tell her to shut up and sit down. She had her shot, twice, nobody wants what she’s selling.

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      I can’t imagine thinking about “serving people” when majority of them turned out to be hateful idiots that frankly deserve getting their faces eaten by a leopard. Let her catch a break maybe?

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        Nah, I’m not giving her a break. She handed the elction to Trump on a silver platter. It should have been a slam dunk election, but she chose genocide, money, and the Cheney’s over winning.

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        The Dipshit didn’t even get the majority of people who did vote, let alone the country as a whole

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      102 months ago

      Completely agree. It would have demonstrated that she would have been a good president and it would have sealed the deal for her (if there are legit elections). She didn’t step up. AOC did. Says a lot about each of them.

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      I mean, if I were her I’d feel drained and devastated. Everything that happened during the election and people still picked Trump over her…

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        Drained and devastated but willing to lose again? Spray this turd down the drain of your empathy and out of a leadership roll.

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        I have a hard time feeling sorry for her after leaving the left hanging and going after conservative votes. She made an incredibly poor strategic choice and it cost all of us.

        Obviously she’s not the only one to blame here, conservatives deserving the majority of blame followed by people that stayed home, but she doesn’t deserve pity.

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          Pity maybe not, but understanding definitely. If that were me ya’ll picked Trump over I’d tell all ya’ll to fuck right off while I prep a boat to Europe. Then all the people saying I should stay out of it would be bitching that I’m not participating anymore.

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            Exactly. If I were her, I’d fuck off to Europe and send a big fat middle finger to everyone asking for help.

            Is that in the best interests of the American people? No. Is it an entirely understandable reaction? Yes.

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              Europe would be the worst pick for Harris. Maybe the Philippines or other thinly disguised police state.

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              152 months ago

              If I were her, I’d fuck off to Europe and send a big fat middle finger to everyone asking for help.

              Sending a big fat middle finger to everyone asking for help was basically her campaign.

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            252 months ago

            A recount requires a vote to be close, it wasn’t. Trump won every swing state. And with the margins he won by, every recount in the world would not overcome the 86 EVs she trailed by.

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              172 months ago

              The election results were very close - and it was a big election, some ballots were rejected, there were bomb threats and there were also statistical anomalies. She should have asked for a recount.

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        Exactly why she’s not a leader. A leader understand that you don’t have time to lick you wounds when the enemy is at your door. She should be fighting harder now, not sulking.

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        152 months ago

        They cheated, and we ALL know it. If she’s upset about anything, it’s that she was cheated out of her historic legacy, and the spineless Democratic party backed HitlerPig over her.

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        If she’s still drained and devastated months after losing, she’s not emotionally mature enough to be president. What’s going to happen the first time a soldier gets killed in combat? At least Hillary has some cajones, Harris never gave me that impression.

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          At least Hillary has some cajones, Harris never gave me that impression.

          Hillary had years of experience on the federal level. Senator and then Head of State. She was used to making choices that had a big impact.

          I will always remember Harris for her DNC nomination debate performance. She personally called out Biden’s racist policies and how it impacted her. Showing that out of touch white men have lasting impacts on generations children. It was her highest moment. If you check articles they’ll say that was one of the highlights of the event.

          And then became Biden’s VP. Just willing to ignore how he personally wrote a racist bill that harmed you because it’s a position of power? Alright. That’s sure a message about your morals.

          And when asked about why by Steven Colbert: “It was a debate!”

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        If I were her, I would have had a plan B knowing what the right wingers were up to, and it should have looked a lot like what Bernie and AOC are doing. Instead she showed up then fucked off to somewhere else after hanging out with Dick Cheney for a few months.

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        Yeah. I have a lot of problems with Kamala The Cop. But she lost what might be the final election in American History. That takes a lot out of you

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      Usual: If you voted 3rd party or didn’t vote, you signed off on our current reality.

      But you’re not wrong, and I have plenty to disagree with AOC about, but they’re all conversations for a better time; done and done.

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          If you voted 3rd party in a FPTP election, you are functionally indistinguishable from a non-voter. You can talk about your principles all you want, but by the mechanics of the electoral system you are exactly equivalent to a non-voter.

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            Exactly the opposite of reality. FPTP does not preclude third parties from winning, hence the existence of the republican party. It does mean you have to vote your principles and not strategically vote. If everyone voted for the party that most closely aligned with their principles, neither the Dems or repubs would ever wing the presidency and would never hold a majority in any Congress at any level.

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              Incorrect. I can justify any number of results with such a monumental “if”. Any strategy based on such a large number of people suddenly changing their voting tendency in such a way is unworkable. As one party splinters, the other is heavily incentivized to stay together and easily win. It’s a game of chicken; the first party to break ranks is doomed. People understand this on an intuitive, tribalistic level. Fracturing the less monolithic party will only strengthen the more monolithic one. That is reality.

              Without organization sufficient to convince at least a third of the country that a specific party is viable, you cannot beat a strategic party with principles alone.

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                Hard disagree, as again, the republican party exists. It was a third party.

                Practically no one votes strategically. The vast majority of voters vote the same as their parents and/or peers. The extreme minority of voters that care about issues vote for whatever party of the two that suits them best at the time.

                But bigger than all these groups are the eligible voters that think nothing will change because people like you tell them they only have two options, so they don’t vote.

                Because neither option is good. There is Nazi, and there is the group that appoints nazis. Both exist solely for their own power and wealth. Neither help people until the riots get too violent. So why vote. Why care?

                So either we introduce a third party or more, and maybe give some hope, or we let the uniparty continue to win and we all have to survive a balkanized US when it collapses.

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                  Without organization sufficient to convince at least a third of the country that a specific party is viable, you cannot beat a strategic party with principles alone.

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            Yeah fuck people who help dems win local elections and ballot measures! Those things aren’t real! Everyone knows the house and senate don’t matter! And neither do state legislatures! Fuck those stupid things that don’t affect anyone, it’s all about voting for the guy you think is going to win, not the one you want! Or, idk whatever you dems go on about.

            Let’s keep attacking progressive voter base like the DNC wants! Let’s keep alienating them more! It will be a good idea THIS time! It worked so well that’s why 2016 was our best year! Way better than 2008 when we didn’t actively attack them! If we don’t ensure politics is voting against the one you hate most how will we keep all those non-voters at home, keep money in politics, and keep those oligarchs happy!

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      Like when she was up there giving her chatgpt, “make me sound inspirational” concession speech rather than just being mad as hell like the rest of us. She’s plays leader but she will sit in the manager cubical while the rest of us eat the company provided cold turkey in the break room the day before Thanksgiving.

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    We’re 2.5-3 years away from the primary race even starting, and 3+ years away from the convention. This poll means absolutely nothing at this point.

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    so people think that AOC or Harris is going to win in this very racist/sexist country we are in? Guess it will be Trump again.

  • Tanis Nikana
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    Yeah, we’re not gonna get another election. We blew it as a country. Shit’s over.

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      Don’t play into the doom that Trump & Musk want us to all have. The fight ain’t over till it’s over

    • Tanis Nikana
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      Also hey person who downvoted me, I really hope you’re right. Another election would be good. It’s just there’s all this doom in the air.

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        I think there will be another election but you know that Trump is going to try something like refuse to leave office or challenge the validation of the election. Hopefully the midterms are a land slide for the Dems and we can get some sanity back

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        Defeat, doom, and giving up just makes it a done deal and accomplishes nothing.

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    Is this that shocking? Ocasio-Cortez seems to be the only politician left of tired milquetoast liberalism with both the public profile to sustain a campaign and demographic profile amicable to the position.