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They just cut head start, slashed medicade(51% of us babies are born on this program), no medicade no pediatric care for your baby either, cut hud, slashed the department of education, blocked student loan forgiveness, are dismantling the aca preventative care mandate, gutting worker protections, canceling child labor laws, laid off 275,000 workers and destroyed their livelihood and tanked the economy ……yea the birth rate is going to plummet. 5k lol doesn’t even cover a fraction of the utter devastation coming to American families from these moronic policies. Who in their right mind would want to bring a child into this racist sexist tech bro oligarchy?
And all to fund tax cuts for the wealthy - who don’t need them.
Are you saying the game of achieving highscores for world’s richest person with ever higher numbers isn’t important? /s
But that is a lot of complicated words, 5k is much easier to make a headline about, and re-elect the same people.
yea the birth rate is going to plummet.
I’m not so sure. Impoverished countries have the highest birth rates. I can imagine the logic of the wealthy 0.001% being “if we make the rest of the country as broke as Somalia, the birth rate will also be as high as Somalia.”
The Headstart cut hurts a lot. I know people that gone to that when they were little and had nothing but good things to say.
How about some of that socialism for the rest of us, and not just for breeders and soybean farmers?
5000$ is a lot. In Germany you get only 250€
well, that's
per month until they’re 27 (as long as they’re still in school/university)
plus free healthcare for mother and child
plus free daycare (depending on the state)
plus free schools and universities
…You got me in the first half.
We can all hope once the nazis leave, we too can be a civilized country.
I’m with you here, but we need to keep in mind that the nazis never “leave”. We’ll need to forever and continually keep these bastards from power.
This was the whole problem, they’ve been here all along.
We thought we beat them in the civil war, they just hunkered down and changed the name of slavery to Jim crow.
Now they think this is their moment.
Same thoughts here. Once they’re beaten, no “reconstruction” can be offered this time around. They’ll need to re-assimilate into our society.
If it’s like the civil war, we’ll kick them out and then build statues and name bases after them.
You forgot maternity leave, something the 'mricans don’t know, either.
whats leave
The paid variety. You stay at home for a certain time for being a mom (or dad!), and you employer respectively the state still pays for it. Horrible, this “communism”, isn’t it?
i understand the individual words you use, but when you put them in that order my blood starts getting all bubbly and full of nitrogen. i think i’ll take a nap
To add on, seems like the 5k (USD) is a one-time lump sum. Your price quote from Germany is already 3k (EUR) after a year. It only ever outscales the 5k.
See. Let’s ping Trump and tell him about it.
Maybe he’ll see the light
They chose to use a stock photo of a million dollars.
$5000 is only 2 and a half of those bundles of $20’s.
These people are trying to run propaganda for Trump, they can’t even keep their fascist bullshit straight.
but when you look through maga glasses, that’s what you see when a black single mom of 2 receives a wic voucher for a couple gallons of milk.
You see, its not one black mom, its the millions of moms getting subsidies!
Lets ignore the part where we somewhy have a million moms needing subsidies.
Thank you! Maddening!
Is that a million? They’re 20 dollar bills in packs of what looks like it might be 100, so $2000 per pack. There’s about 50 of those, so $100.000 in total. Maybe I underestimated the pack size and number of packs and it’s actually $400.000, but I think it’s unlikely to be a million. (I still agree with the rest of your comment of course)
I worked both Brinks type security and for Chase, so the inside and outside. That’s not a million. It’s probably somewhere between a quarter and a half, but the picture doesn’t make it super easy to tell.
Your point is very valid however, they used a deceiving picture on purpose.
Yeah looks about right with the hundred stacks in there. I’m not putting a ton of effort in here, but eyeballing it looks about like what I’d expect.
Was gonna say actually you’re probably right because it was probably a couple of suitcases and then the 300 K backpack
Cheers for low effort irrelevant curiosities
Lol so even if they were $1 bills that wouldn’t be an accurate pic hahaha
Better Idea, let’s fix the economy so people can afford to have Babies.
Or fix the world so we want to have Babies.
Or lower the price of housing so we have a place to put babies.
Or open forced breeding camps, shanty towns and and slave labor…oh wait.
One of those are more likely than the others. It’s the last one.
And you just know the people coming out of those labour factories will all share a visibly distinct attribute - or tint, god help me for saying that - that makes them recognizable as low-caste now as it did in the 1800s.
I hate fearing that is right around the corner. Again, fuck.
I’m gonna fucking laugh if it leads to a revolution due to the slaves being the only people actively reproducing
What do you think all of this immigrant shit is about. They want white babies.
Look at the historic birth rate in countries where where these things aren’t an issue and you’ll realize that unless you walk back on women rights and access to contraception, people won’t have enough babies to renew the population because they simple don’t want to have enough of them to do so.
There might be other factors at play. Deciding to have a child is a complex decision. But not having those things mentioned just makes the problem worse.
Also, speaking of historical facts. Even outlawing abortion and such doesn’t stop it. They travel or use risky methods. Or they put the kid up for adoption which leads to a massive spike in crime. Which is why roughly 18 years after Roe v Wade there was a drop in crime.
As I said, it’s just historical stats from a bunch of different countries that all show the same thing.
Both my sisters in law have three kids and get about $1.6k in financial help, super cheap childcare and free healthcare, they’re still in the minority of people who have 3 kids in Canada and most of the decline happened just as the pill was made legal and women started having rights and didn’t depend on their husband to, for example, open a bank account and at a time when buying a house wasn’t an issue.
Look at migrants from African countries, childbirth over there is super high, they move to a rich country and they don’t have as many kids as the average in their country of origin even though living conditions are better.
Women rights. Contraception.
You call out all the reasons they should have a kid, like free healthcare. But ignore all the reasons why people don’t want to have kids.
You also ignore all the reasons why someone in a 3rd world country might have more kids. Like mortality rate, needing more hands for work, etc.
Yes contraception and reproductive rights are part of it. But acting like those are the only things it’s naive.
Acting like making peoples lives more comfortable will make them want to have kids is every more naive, that’s why I was replying in the first place. There’s plenty of reasons people don’t want them, women rights gives them even more reasons, women rights and contraception gives them the means to prevent it.
Lol, you’re clearly invested in one side and doing research in only one direction. There are plenty of reasons people would want kids too. There are plenty of reasons they don’t have kids that can be changed.
You also pick out a chart that conveniently only has things that support this view called out. Ignoring correlation doesn’t equal causation. If you think so, this site will blow your mind https://search.app/RrPkGZ5UpJcSrvHU9
I’m not here to change your mind, you’ve made it up. I’ve said my piece.
Thing is, when you see the same thing happen all over the world then saying “correlation doesn’t equal causation!” just makes you look dumb.
How in the fuck do you write “unless you walk back on women rights”? Like what happens in your mind that you actually post that for the public to see? Shame on you for that misogyny, you deserve a slap.
Also, where is this magical country where I don’t have to worry about wealth inequality and climate catastrophe?
You are absolutely arguing in bad faith, and for that, fuck you.
Reading comprehension much?
I never said it was acceptable to walk back on women rights, I said it’s something that people who want to see a higher birthrate will have to fight against because it’s not happening otherwise. I couldn’t give more of a crap about increasing birthrate, I won’t have kids by choice. I do give a fucking crap about women rights though!
I mentioned historical statistics because you can look back at times before climate change and wealth inequality worried anyone and birthrate was going down as women rights increased and contraception became readily available.
So, conclusion, if women are given the right to do more with their lives than being mothers and if contraceptives are made available, couples will make the decision not to have enough kids to renew the population, no matter how easy it is to have them, as we can see in all developed countries where socio economic inequality is lower than in the US. Scandinavian countries don’t renew their population without immigration and haven’t for a fucking long time, in Finland birthrate went below renewal rate before WW2 for fuck’s sake!
It’s the most horrendous correlation-is-causation I’ve ever seen.
And people outside US have it better, but the trajectory is mostly the same everywhere, so you’re just full of shit.
It’s not easy to have children ANYWHERE, and in most places it just too expensive or downright impossible due to childcare issues or tons of other things.
I’m talking about historic data and you’re unable to understand what that means in terms of variation in quality of life over time. Even when people could make it on a single income they didn’t have 2.1 kids if they had the means to prevent it.
Hell, millionaires and billionaires don’t have enough kids to renew the population either, but I guess you will find some way to not understand that either.
What the fuck are you on about?
“Billionares are parenting on average 2.99 children”
It’s you who mixes shit with stats and acting tough.
Shut up.
Wrong again
The average number of children among the 512 billionaires was 2.64, with US and Russian billionaires having higher averages of 2.8 and 3.2, respectively. The average number of children was also higher among older billionaires, **ranging from 1.05 among billionaires aged less than 45 ** to 3.2 among billionaires aged over 75. Among female billionaires, the average number of children was 2.41, while among males, it was slightly higher at 2.66. Tables 1-4 provide a detailed breakdown of the data.
1.05 kids for the ones under 45, will you look at that, just like everyone else in their generation, they don’t have kids!
Or open forced breeding camps, shanty towns and and slave labor…oh wait.
Mmm yes, Borrasca.
This wouldn’t even cover the hospital bill for most people lol.
And since hospitals know moms will be getting an extra 5k they will just add that into the cost somehow. /s
No need to put a /s there
That won’t even cover half of the (insured) cost of even the smoothest birth with my plan, and I work for a multi-billion dollar company.
This country, man. Having traveled abroad a bit, you start to realize how tunnel-visioned people stateside can get. Don’t even realize how much they/we are getting fleeced.
Meanwhile Id kill for those 5k bucks. But thats becausw the right to stay alive doesnt cost me a kidney
Having traveled abroad a bit, you start to realize how tunnel-visioned people stateside can get. Don’t even realize how much they/we are getting fleeced.
It’s the classic of someone having to visit a doctor while in Europe. And they’re always shocked at how cheap it is in comparison. Even people who know it’s much cheaper tend to think it’s like 50% , not 99-100% less. I had an emergency room visit with blood and urine testing, painkiller injection, private exam room, etc… It took a few hours and was about $25 that you could pay at a machine on your way out.
I was gonna day $5k is just a handout to insurance companies for just the birth of the baby.
Which is, well, the end of Republicans giving a shit about babies and children.
Oopsies, births cost $5k more now tee hee.
giving birth in a hospital costs $10k, after insurance payback?
Our deductible was about 6,500. It depends what kind of plan you’re on
I wouldn’t use the word “tunnel-visioned”. That implies focused on something and ignoring the things nearby.
I think it’s more accurate to say “ignorant”. Many, probably most Americans just have no clue about most things outside the USA. You’ve travelled abroad, most Americans have not. The US is such an insular society that people can get away with saying things like “Canadians hate their healthcare” and people actually believe them.
Agreed. Solid point
WE CAN’T DO THAT, IT’S LIKE PUNISHING THE MOMS WHO ALREADY HAD CHILDREN!!! /s
That’s the nice thing in a social democracy
When the next generations has better education, my pension fund will be more filled
In practice though, it seems people are the same kind of stupid…
This is literally going to be an argument if people start proposing free daycare/child care :/
“I had to suffer so you should too!”
It’s already been done to college students - that’s the parallel I was trying to draw
It won’t even cover the cost of giving birth. This is some real “how much could a banana cost” energy.
Also, the cost of giving birth will magically jump up by $5,000 as soon as this passes. It was never a function of how much it cost to actually provide that service.
$8000 if the mother wants to hold her baby after birth
And you wanna take that baby home? Well there’s a few for that.
Trade:
- One person’s wages
For:
- Mortgage payments on a reasonably sized house
- All bills
- Food for two adults plus children
- Entertainment
Then you might see more babies.
It was their greed that caused this.
Clinton Floats $5,000 Baby Bond
~ September 28, 2007
It’s nice to know these two are still in touch.
put into an index fund over the last seventeen years, that $5k is now $30k. it was not a terrible idea.
Not on its face, no. I think it’s still a band-aid attached to a bigger problem of generational inequality. Public housing, education, and a large competitive public hiring sector would have gone much farther in rectifying poverty in the US.
But the extra insulting aspect of “Baby Bonds” is that they’re an idea dangled over a public hungry for economic reforms which never actually gets delivered. When liberals lose, they get to nag centrists and insist “We had all these good ideas but you were too racist and stupid to accept them”. When they win, we get an earful about how the federal courts, the super-majority Senate, the prior administration’s mid-level bureaucrats, the state legislatures, and two dozen of DC’s biggest lobbying firms all have to agree to go along with it or the reforms can’t pass.
Seems like Republicans are getting in on the same act, now that kitchen table liberalism is experiencing a popular resurgence.
Of all the people who are so strapped they could receive $5k and not immediately blow it on visa bills and rent, parents aren’t even close to the list. $5k into investments? Most of them are either flirting with bankruptcy or engaging in some heavy petting in a corner booth.
Don’t judge me. I got kids to feed.
It’s really gonna help to pay for diapers in an index fund.
In Bill Clinton’s defense it was intended for the child, not the parent.
From the article: “I like the idea of giving every baby born in America a $5,000 account that will grow over time,” said Clinton, “so when that young person turns 18 if they have finished high school they will be able to access it to go to college or maybe they will be able to put that down payment on their first home, or go into business.”
Personally I think the policy is a good idea, especially since it doesn’t encourage unwanted children from a short-term desire for cash. It would be great along with medicare for all, free tuition, a livable minimum wage, government housing for all, UBI…
I think it sounds like a way to give a bunch of money to Wall Street so they can gamble with it
Totally original idea
https://www.npr.org/2024/08/15/nx-s1-5077776/kamala-harris-child-tax-credit-housing
Are these those welfare babies Republicans always screeeched about?
With the tariffs that hardly helps.
I feel like that’s more than $5k in the picture if they’re all $20 bills.
Yeah, I counted at least 50 stacks of $20 bills. Usually those stacks are 100 bills each, so over $100k in that pic.
Those stacks aren’t 100 dollars each that’s for sure… More like 1000… I count at least 47 stacks… So let’s round to 50…
Yeah that’s 50k, which is definitely more than 5k
50k, […] is definitely more than 5k
Source?
Look at the picture and count
Seems like fake news. Do you have any studies backing it up? 50k > 5k definitely doesn’t sound right.
You can’t clothe a baby for a year with $5k? We did it for basically fuck all. Had a load of stuff handed on from other parents, got some stuff from ebay and in sales. The fuck are you dressing the kid in, solid gold? Also how much is this person spending on diapers? There is no way you’re spending $5k on nappies and clothes for a baby in one year, utter lunacy. Not that I agree with anything that Trump does, but this seems like a huge overreaction. I’m not from the US so I don’t know how expensive this stuff is over there, but if it really costs this much to clothe one baby for a year then fuck me and I’m shocked.
I’m not from the US so I don’t know how expensive this stuff is over there, but if it really costs this much to clothe one baby for a year then fuck me and I’m shocked.
Be prepared to be shocked.
Maybe you should keep your comments to yourself if you know you’re ignorant on the subject.
Actually they’re right that the clothing and diapers aren’t that expensive. I saw my costs increase by about $100 per month when I added a new child to the family. Diapers are like $20ish bucks a month, and baby clothes outlast their wearers so you can find them for less than a dollar per garment at garage sales and thrift stores, often still with the tags on them. Or free if you have friends/family with slightly older kids who can pass you what they’ve outgrown. When my kids were babies the biggest expense was formula, but that was because my wife couldn’t produce milk and they both were very sensitive and needed specific formula that didn’t upset their stomachs (I also happened to have both kids right when formula shortages were beginning which was extra fun)
The real expenses are childcare and healthcare of course. Both children cost the entire out of pocket maximum from our insurance (5 and 8 thousand dollars specifically) and we haven’t even tried looking at childcare costs and have my wife out of work instead
A lot of these people have been conditioned to spend their money like idiots while complaining they don’t have enough.
These are the kinds of people who are “too good” to shop at Walmart and subscribe to things they can be getting for free.
Good, good, keep othering and finding reasons to despise your fellow working class. This shit is exactly what the oligarchs want.
both can be true, 5k isn’t enough to pay for a delivery at a hospital, but should absolutely be enough to clothe a baby for a year or two.
Agreed. Anyone paying 5k to clothe a baby for a year is braindead.
