• @[email protected]
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    If someone is looking for an alternative, use the clangd extension. It’s much better compared to the Microsoft one. LLDB extension is good for debugging. Also works with gdb.

    The only things I am lacking now is the one for remote, python.

    • @[email protected]
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      BasedPyright should have you covered on the Python end, the downside is you also need to install the PyPi package.

      Have used it and it’s excellent, even has additional features over Pylance

      • Eager Eagle
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        22 months ago

        Do you still have refactoring tools with it, like symbol renaming, go to definition, and extract method?

        • @[email protected]
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          I think so, and it might even be a feature of the upstream Microsoft OSS Pyright, so even that version should(?) have those features available

          • @[email protected]
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            No Pyright is just a type checker. The IDE features are part of Pylance which is closed source.

    • JustEnoughDucks
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      I am trying to figure out how to get zephyr, platformio, and nrfconnect to work with clangd.

      Platformio screams every second because Microsoft’s tooling is a dependency.

      Zephyr and nrfconnect work for many things, but things like including drivers from zephyr/drivers doesn’t autofill which is annoying if you are searching for a driver that might exist in nrfconnect or might not because there are some differences. It also doesn’t autofill macros and device tree defines.

      If anyone has a good guide on how to set up clangd for zephyr, I would appreciate it!

    • @[email protected]
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      22 months ago

      I think they did a good job of writing a neutral comparison. Based on what it said, I think there’s no reason for me to stop using VS Code right now, but I’ll keep an eye on Theia and reconsider it my needs change.

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      (…), e.g. via a user-customizable toolbar and how views can be layouted.

      I WILL find these people and hurt them. Nobody will blame me.

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        I hate the way it sounds but, at the same time, it is simpler and more regular.

        • MudMan
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          So is “I runned to the shop and buyed a bottle of milk”.

          “Layout” is a noun made from a verb. Just say “how the views can be laid out”. You can’t make a verb out of a noun made from a verb. It makes my brainies ouchie.

          • @[email protected]
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            Your example doesn’t quite fit the crime. A better example would be. “I ran and catch upped to him.” Or “These clothes are available to be try onned.”

            To be fair I once asked an Italian what was the hardest part of English and they said compound verbs, so maybe they’re just not native English.

            That’s my charitable explanation anyway. If not I’m joining the hunt!

  • @[email protected]
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    Good example why you don’t want to use and rely on proprietary software (the extension is not 100% open source as I understand), if there are free (as in source code and license) alternatives.

    • @[email protected]
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      A professor once told me “don’t trust ‘free software’ from a megacorp”, most important thing I learned in college.

      • @[email protected]
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        32 months ago

        Technically this shit isn’t even free (libre); atleast with corpo projects we can always fork them

  • @[email protected]
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    Maybe it’s just me, but I never got that thing to work right anyway - with VSC. It keeps running amok and using up all the CPU time doing stuff it should not be doing, trying to analyze every single file in my VM every single time it is started.

    So… good riddance.

  • @[email protected]
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    A few things to point out:

    • Microsoft created this extension and pays money to develop it
    • Despite that, they give it to programmers for free. It is still free of charge.
    • They explicitly said that using it outside of their products is forbidden (according to article: at least 5 years ago), they just didn’t enforce it
    • Someone (here: Cursor developers), despite that, used it in their products and started to make money from it

    What exactly are you mad at? When will programming community finally understand that Microsoft is not a non-profit company and its primary purpose is to make money?

    • @[email protected]
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      202 months ago

      Plus you can always just use clangd. Its what I’ve always used with every text editor that has LSP support.

      • @[email protected]
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        I wish there was a GCC equivalent; but even if clang is a corpowhore project it’s atleast OSS

      • @[email protected]
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        Honestly moving to clangd has got to be the single best thing I’ve done in C++, it’s cross platform and I’ve found it to be significantly faster, more reliable, and more featureful than Microsoft’s C++ plugin by a long shot

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          I havent used vscode in while but I do remember having a lot of issues with the Microsoft C++ plugin, especially in large projects. I switched to clangd very quickly.

    • Ephera
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      The problem is that they’re killing competition. Treating a company with the market dominance of Microsoft like a normal company would be fatal for humanity. Because they are eliminating innovation by Cursor and they do not need to do this to finance their own innovation. Effectively, humanity gets less innovation by Microsoft doing this.

      • @[email protected]
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        292 months ago

        But Microsoft developed it in the first place. It’s perfectly within their rights to pull it and developers making money off of their work isn’t bad either. I love a good pitchfork to corporate, but this is honestly fine.

        • @[email protected]
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          262 months ago

          Well; companies used to get anti-trust laser canon’ed from orbit for less; but good luck with that in modern America

          • @[email protected]
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            I wholeheartedly agree that monopolistic practices should be nuked instantly, but I disagree that this was ever well enforced. Microsoft got away with murder in the 90’s before they went to court and even then, feels like they got a slap on the wrist…

            I think that this particular case is very far from that, but it does start to smell the same.

            • @[email protected]
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              You should study about the trustbusting era of early 1900s. Then in the late 70s a new law reinforced antitrust legislation.

              The issue is that the pendulum swings fast away from trustbusting and slowly back to it. Trustbusting creates economic development and prosperity, reducing public outcry for it, and capitalists yank the levers of government again towards monopoly building.

              You mention the nineties, by even then Netscape successfully challenged Microsoft. But it was too little too late. The pendulum was already swinging back to monopoly, and it’s reaching it’s maximum in our days.

        • lacaio da inquisição
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          I think owning a platform like GitHub and acting like you can profit out of your code (not your product) isn’t good news.

      • @[email protected]
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        The problem is that they’re killing competition.

        So, they pay to develop a product, for themselves, explicitly says “it’s only for us, shoo shoo”, and when they decide that their product, that they pay for, and provide for free to their user, should not be used by other, it kills the competition that did not do anything except take the product for free despite being told not to?

        I’m not on the side of Microsoft for most things. But if doing nothing but taking someone else’s free product qualifies to be competition that should be protected, we’re having problems.

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          You’re looking at it in isolation, I’m looking at it in terms of this being Microsoft, a company which has held humanity back for most of its existence, now retracting something where they did a decent thing for once.

    • @[email protected]
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      Because a .vscode still pollute most open source projects. It"s annoying that they get people hooked on it that could use better tools instead.

      • Eyedust
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        One that’s worked for Microsoft many times before (docx, for example). Its their favorite loophole.

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        Embrace.

        Extend.

        Extinguish. Extract rent now that everyone lives in / depends on your proprietary ecosystem.

        I’d say they can’t keep getting away with it!, but history shows they clearly can.

        Literally monopolist strategy 101.

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          This was all people were talking about when they bought GitHub. We’ve past the “Extend” stage now.

    • @[email protected]
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      I heard Theo talking about this and I think he guessed that they don’t want to maintain these against forks is the number of people raising issues that are not related to the extension and more due to the fork.

      His video goes into a lot of good detail as to what’s likely going on.

      What Theo also says is that remember that they don’t make any money off of VSCode at all.

    • JackbyDev
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      Don’t be upset it took people a long time to realize Visual Studio Code is fauxpen source, just be glad they’re finally realizing it. No need to be condescending and make people feel ashamed over it.

    • @[email protected]
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      It’s also blocked in VSCodium whose developers are not making money off it.

      So that’s not a nice thing.

      • @[email protected]
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        202 months ago

        At least VSCodium cares about software licenses, (see it works both ways)

        That Cursor (an AI focused) fork doesn’t shouldn’t be very shocking.

  • @[email protected]
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    holy shit! the thing I’ve been warning developers who promote and use this shitty tool has finally happened.

    shockedpikachu.jpeg

    if you write fossy software, don’t use products made by fossy enemies.

  • daskye
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    I think a lot of people would really benefit from learning neovim

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    Good opportunity for Jetbrains to jump in. Maybe if they MIT licensed their community-edition tools.

    • @[email protected]
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      Jetbrains have gone the opposite direction unfortunately. The latest version of PyCharm came with the announcement that PyCharm Community is being discontinued. Instead, they will provide just one PyCharm (the closed source one) formerly PyCharm Professional, that can operated in a Basic (Free) mode, or a Pro (Licenced) mode. Also, some features that were free in Community edition will be moved to the Pro mode in the new PyCharm.

      It doesn’t affect me personally because my workplace pays for a pro subscription for me, but I used PyCharm Community for 4 years during uni and I’m sad it’s going.

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          personally, after trying theia, i know its good, but its extremely hard to configure some things like i want to, because even though it is the same editor as they put it, i cant do some things the same way. Found issues about this, turns out they are from 2019. Kind of sucks.

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          Yes you’re right, they do. But 10 years ago when I was studying, my university (in Australia) was not on their list of valid academic institutions.

          I still have access to my uni email address, and earlier this year I found indeed I could use it to get access to a free Jetbrains student licence.

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        Not sure if you read this blog post: https://blog.jetbrains.com/pycharm/2025/04/unified-pycharm/

        Rest assured – our commitment to open-source development remains as strong as ever. The Community Edition codebase will stay public on GitHub, and we’ll continue to maintain and update it. We’ll also provide an easy way to build PyCharm from source via GitHub Actions.

        PyCharm is - like all JetBrains IDEs - based on intellij-community and the “Pro” stuff just some fancy pre-installed plugin that requires a license.

        Alternatively, you may choose to manually switch to the new PyCharm immediately and keep using everything you have now for free, plus the support for Jupyter notebooks.

        So all community functionallities will also be available in the unified edition for free.

        Also the Pro license - which you can also get 4 free in like 10 different ways - pricing is extremely fair: A license costs $100-60 for an individual, which is cheaper than most streaming subscriptions…

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      You are late. They have already did the same with C# extension, and made it closed source too.

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        I’m not up-to-date: what did they do to the C# extension? I’ve been using it on a personal project and haven’t experienced anything egregiously terrible (yet)

        • copygirl
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          A lot of the C# ecosystem is open source (thank goodness), but the official debugger isn’t, hence it only being available in the proprietary version of VSCode.

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      It was explicitly said to not use this outside of VSCode, so, I’m not sure where the surprise comes from.