KKK stole the outfit from earlier Christian rituals.
White supremacists stole from another culture? Shocking, that’s never happened before
It’s their culture too, Americans didn’t spontaneously generate as a colony. These outfits are from Europe.
The funny thing is that they had periods where they hated Catholics almost as much as their other targets while pretending to be a holy order of Catholic knights. They were literally the exact same kind of Christo-fascist as modern neo-crusaders but wouldn’t let Catholics in.
For some reason, I’m thinking of the scene in Django Unchained where the guy is griping that his wife worked hard on this!
Specifically Catholic. It’s a great example of appropriation.
Supremacists always appropriate things. Ok symbol, sacred numbers/symbols, clothing, words, deities, and twist it to exclude.
Because fascists have no creativity.
As a general rule at least… I guess you can end up with a Leni Riefenstahl every now and then, but for the most part, if you were a good artist at the time in Germany, you were a target. And I guess one could call Josef Mengele “creative” if you remove all positive connotations from the word.
I had to wiki her, and read about Blue Light and her first propaganda film. And her “how could we know.” I guess for me it shows how easily anyone, dreamers and realists alike, can fall under the spell of skilled orators, especially the disenfranchised, wounded, left behind. Which is why I think it’s important to leave pettiness and insults behind and beneath us, and rise to healing language and honesty, first with ourselves, and then extended to our kindred. Because we are them and they are us. We just mirror our better and worst selves to each other. If what we see as the worst in ourselves repel us and cause us to use unconscionable language and tactics, why would our kindred react differently?
I’m not talking about crimes against things or even necessarily institutions, but about crimes against humanity. The most poignant rl illustration I can refer to is the attempted genocide to the Jewish people, to now the near complete genocide of the Palestinian people. It was wrong then and it’s wrong now.
Yep. There are still swastikas all over Korea because it’s been associated with Buddhists for far longer than Hitler who appropriated it. Freaks out visiting westerners, though.
It’s not just Buddhists. Asatru, Norse/Germanic cultures, too. It ticks me off we have to give up things sacred to us because they’ve been misused. Aleister Crowley reveled in it and played it to the hilt, though. Yeats was not amused.
And Hindu.
Probably more, too.
Conservatives are incapable of original thought. Every joke they have and every insult they sling is just something they heard from a leftist, bastardized.
Maybe leftists could drop the insults and adopt healing language…
The right has gone full Reich.
No. I would rather go to prison than ever speak kindly to a Nazi.
I don’t think “they go low, we go low” is improving anything.
Killing Nazis is high, not low. Don’t be a fence sitter about fucking Nazis. JFC centrists are so unhelpful.
I’m talking about rhetoric. Friend, I’m probably more left than you might imagine. And I’d very well imagine the current Israeli administration saying the same thing you just said, about Palestinians. As I age, and continue to temper the worst parts of myself, I’ve come to
understand, innerstand,* overstand, and understand, good and evil may be opposites, but they occupy the same spectrum as life and death, light and darkness. I pray at some point, you will, too.*The tech-moneymasters who appropriate all things to ai in their bid to be omniscient immortals can’t seem to grasp the value of certain other appropriated words, yet.
Everybody appropriates.
This language that you are speaking is appropriated from a bunch of other languages and cultures.
Is it appropriation if you treat people and their culture with respect? Because i dont think the issue here is how the KKK dresses. It is what they stand for ideologically and what they do. That is what makes it appropriation imo.
Yes, has no inherent bias or prejudice.
Are you asking me?
I want to agree with you, but I’m not so sure. I think different individuals have very different thoughts on that. And now I need to sit with this for a while.
That’s true.
True, but there are nuances. Stealing a symbol and giving it new meaning by using it for a different purpose is obviously a worse kind of appropriation than adopting language and culture.
So it’s not just regular appropriation, it’s the bad kind of appropriation. Because they’re bad.
Have I got that right?
Yes. Cause it’s different when I do it. I really have to sit with this.
Appropriation implies a form of exclusivity and denying the original’s validity. As in:
KKK took that symbol and forever changed everyone’s association with it to their own org.
It’s not appropriation to use a thing, it’s appropriation to treat your use of the thing as the correct/real one.
So annoying. Same with swastika.
So just a slightly different flavor.
To give some context, originally a ‘nazareno’ is somebody paying penitence for sins committed since last years Easter. Part of their ‘penitence’ is to march in procession covered with those robes. The ‘capirote’ (the hood) is intended to keep those sinners (that could be important or well known people) anonymous.
I’m not sure if this is still valid today or if it’s now just a performance. Someone from the south of Spain will more about that than myself.
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Different country, this is a Dutch tradition. As a Dutch man, this shit is racist as hell and they know it. Anyone who still adores black Pete or dons the blackface is a racist motherfucker.
Nothing prepared me for this when I moved from the US to NLD. My first year I was so shocked. One Sunny Bergman documentary later (Zwart Als Roet) and I was vindicated. Nuts that it still goes on. Ongeloofelijk (unbelievable)!
Kohl-pech-raben-schwarz as it goes in one german story about saint nicolas, not just black but kohl-pech-raben-schwarz. Black-black-black-black-black :3
Why do they do that shit??
White Santa Claus = good and brings presents
Black Peter = evil and punishes the kids
Netherlands colonised africa.
It has always been racist, there’s just no direct proof for it.
These days after protests, they claim it’s grime, so they don’t paint their faces in black anymore but put some smut on it.
6 to 8 did you say??
My “niggas!” Oh shit…wait
I got my own little guy I bought as a souvenir in Malaga during Semana Santa (Holy Week) 2013
I call him Miguel
I saw the processions for Semana Santa a few years ago in Madrid. My girlfriend knew I hadn’t seen this before and didn’t tell me just so she could see my reaction.
I was fairly shocked, and asked her what the craic with that was.
She explained the KKK stole the look, and this celebration outdates the KKK by many years.
Probably centuries.
And this means A-Okay, not whatever the hell nazis decided.
Incidentally, if you’re one of the people who changed from this to a thumbs-up to make sure nobody thought you were evil, the thumbs-up gesture in Australia means “up yours”. Morally perfect hand gestures aren’t easy.
Iirc, wasn’t this made a white supremisist symbol specifically after people jokingly or mistakenly called it one?
Like, it was a perfectly okay hand gesture, then some dude on 4chan said it’s a racist symbol (Maybe joking maybe not) some people bought into it and real racists started using it as a calling card?
Correct me if I’m wrong.
My understanding of the event:
- 4chan jokes they should pretend the okay hand sign is a white supremacist dog whistle to trigger libs.
- They do and it works.
- Online shitters who’s whole personality is “triggering sjw’s” pick up on this and perpetuate the joke to continue to trigger people.
Basically people getting mad at a joke caused it to become a real thing to some degree. While not a supremacist symbol it was heavily used by them for a time.
Unless you flash it below your waist, then it means you can punch them if they see it
Only if it’s upside down, above the knee, and not if they put a finger through it without breaking eye contact
How tf did this ever become a thing
Like I know obviously it’s just a funny excuse to punch your friend the same way a VW Beetle is but like,
“make a ring with your fingers and hold it near your dick and then call for your friend’s attention and then when he gives you attention, proving that he’s a good friend that listens to you, laugh at him and then punch him in the kidney”
Does this not seem insane to anyone else, I have to know the etymology of this but I don’t know how to look it up
Sure wait I got the history. It’s a bit long:
History
Australian here. Sorry that’s not a thing. Maybe if you gestured the thumbs up in a particular way? (Usually moving your whole arm up and of towards your shoulder? Honestly hard to explain in text). But that’s kind of a whole new gesture, not a thumbs up.
Don’t be afraid of doing the thumbs up here, we all do it and know what it means.
Admittedly my info is a couple decades old. When my college friends studying in Australia tried to hitchhike with their thumbs, drivers angrily returned the gesture. They were later informed that it meant “up yours” and that the correct way was to point an index finger toward where they wanted to go. Maybe years of Americans visiting have changed this.
Funny thing from an Australian friend who moved to Seattle where I live - we used to have a restaurant called Dag’s that served “Dag-burgers”. She said to her “dags” were little balls of shit clinging to a sheep’s fur. She sent home a photo of herself by the sign and her relatives thought it was hysterical.
Ahh there you go, maybe hitchhiking culture was different down here. Although I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone attempting to hitch-hike in my life tbh. Just not something people do anymore I guess. (Maybe it happens in more rural areas).
You’re not wrong about your culture spreading though. Halloween wasn’t even considered a thing when I was growing up. Now… depending on where you live you get kids attempting it. But it’s still a minority. Many grumpy home-owners saying “this isn’t America!” still exist.
‘Dag’ is certainly some aussie slang. Although I’ve never heard it used like that, I spose that might be its origin (sheep shearers are kind of a historical working class icon here). These days it’s probably be more synonymous with “dork”, or wearing some unfashionable clothing.
What about “rattle your dags”? Meaning to get going, often when late.
It was explained to me that dags were dried balls of shit stuck to hair
hahaha, I’ve never heard that before but It sure sounds amusing.
Like I said before, I think that very well may be the origin of the term. But it’s certainly not commonly use in the city like that these days.
I never used it to begin with. It was always some old-timey gesture I only ever saw in media. The first time I did see it in person, it was used in a “Made you look and now I get to slap you upside the head” sort of game.
Apparently, in Spain thumbs up means someone “horned” you, betrayed you with someone else.
Uh, no. The ‘devil horn’ sign, aka heavy metal salute DOES mean that. Thumbs up is just ‘thumbs up’ (it’s an imported/borrowed sign, as far as ai know)
Oh, right, jumbled it up.
That means 0 and no one can convince me otherwise
No it’s 3
not KKK
That is exactly what … well, what a KKK member would never actually say, so it’s legit.
Didn’t the KKK get their aesthetic sensibility from various medieval/early-modern religious paramilitary organisations like the Spanish Inquisition and the Holy Vehm?
Like all regressive movements, they’re incapable of original thought and constantly steal aesthetic from others. Yes.
To be fair, christianity is a medley of ancient and medieval cultures and stories.
If you create brand new symbols then nobody knows what yr talking about. Borrowing other people’s symbols is really the only way to be understood.
It’s really not. It’s just a lot easier to steal than create.
Kkk*
* laughing in Brazilian.
I was in Spain a few years ago, and decided against certain mementos for this reason. Sorry, it may not be KKK, but I won’t display a whirling log in my house for similar reasons…
What’s with the log?
I got a wonderful Buddhist hanging charm for my car with a nice big 卍 (wàn) on it and you better believe I don’t give a fig what people are gonna think about that!
You absolutely need to have a prop to represent Buddha’s heart and mind hanging from your rear view mirror to achieve nirvana?
I’m not a Buddhist, but that don’t seem like the path…
Schwag and tchotchkes are against the message of the Buddha.
If you meet the Buddha on your travels, kill him.
Haha, very true! But I’m not a Buddhist. It’s a gift from one of my former colleagues in China who gave it to me as a good luck charm.
If not KKK, why KKK shaped?
Learn history?
Ironically the US KKK would have hated the Catholics whose dress they co-opted.
How so???
Despite most of their beleifs being in alignment
So, you’re saying that the KKK has an irrational hatred?
In Spain they are called Nazarenos and are integral to the easter ceremonies of Semana Santa.
Hilarious that the name starts with Naz…
Nazgul?
As in Nazereth. People from Nazareth.
Also Seman Santa lul
I’m a child
Not really
haha they look like candles
Lemmy in a nutshell.
What do you mean?
People eternally apologizing to people who misunderstood them.
Oh I see! Lol
Different Sect.
