They would need to grow spines first.
Is this how liberals fantasize about revolutionary action while still staying as milk toast as possible?
Edit: I appreciate Lemmy for the simple fact that I can use “liberal” in any sub and not be considered a conservative by default when I’m criticizing that perspective.
Man, if I’m milquetoast I don’t know how anyone on this site could get away with being more controversial than I already am.
Well you’re fantasising about elections and not lining up republican politicians against the wall or gunning them down as they head to their car after work.
Yeah, you’re right, your fantasy that you’re never going to do in real life is so much better than that other fantasy that isn’t happening.
I’m not the one in America.
Let them enjoy voting Trump out of office next “election” if they don’t want to stand up.
And how many alt right neo nazis have you slain in the street in your own country? I’ve a feeling I would have heard of you if you had.
Why would I kill them when there’s no threat of them taking over?
I’ve attended rallies in the past and bashed the fash.
OK
Using it the way you do does make you a conservative, though. In the first past the post system if you’re not opposing the conservatives then you’re promoting them.
It’s weird how people think all of politics boils down to which billionaire backed politician you vote for.
It’s weird how literally everyone here was old enough to remember when the dems removed money from politics for over 7 years and the conservative members of the SCOTUS undid it with the Citizens United decisions, and yet chooses not to remember that.
What are you even trying to reach for with this comment?
They’d just have rolled it all back on Jan 21.
I mean, there was plenty of time between November and Jan 21 to rendition 3 justices, anyone in Congress tied to Russian money, the entire trump campaign and all of the Republican money middlemen that launder Russian money for political campaigns
You’re not wrong but would have still had to layout the ground rules somewhere along the way. That and biden would have forced something through.
There isn’t going to be another government or another free election until the current regime is put to the sword.
If it isn’t entirely obvious that’s the next play, I agree.
Agree. But who will do that?
Can’t say.
There’s no need to cancel elections when fascists will easily win again.
Presidential immunity gives a democratic incumbent the right to slap a republican senator daily
It’s rather optimistic assuming that Republicans would act like they gave a shit about rule of law if they were the ones who wrote them. Laws are just for everyone else, in their minds.
Like it or not Republicans do work in the confines of the law. Now, sometimes they make work around or challenge some stuff but that’s the exception more than the rule. Complete lawlessness is only something recently the GOP has started dabbling in.
I wish, but that’s the opposite of the goal of the democratic party. They don’t see themselves as the opposition to the Republican party. Only priorities are maintaining the status quo and getting funding. That does tend to be better for us than the alternative, but any downstream benefits are mostly a happy accident.
A. The Trump administration is breaking the law.
Yes, we know the rules are rigged. The system is dysfunctional. Breaking more things? Not gonna help! We have to get serious about creating something new. We need clear and fair rules.
And CONSEQUENCES.
If Biden did that, it would have been anarchy right now
“If” doing some heavy lifting there
As a dem voter I’m use to betting on precariously placed ‘ifs.’
That’s literally the opposite of what the Dem leadership ever does. Expecting them to put the outcomes for regular people over system rules and norms (and their owner donors) is like expecting a sheep to become an obligate carnivore.
Neoliberals don’t change the system, they ARE the system. You’re not going to get systemic change from someone whose raison d’être is protecting the norms and rules at all costs.
old guard dems are just GOP in disguise, because they often work together behind the scenes making deals, they both of the same megadonors, additionally they hope to get by being “not-republican” candidates.
Nope.
Dems try to adhere to The Rules And Procedures
Pubs don’t give a shit
They’ve got dozens of excuses for failure, that’s just one of them.
Dems try to adhere to The Rules And Procedures
Tell that to Nancy’s stock portfolio… Or is that “legal”?
Either way they’re 2 rich 2 resist.
That first part is kinda what I’m saying: Dems adhere to the rules and procedures even when it prevents them from taking completely reasonable actions that the people who they’re supposed to represent want.
Republicans break all rules and norms to do awful things and Dems refuse to break any rules or norms to stop them.
It’s like a fistfight where one fighter is wielding a sawed off shotgun and the other refuses to even fight dirty.
Well this is the bitch: you can’t play that game. Because the whole point of that game to smash the rules of order. To destroy the social contract. To create chaos and revoke rights. Any move you make is a win for them and a loss for everyone else.
Don’t play chess with pigeons
And that attitude is how we got here:
That’s a false dichotomy.
You’re assuming that the only alternative to slavishly adhering to the rules as determined by people who could not possibly predict today’s circumstances is to ignore the very concept of rules and procedure.
I’m not advocating for Dems to do either. I’m advocating for them to change the rules for the better when they can and to bend or even outright break them when it’s necessary and justified.
Following rules for their own sake even when it’s clearly contrary to the needs and wants of the people is just a more socially acceptable form of authoritarianism.
Not assuming a falsity at all - the rules in question are due process
So THAT’S where you want the goal posts now?
Sure, due process is an inalienable human right that should never be infringed upon.
That obviously wasn’t what I was talking about, though.
Sorry, should have been clearer: due LEGISLATIVE process
So how it usually plays out is that destroying is usually much easier than building.
So if the oligarchs destroy the rules, you will not win by trying to rebuild them. You will only get back to some sense of normal by shooting back and making them understand why the rules were there. And I don’t mean threats.
The moment the office of the president was given complete immunity from everything, Biden should have had Musk shot. More realistically, Dems should have fought judicial appointments the same way as Reps did, and actually appointed activist judges instead of trying and failing to appoing Merrick fucking Garland.
The eleventh hour of the “system” was prosecuting Trump. That system does not exist anymore, there is nothing to defend at this point.
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A Democrat would never do it. You’d need an actual Leftist. They’d be the only ones with enough spine to sacrifice their own political career and reputation to get it done.
True. Democrats only want to govern like actual adults.
I can’t blame you if you prefer the orderliness of corporatism over the chaos of fascism, but the former always ultimately leads to the latter. At some point, you have to get rid of one to prevent the other.
Letting tens of thousands of people die without access to healthcare is acting like an adult???
Liberals are the epitome of the trolley fallacy: passive choices are still choices, letting someone drown in a nasty swamp because you want to stay clean is social murder. Liberals might appear to have clean hands, but their souls are soiled by the deaths of all the people they chose not to help
They’re so obsessed with acting like the adults in the room that they give up everything that actually matters
Liberals will watch you drown in a swamp and then they will brag about how they kept their hands clean.
And as you’re drowning they’ll patronizingly lecture you about “not understanding how things work”, then tell you to trust the process and launch into a speech about the next election
And finally snap at you for annoying them with your incessant requests to “do something”
Yeah, but a bj in the oval office? I mean, have you met Hilary???
if Democrats ever win I fully exepct this:
“Now is a time of healing. To better unify our Great Nation™®© we are going to let Republicans fill every committee and pick every judge, we are even looking into how we might let them have the presidency. If we can’t, do not worry, we will behave as if we were Republicans and will do as they wish.”
Fucking hate how true this is.
Yep, that’s what Obama did with the Bush people and the people that caused the GFC. And now all these people are back for round 2 with nothing learned (well, they learned there are no consequences no matter what they do).
That’s bullshit, whenever the DNC is trifecta majority it’s straight progressive agenda. We need not only democrats but we need senate supermajority again.
I’m not sure we live in the same reality.
Yea, the “democrats” will want to “reach across the table” and work with these fucking traitors. Why? Because most of them are likely in on it.
They take the same money from the same corporations. They don’t care if they win or lose an election.
But corporations are people right?
I can’t believe I had to scroll down this much to find this. This is the true answer.
I think Bernie’s Fight the Oligarchy Tour is changing this, but more people needs to push this.
Once Newsom is in CECOT he will have plenty of time to think about what he could have done.
So is David Hogg, the new Vice Chair of the DNC. He’s a Gen-Z school shooting survivor who’s committed to primary out the centrists and turn them into a real opposition party.
committed to primary out the centrists and turn them into a real opposition party.
I can only say good luck to him. I think the party still wants to be R-lite again.
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I’m talking about Congress. Next November is our next chance at stopping Trump.
I’m talking about Congress. Next November is our next chance at stopping Trump.
Can a party still promoting “let me talk about my Glock so some Republicans might vote for me” Harris have any chance of purging the centrists?
I know I’m being super pessimistic and I hope you are right and would love to be wrong. The trajectory of Kamala’s 2024 campaign pretty much destroyed any notion I had that Dems as a party will ever take any other course but just left of R enough to show daylight between the two. Every time R moves right D just follows.
They’re doing more than making noise on the floor. Democrats voted and spoke out against Trump’s cabinet nominations, forced a 15-day vote against Trump’s executive order, confirmed Biden’s pending judicial appointments when Republican attendance is low, and are the ones bringing these cases to the courts.
With that being said, there are still many appeasement centrists that wouldn’t speak out if you lit them on fire. They’re the ones that need to get replaced with youthful progressives who will drive change, but ultimately that will be up to us at the polls.
Well I appreciate the reminder that things are actually happening in many cases, I’ll try slightly harder to keep my pessimism in check! 🙂
You think the laws will be fair? Check out how they’re going to give Trump a 3rd term but keep Obama ineligible.
You right, they would have said the president is a powerless figure head on Monday and on Tuesday they would have a coronation. Full military parade.
