AOC is a clear choice, I’d say Bernie but I’m already tired of old people in power.
AOC is young, in touch with actual issues, in touch with the generations that are moving the economy, knows the struggle since she used to be a waitress and so far I haven’t seen her go crazy on anyone else’s agenda or buying stocks and enriching herself beyond measure like damn old hag Pelosi.
We can’t put up another woman for a decade or two at least. This country is too misogynistic to elect a woman.
I’m not sure that’s true. While yes, America does have a sexist problem, Hillary won the popular vote.
I think the DNC just keeps putting up bad candidates, some of whom happen to be women
DNC will throw the election before putting a progressive into the race
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That’s pretty much a given.
Okay this was true until the DNC leadership election, but the current leadership leans just left enough that they could go either way.
Right, which is why Ken Martins first act was to put the most centrist, business friendly, working with the far right focussed, uber zionist rebuttal person he could find to Trumps state of the union, Slotkin. he had to prostrate himself at the AIPAC altar first thing. Turning over a new leaf at the DNC, clearly. Things are all so different now. And look at how the new DLC is embracing progressives so warmly right now.
Fair enough. I didn’t know about the state of the union stuff.
Except the chair has stated he is fine with
bribesdonations from “good billionaires”, so we all know it’s going to be the status quo again with them.I mean if you believe in your own moral integrity and the work you’re doing it makes perfect sense to be willing in principle to accept billionaire money. Now I’m not saying he will or won’t be more of the same, but unless you’re a hardline leftist (which I don’t think anyone is expecting Ken Martin to be) the only correct answer to “will you accept billionaire money” is “yes”.
The DNC’s issue isn’t a lack of money, they didn’t lose because they didn’t buy enough interviews with podcasters.
They lost because outside of Bernie and the Squad, they had no ethics, basically stood for nothing, and at times outright accepted bribes to support genocide.
The only correct answer is to grow a spine and say “no”.
Of course they will. Liberalism is a center-right ideology, they’re closer to fascists than leftists.
As time goes on, I think it’s less and less strange our dominant conservative party is called the “Liberal” Party of Australia.
They practically the same party as the democrats. So I guess the name makes sense.
The US is so far right it hurts and Australia is not even that left wing these days.
The only thing I’m proud of is that our media is practically 100% right-wing/corporate interest captured, and we STILL manage to elect left of centre governments from time to time.
Preferential voting is something very near and dear to my heart.
so you’ll campaign against them for one reason or another and help trump to a historic third term?
It’s just a way to get minorities to vote for you.
Their good old performative “Fight for Equality” which very pointedly ignores Wealth Inequality and Wealth Discrimination which curiously, are not only the biggest of them all by a huge margin, but are even the mechanisms that multiply many-fold the negative consequences (and hence the hurt) from other kinds of inequality and discrimination, AND stop the descendants of the victims of past discrimination from pulling themselves out from the hole past discrimination threw their ancestors into (in simple terms: if you were thrown into poverty by discrimination, the poverty keeps the hurt going even after the discriminatory actions have stopped and will make it very likely your descendants are stuck there and keep on suffering).
They’re literaly doing the very minimum (when measured by actual effects) they can for Equality whilst claiming they’re “Fighting for Equality” as loud as they can, in order to claim they’re “helping the disfavored” and hence are there for the many not the few.
Of course they will. Either pick them or they’ll send it all to hell. Even now they probably think this Trump stint will make voters desperate for their next candidate.
Captive audience, it’s why they felt so confident cozying up to Republicans like the Cheneys, because what are the left going to do, not vote?
It’s great really, you perpetuate a problem and constantly blame the people trying to actually bring about much needed change for the problem.
many of the DInos benefit from the same donors as the gop, im betting the megadonors at least implied threatening to cut them off if they dont support trump.
Be LOUD. Get in touch. Make it unambiguously clear that we need to pivot radically left.
This is orchestrated. The DNC knows that these Republicans dressed as democrats can’t win, because even democratic voters hate them.
Then how do they win the primary?
Because they don’t run against Republicans in a primary.
Friendly reminder that the goal behind posting memes like this is to instill a sense of cynicism and discourage political participation from people who hold progressive values. A key indicator here is the use of the nefarious-but-nebulous “they” which is commonly used in antisemitic-coded “globalist” or “cabal” conspiracy theories.
Democracy in America is unequal and unfair but the “deep state” the way conspiracy theorist portray it is simply not real.
Accusing OP of posting crypto-antisemitism for using the word “they” in the title of a post that has an extremely clear, literally labeled target (the DNC, if you look at the second panel) feels extremely disingenuous.
It also has nothing to do with discouraging political participation, but rather encouraging more active political participation in processes outside of simply voting intermittently. When both choices offered are dogshit, or no choice is presented in the first place, the point isn’t to say “all hope is lost give up” but rather “this is broken in a way that voting will not fix.”
When the DNC is actively doing things such as obfuscating the very clear decline of the sitting president in order to bypass the primary process and install Harris, or ratfucking someone like Bernie via super delegates, media control, and so on in '16, this was not done by some “nefarious-but-nebulous they”. It’s very explicitly the DNC. Harris was one of the least popular candidates in '20, one of the first to drop from the race, and her term as vice president did very little to ingratiate her to those she ostensibly represents.
Whatever it is that needs to happen in order for people to get the sort of representation and principled opposition to fascism that most of them actually want, the DNC itself is obviously highly resistant or outright incapable of providing it. Voting alone will not fix this.
(edited '16 to '20 for the Harris primary drop out, realized I’d gotten dates mixed up and double checked afterwards to confirm)
You overcooked this one dawg. Just an easy dunk on the incompetence of the DNC.
Nope. You heard him. You hate jews.
This isn’t trying to discourage people from voting, it’s trying to send a warning: “If you keep putting in terrible candidates and running on terrible policies, you are going to keep getting shitty turnouts”
Dems are 0 and 2 when squaring off a Woman against a right wing ultranationalist.
so long as there are people like Trump on the other side, I dont think the Dems will ever run a woman again.
Really, how do we get viable third parties? How do we change the voting system to not have " spoiler candidates "? The binary is rotting us.
how do we get viable third parties?
By having a third party that’s willing to put in the work and do things the right way.
So, instead of having a do-nothing candidate like Jill Stein who shows up right before every election, then disappears again after only obtaining a half of a single percent of the total votes, we’d have to have a third party that started focusing on winning local/state elections. That would allow them to start having more than ZERO members in the houses of Congress, which is currently the case. And once they have members in Congress, from various districts around the country, then they’d have a real chance at running a presidential candidate who can win.
Make no mistake. Anyone that currently votes for a 3rd party candidate for president is an utter fool. And there are A LOT of them on Lemmy. A 3rd party cannot win. They are nowhere near winning. Because they haven’t put in the work to create a coalition to actually start having a presence in our government.
Don’t neglect that Stein was a Russian plant to spoil the election. Follow the money and Stein’s activities pre and post election.
Yeah, it was pretty obvious.
But whether she was or not, a 3rd party candidate for president can only serve to split votes and increase the possibility of the worst candidate winning. And that will be the case until a 3rd party starts getting serious and getting representatives in Congress.
It’s a literal joke to vote for a 3rd party candidate when they don’t even have reps in either house of Congress. Do the people who vote 3rd party not think about what would happen if one magically won when they have no one from their party in Congress to help achieve their agenda?
We’re nowhere near to it. It has to be a grassroots effort from convincing all of our population it is necessary. Because neither the DNC or the RNC really want it. More parties means they lose power. The DNC pretends to not be opposed, but they undermine third parties all the time. We have to fix first past the post, and neither party is going to help with that.
You go out and work in the primaries.
Look at AOC. The guy she ousted was a mainstay of the NY Democratic Party for decades.
If you wait until the general election you get no input.
But that’s not the end of it as this still maintains the binary. First, what are the measures for getting third parties on the ballot? Second, how do we get rid of the fptp system so that we can actually vote for candidates we like, rather than the lesser of two evils?
Edit: I responded too quickly at work, and fixed it up later.
I’m no fan of FPTP, but let’s not put the cart before the horse.
You aren’t going to change the rules for the 2026 primaries.
Concentrate on what is doable.
1000% this. Half our problem is people bitching that their perfect candidate is not an option, and that they don’t want to vote ‘against’ someone.
The time to be active is NOW, not complaining about your choices in October 2028. Left media isn’t helping here, since they want to complain about how the election is still years away and yet we’re talking about potential candidates… YES, we are. If you’re not talking now, then you’re not in the conversation. Is it great to have a 24x365x4 political cycle? hell no. But is it what we have? yes.
Join your local democratic organization and get familiar with how things work. Help choose a ‘not fascist’ candidate for now and push for better down the line.
If you’re here, reading this, and you want things to be better, then you have two choices: vote blue no matter who (ceding your choice to others who are involved), or get involved and be part of the decision of ‘who’ is blue.
What you need is a Bernie Sanders funding his own political party, then recruit the AOC and likes. Then they constantly for 20 years present on themselves and refuse to compromise with Democrats and call them on their bullshit whatsoever.
But idk why they didn’t do it sad for you
Not by going directly for a moonshot at the presidency. You spend years getting people involved in local politics, then work your way up. State and local governments have power, even if it’s “boring”.
That or a coup or other violent, abrupt, wildcards.
Local government isn’t boring. It’s infuriating. It’s like if you gave the worst HOAs a police force.
Whatever it is, most people don’t engage with it.
I tried to and then realized that they can’t actually help with the main things I want changed, and that they’re just sad little kings of sad little hills.
You push for ranked choice voting initiatives in your state. You grow the party locally, get people into city councils, state legislatures, the house of reps before gunning for the presidency.
We have no third party candidates in the house, an institution with 435 members + some extra non voting ones. There’s a few non-affiliated, but no true third parties. If you can’t get someone in there, you shouldn’t bother wasting time and money on the presidency.
1.) Federally and statewide, you’ve got to vote for the party that isn’t making Ranked Choice or Star voting illegal, for starters.
2.) Locally, third parties have to actually run local candidates. They are a vanity party otherwise.
If you can’t manage those two things, math & chaos theory guarantees that you’ll never have a 3rd party.
I want Approval Votingand Sequential Proportional Approval Voting, but will support any electoral reform referendum or bill.
And when those get enough name recognition with the electorate, the GOP will start passing bills to make them illegal in red states.
How? Probably not via voting in 2028 or holding a sign. As in, not within the pre-existing failing/failed system. This one isn’t gonna recover.
After the people are in charge of the smouldering ashes, you can start from scratch! The one upside. Assuming USA doesn’t just submit passively and end up like Russia with a broken people for centuries, which is what I’m expecting.
Copy Canadians. Including the limits on campaign length, so your news cycle isn’t so endlessly exhausting. No wonder 1/3rd have totally tuned out. IMO scrap FPTP like we didn’t have the balls to do.
I guess that’s the crux of the question: does it really require smoldering ashes to get this done? Entrenched power is obviously tough times, but within the system we currently have what are the possibilities?
Not sure anyone really knows yet. I’m a pessimist by nature, so there’s blind spots and I freely admit them.
Have you considered just having like a local group organized around something like pro-labor or just the community in general.
Elect officers or organize how you think best. Call meeting invite guess to speak to issues you all like. When elections come around try to solicit questions to all the campaigns. Have the organization vote as a group on who to endorse or not at all.
If it’s worth the effort, work the campaigns for the folks you all endorse.
More people did that stuff then starting a third party in state would be easy. From there you go forward. If you do well or brand then you may have others in their region wanting to do the same. National two parties are federations of these groups with more binding Charters.
Many States have these hurdles for recognized political parties but they can’t stop folks from just organizing how they want.
I’m a progressive, but also a pragmatist and a realist, and I find these kind of complaints unhelpful and naive. Politics is a blood sport and it always has been. No one is going to hand AOC the reins of power. She has to win them, and her opponents aren’t going to play fair. This is, sadly, how the game is played. Don’t mourn. Organize!
Its never about what the majority wants. Its what minority wants. They are fat satisfied one percenters and the only thing they hate worse than a maga is letting the little people have a choice.
