Private property? Freedom of speech? Freedom to breed? Freedom of thought?..
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Private property isn’t a sacrifice. I don’t own any.
There’s a difference between personal property and private property. Private property is a mall, is a factory, is machinery at your workplace. Personal property is your toothbrush, your Playstation, your Television, your blender, your set of German knives, your computer, your books, etc.
Freedom of speech has never existed. The illusion of it has been allowed to be stronger or weaker in various places at various times, if your speech is no threat it’s often allowed, it’s when it’s a threat that suddenly the freedom vanishes and hides behind excuses like national security or illegal ideologies, etc.
I question how you would get rid of freedom of thought without some sort of hellish brain implants being made mandatory so it’s an odd thing to mention.
I’d be willing to sacrifice an awful lot of fascists, reactionaries, and an awful lot of enabling liberals. I’d be willing to sacrifice bourgeoisie. The expropriation of their private property is not a sacrifice but a necessity for things being held in common trust for the people.
Out of the ones you listed, freedom to breed
Provided they don’t touch freedom to not breed, and we don’t put racist ducks in charge, I think that works be the easiest for me to bear.
But I don’t want kids, so it’s not much of a sacrifice.
For me that would depend on whether it’s just my personal freedom to do so or all of humanity’s. I didn’t come to the hypothetical thought experiment question thread to not kill 8 billion fucking people.
Conservatives.
It won’t be a better world if there’s no private property or freedom of speech or freedom to breed or freedom of thought.
The instant these freedoms are forfeited, the world becomes worse.
Every last person working to make it a worse world.
the ability to lie and “falsely claim”.
imagine everybody is stricken with that boy’s wish from “liar liar”
sure there would be a bunch of hurt feelings, but maybe the better world can compensate?
Some billionaires
A better world wouldn’t require sacrificing freedoms.
I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but a lot of the trouble in the US was caused by people using their freedom to do terrible things to people, and to set the stage for more of the same.
America is not nearly as free as it claims to be.
No, it isn’t.
What does that have to do with my claim?
We’re talking about a better world and giving up freedoms. Americans have given up a bunch of freedoms and have gotten a worse world because of it.
The one does not flow directly from the other. A better world requires some protecting from each other, which means giving up some freedoms. A system of complete and total freedom would not be good for most people.
However, as Franken said, it is important not to give up essential freedoms. What freedoms, exactly, count as “essential” ones? Hard to say. We should have a thread to discuss it.
Yes, the freedom to murder people would not be good for most people, but you are taking away others’ freedoms when you do that. But, this thread is about private property, speech, starting a family, and thought. Maybe I should have been more specific in my original comment. A better world wouldn’t require sacrificing these freedoms. It would require giving up the freedom to take others’ freedoms away.
Any freedom that means you have control over your own body and thoughts, I would consider an “essential” freedom, and those are the ones that I mean when I say a better world wouldn’t require giving up those freedoms. If you’re giving up your right to control your own body, you’re inviting a worse world.
On this, I think we can agree.
Convenience.
Sadly it is something far fewer people are willing to give up than any of the above.It really depends on the kind of convenience.
Some conveniences are easier to give up, especially if giving them up will benefit others.
Example: if we are willing to walk around with smartphones that are 5mm thicker and 50g heavier, and a bit less slick in design, we can fix them instead of buying new ones. This kind of things. And we are not even willing to give that up.
This guy speaks about this (I’m not sure if this is the right video)
Who is “we”? You got a mouse in your pocket or something? I absolutely would make that sacrifice. I hate smartphones. I didn’t own one until 2020 and only ended up with it because some scumbag salesman tricked my aging mom into buying it and adding a new number on her account under contract. So she gave it to me. I wish smartphones would go away. They are as “smart” as AI is “intelligent”. I’ve gone without a car most of my life, i’ve never had netflix/instagram/amazon/twitter/etc accounts, I didn’t have internet for the first 15 years as an adult and I am ready to give these things I have now that I don’t want, which are somehow mandatory to participate in life these days. The prospect of getting rid of it all and trying my hand at hermit life or as a hobo grow stronger every day.
I don’t know if the general population cares about phone thickness that much, but in my case I actually would hate a too thin phone.
I’d sacrifice social media algorithms. Delete them all.
No, not “algorithms” are the problem, but the capitalist who own social media and the algorithms on these.
A sacrifice is something you like and want to keep, but you’re going to give it up for a higher good.
Yeah, a lot of these are just things that the commenter obviously wants to get rid of. It would be more of a “2 birds, one stone” than an actual sacrifice.
Also ban advertisements
Vanity projects.
The landlords.
There are a lot of them so it would be exhausting work to behead them all myself but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make
I don’t particularly want to be remembered for anything in my life. I don’t need fame or standing. I dedicate my life to trying to improve people’s lives as a teacher. I’d give my life if it meant everyone would live a significantly better life forever.
Billionaires, to the god Quetzalcoatl.
I’m the guy dancing in this image
Hey can you tell me what’s the source of this please? Seems interesting
Apocalypto
2006 film
I’m going to guess it’s from the movie Apocalypto, but I might be wrong.
Jaguar Paw
I think we could sacrifice billionaires to Peppa Pig and it’d still get the job done.
even if one is your president?
Ehm… I’m not from USA… But since you ask, yes! He would be the first one!
We dont need to give up anything we just need change. Regulations are what keeps capitalism from killing us all and this planet. We have allowed deregulation to put us in this spot and its going to get worst.
