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This type of abuse is old as the hills. The rights enumerated in the constitution only apply to citizens. Look at how wiretapping is done among the “Five Eyes”. The USA just has allies do the snooping on its own citizens, conveniently dancing around the same constitutional protections. It’s unclear if even under the most charitable reading of the constitution if this should apply to an unlawful foreign resident of another country.
Cruel and unfair, definitely. Much like the electoral college, everyone likes to complain about it while not doing too much. If you find the above distasteful, then it should be made clear in US case law that aliens are eligible for constitutional protections. Until then, Trump and co. will gladly keep doing what they are doing, because they don’t care about “being fair”.
Bold assumption it won’t be citizens houses. Unachievable by a competent administrative.
Uuuuhhh t’s going to be citizens, how is this not obvious?
I don’t understand it, it’s like everybody sees what’s right in front of them, knows history and what the Nazis did and how they rose to power, how they maintained it, their goals
And then we see that they are also supporting Nazis and they published their plan online, and people are still doubting how far this will go?
We literally have concentration camps in America, tax-funded. And we sent people there to die without due process
This is just one more step of power that they have, they’re going to be able to come after citizens and do that too. They’re coming after Free press right now, and they’re arresting judges.
Nobody is immune. You can be the perfect white citizen and if they disapprove of you, I don’t think there’s much stopping them.
Course they don’t even have to do any of those things, they can just tweet about you or mention you and destroy your entire reputation and career and livelihood by making up lies
So now thieves can just write ICE on a vest and they can rob you
So if they break into my home, I can shoot ‘em, right?
edit- have to delete this comment because I posted it under an organization’s lemmy account by accident instead of my personal account. sorry bout that. I do not speak for the organization and any opinions I shared on this topic are my own and not theirs. (i just help post information about events for them).
If you’re worried about an attacker at your door, get a shotgun. Rifles are for when you can aim at a target at distance, pistols for when you can aim at close range. If you can’t confidently aim at your target, a shotgun is very effective, even with only a partial hit. (And, if you miss, the shot is unlikely to significantly harm an innocent bystander.)
Also, most states don’t require registration. My state is a little weird in that they are avoiding registering firearms, so they make you register transactions.
I would recommend the VR80 12-gauge shotgun. It is semi-automatic with magazines, which is pretty important if you are dealing with more than one trafficker. Plus, it is built on the AR-15 platform, which might be handy if warfare breaks out. If things get hot in that fashion, having mods could make it easier to engage at range.
Get a 12 gauge… The chachink of shotgun is a sound that sends chills up people’s spines
Should be noted that some states actively forbid gun registration.
You’re certainly free to have your own opinions but most of your assumptions shouldn’t be trusted by anyone else reading this.
It is possible to purchase and own firearms without a permit - typically just limited in form-factor and features (i.e. shotgun, no handguns or semi-auto rifles). And even when a (purchase) permit is required, that doesn’t necessitate there being a registry and frequently one is explicitly disallowed. It’s also possible to buy/trade firearms with private citizens (or 3d print/mill your own if especially crafty) which wouldn’t provide a record to anybody but the included parties. When you aren’t legally required to disclose you have a firearm it’s always better not to make that known. Besides the potential worries about a fascist government coming for them, there’s the concern that a list of firearm owners going public is a prime target for theft and break-ins.
Rifles aren’t necessarily “slower to load,” are you speaking specifically of bolt-action rifles with this? It’s about the same amount of time and steps to load a magazine into an AR15 rifle as it is a semi-auto pistol. Unfortunately that also makes them effective in an unlawful mass shooting situation.
If you feel a firearm is the proper solution to the situation you NEVER aim to wound or fire warning shots. It’s (presumably) always a life or death situation so you’re hoping for the most effective “fight stopping wounds” which is basically center mass of whatever you can see. Same thing with rock salt in a shotgun, it’s going to legally be seen the same as if you were firing shot/slugs so you shouldn’t treat it like something you can use just to scare something off. In close range, shotguns will have practically no spread unless you’re using an extremely cut-down barrel (typically cut to an illegal degree) - you still need to (and should be) direct aiming it and not wildly firing from the hip.
Rifles aren’t necessarily “slower to load,” are you speaking specifically of bolt-action rifles with this? It’s about the same amount of time and steps to load a magazine into an AR15 rifle as it is a semi-auto pistol. Unfortunately that also makes them effective in an unlawful mass shooting situation.
yeah but the rifle holds only a few rounds. so the time it takes per bullet is significantly longer for a rifle.
I’m guessing this comment will get edited out too for being under the wrong account but I’ll share my reply anyway:
Unless you specify what you mean by “rifle” that designation does include things like an AR15 with a 50+ round drum magazine that will load and fire bullets as fast as you can pull the trigger. If you are talking about something like a breech loading single shot rifle or a Carcano that is certainly true, but specificity is actually important when talking about firearms and related laws and it’s not just pedantry for the sake of nitpicking. It’s why gun people get anal about when people interchangeably use “assault rifle” and “assault weapon”, or claiming a firearm is “fully semi-automatic” - it’s important to use precise language because there’s vast differences in the various terms and concepts. Yes, generally it’s possible to discern from context that someone using the word “clip” to refer to a magazine-fed weapon isn’t using it literally, but if you want to try to speak authoritatively on the subject you should know what the difference is.
Which states just let you buy a gun with no background check or registration?
How are people convicted of owning unregistered firearms if registration isn’t required?
Isn’t there always a waiting period and a background check?
Felons aren’t allowed to buy or own guns.
PA and many other states in a private sale.
No permits needed in NYS for any rifle not semi auto (which was recent, as you could get semi auto rifles with no permit).
Which states just let you buy a gun with no background check or registration?
I’m not going to check current status of every state’s laws, but I did already address it’s possible to buy guns from places other than a licensed firearm dealer and required registration is less common than not. In private sales you’re at a minimum legally required to not intentionally sell to prohibited people but clearly that isn’t always obeyed - it’s possible some states require you to then register that transaction in some way but that’s not the default expectation/requirement everywhere.
How are people convicted of owning unregistered firearms if registration isn’t required?
People can be convicted if they are in a location or have prohibited items that DO require registration and they aren’t. Suppressors or short-barreled rifles/shotguns and full-auto firearms being common examples.
Isn’t there always a waiting period and a background check?
In my state, with a permit to purchase (good for 1 year, no qty limits) or a permit to carry (5 years, no qty limits) there is no waiting period. If buying from a licensed FFL there is still a NICS check with each purchase though.
Felons aren’t allowed to buy or own guns.
Correct. Felons also aren’t known for obeying the law so just being prohibited doesn’t ensure they can’t obtain a firearm.
Most states don’t require a permit, and most states didnt have laws about private sales for years so basically a bunch of guns can be traded that have no paperwork, the government doesn’t know who has guns anymore
You are absolutely wrong that gun permits are necessary in all states. In Florida, the state Constitution actually prohibits gun permits/ registration. In fact, DeSatan recently lowered the age of gun ownership to 18, and removed the requirement for a 4 hour class in order to get a carry permit. So an 18 year old can just buy a gun, stick it in their waistband, and walk out of the store, totally legally.
The result of these laws, or lack of them, is that we just had a college campus shooting by an 18 year old. He was able to legally walk around with a gun without breaking the law, until he set foot on campus, where it is still prohibited. OTOH, the state legislature tries every year to pass a law that permits guns on college campuses, and new congressman Randy Fine just sponsored a bill to do that in February. Considering we just had a lethal campus shooting at FSU, its doubtful it will pass this year either.
The entire purpose of the USA’s second amendment is to protect the people from the government. There’s not supposed to be a standing army operating on local soil. Police, soldiers and ICE, ATF, DEA etc are the actual enemies at war with the population.
People keep saying this but it’s not really true. Right wingers say it when convenient (not now, gee wonder why they’re suddenly not making the argument). The second amendment was meant to allow citizens to form militias on behalf of the government, at a time that the country did not have a military.
That’s my plan. Just upgraded my front door gun to something with a higher fire rate.
Is it aimed at your front door, or is the actual door a gun somehow?
In America, we make most things out of Gun™ for convenience.
Yeah, and thanks to our advancements in Gun™, my new giant truck gets a much better “zero to 60 Minutes” time than the old one.
Ethically, yes. Legally, they’ll just kill you.
Good, I don’t want to live in a fascist hellscape anyway.
Think of it a getting out early to avoid the rush.
Legally? You can kill them as well.
You just have to claim that you thought it was self-defense against what appeared to be a black man jogging around your house.
I mean, if the alternative is getting shipped to a torture prison in El Salvador with no due process? Not saying it’s a good alternative, but it is an alternative.
One of these options gives a person -and possibly their families- a chance to get away. The other option sends them to Salvadorian prison.
I’m not American but I know which option I would take.
Hmm. Stand your ground against fascism.
It sounds like we should prepare for a rash of home invasion shootings. (I’m not promoting anything, just saying)
the people who follow his unlawful unconstitutional orders need to be held accountable for their actions when the next adminstration HAS to clean up this administrations messes.
I mean they already are. They’ve been doing this since March.
The only reason we know is because one of the many employees within ICE who have been leaking information to the press in the hopes we would pressure congress to do their jobs, also leaked this.
If you know anyone in the conservative camp that’s still blissfully unaware/not pissed yet, loop them in. Their voices are the most important when it comes to giving Congress one last try while they’re still collecting paychecks paid for by our tax dollars.
If it comes down to us fighting we will have to join together anyway if we stand any chance. The next civil war will not be left vs right, it will be Americans refusing to follow orders vs. corporate billionaires controlling both public and private military (Blackwater, Palantir, etc.).
Hey ICE, if the President tells you to do something illegal, you don’t do it! You can still be held liable.
Is it really that hard to have ethics anymore?
ICE doesn’t care. They’re obviously enjoying being able to do what theyve been doing the past few months.
There are federal agents that have been reshuffled to ICE as punishment for the Jan 6 investigations, and have been accused of leaking information to the press.
I originally just thought the termination of civil rights offices would mainly be to use polygraphs on these employees and refuse due process rights because so many were trying to warn people of what this administration is doing.
I wasn’t expecting something like this memo so soon.
There are definitely plenty of loyalists carrying this shit out, but I believe the administration may be intentionally trying to reshuffle as many federal employees as possible (and now city police to ICE) to increase civil unrest and increase the chances the public will turn on the same people leaking information.
If Congress won’t do their job, it will come down to these people willing to refuse orders and face termination if not arrest. The only reason I bring this up, is that if this happens we should keep in mind that there have been people inside ICE trying to warn the country about this stuff for a long time.
If we are too quick to dismiss all of them as loyalists, the administration will be able to downplay any dissent when orders are refused, and possibly convince others who are on the fence that it’s in their best interest to comply bc the public is not on their side.
The things is based on their legal interpretation of the constitution, the people chose the president to uphold law and order and do what’s best for the people. If the president determines this is what is necessary in order to protect the people from terrorists, his legal team will argue for a constitutional interpretation that says individual liberty is always secondary to the common good.
Just to be clear, this is not what I believe or support. This is what they will argue. I am writing this to try and warn people what they have in mind when they talk about constitutional interpretation
Right, and history shows that these are major mistakes that always have consequences.
I hope so. If the Senate and representatives won’t take a stand (which seems they won’t), it will be up to police, federal agents, and military leaders taking a stand and refusing orders, probably being terminated if not jailed/court martialed, and public support for them.
the supreme court gets to decide this. And considering some of the recent rulings about due process, I am hopeful.
I am hopeful if it does, but the memo is saying they can just do this. So it will take this actually being enforced and someone’s (or multiple people’s) rights being violated for this to end up before the supreme court.
I think it’s no coincidence there was such a high profile arrest of that judge in Wisconsin just before this happened.
But how are they going to enforce it? They’ve enforced 0 rulings so far. Trump has been publicly mocking them while defying their orders
The gestapo are here
Only good ICE is WATER ICE - which is still subjective, and oddly all CAPS.
Let’s see how long it takes for an ICE goon to get the FAFO treatment.
If history is to judge, it takes about 10-15 years for fascism to die. There is usually a lot of bloodshed in the process.
Are you allowed to booby trap your house so you can sleep safely at night?
On the off-chance this isn’t a joke, no, booby traps are largely illegal because they are indiscriminate and a danger to everyone in the premises, including the person setting the traps.
Yeah imagine you have a medical emergency or a fire or something and EMTs/firefighters come in and get caught in your boobytrap. Very not cool thing to do, those people are trying to save your life.
edit: if your concern is actually people coming in while you sleep you can get very effective barricades/reinforcements for doors and windows that can buy a lot of prep time.
So Trump is telling ICE to break the law? It looks like Trump is guilty of another crime.
Who’s gonna fuckin stop em??
They just arrested a judge. The only people who’ve been able to slow this roll.
What do you think happens next…?
The entire Armed Forces and Judicial Branch of the Executive is cronies from the Cabinet and AG down. If they feel like it they’ll mobilize militias to do their work for them.
Citizen cops. Watch out. You may not hate cops now, but you’ll understand what’s been wrong with the whole system real soon. “Good cops” will be placeholders for men favorable to the regime. They will be corrupted.
Bribes will become commonplace in day-to-day business. This will often feel counterproductive. That’s because it is.
Odds are this will play out quietly. Unless the Military does a surprise one, the Democrats aren’t putting forward anything capable of challenging the regime. Sorry AOC and Bernie, I love you but Coachella ain’t gonna cut it.
Build federated networks in your own life. The model applies. Organize horizontally not vertically/hierarchically. Find people making choices and doing things and help them.
Added predictions: the US invades Panama (again). Ukraine drags out. Recession settles in, staved off by markets hungry for short-term gains looted from Latin America, Ukraine, probably both. Probably around September a major bubble pops in the US stock market no matter what the tariff situation ends up being. Things get worse. Edit: Panama invasion may come as a result of this
Susan Collins just called: said he learned his lesson and it won’t happen again.
Fuck that bitch. Was the most laughably idiotic comment she could’ve made.
So far breaking the law hasn’t bit him yet. Why should he start following it now?
He has a power to pardon them all
It’s only a crime if you are pursued for it. Until that happens, which it won’t, the law doesn’t matter.
Aren’t police and laws great? They do a wonderful job.
It’s not a crime if there’s nobody left to uphold the law.
Yeah, there’s already a video of them doing this.
ICE is a criminal organization.
A Terrorist organization.
All cops are bastards and most are working with them
There are some within ice who were reshuffled as punishment for Jan 6 investigations when Trump took over. They have been leaking information about what was going on to the press, and facing threats from the administration
I’m guessing we wouldn’t even know about this memo if not for people like this. I bring this up bc it’s important to keep in mind that if Congress will not act (which it seems like they won’t) we will be relying on the agents who are not loyalists, refusing to carry out orders.
If public opinion does not support agents who take a stand and refuse orders (not the loyalists, fuck them without a doubt) and have been leaking information like this memo, Trump will have ammunition that he can use to kill dissent and show other ice employees it’s in their best interest to carry out orders because the public is not on their side.
This is likely why he’s trying to reshuffle as many agents and even city police to get involved in immigration policy.
I voted for the current sheriff of my parish. First time I was ever passionate about voting for a sheriff because she was also a former police corruption monitor. She is now being taken to court by our state AG this Wednesday to force her to adopt federal immigration policy in her own jurisdiction.
If the judge agrees with the AG, which sadly, she probably will, the sheriff and local police will also be under legal orders to carry this shit out or face termination/possible jail time for interfering with immigration policy.
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