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He’s f*** detached
I mean, AR is pretty awesome to be fair.
Never from big stock market corpos. Fuck their “vision”.
You can?
S**t!
Shirt
Not on Reddit. You might hurt someone’s feeling and be accused of threatening violence.
But we are on Lemmy where you can threaten to confiscate people’s organs and only get your comment removed sometimes.
Now which do you like more your kidneys or your skin?
Fork
It’s the smartwatch bullshit all over again.
1 in 10 have one
9 in 10 don’t care and never did
Wdym lol smartwatches are everywhere now.
1 in 10 is still a lot of people. That’s like every redhead you know territory.
Google already made AR glasses and they failed. Not because the product was bad, but because AR is stupid and has such a niche case that it’s practically worthless.
This is just another attempt to capture even more control over our attention - advertising everywhere. Of course Apple wants it
But think of the constant, total surveillance opportunity for Apple, and how this could help them win favor and contracts from the fascist US government!
Apple doesn’t do that though. That’s Google, Amazon, and Meta’s MO.
You’re right. Tim Cook only gave Trump $1m for fun, right?
You’re being intentionally obtuse to make a political point. I don’t agree with corporations making large political donations, but stick to the actual topic. Name one military contract that Apple holds that involves tracking users. If Apple was about that, it wouldn’t need to wait for smart glasses to arrive, it already could try. But, it doesn’t. Why?
Lmao you make this too easy while trying to play fanboy way too hard
I’m not playing fanboy, I’m just not jumping to conclusions and making shit up to serve my political views. Your article is still just speculation. And, rather than being about mass surveillance, it’s about flying aircraft with VR headsets.
What do you think the airforce is tracking from up there dumdumb, stars?
Good, I wanna see Apple flop just like Meta’s VR nonsense did.
How is Quest a flop? Or are you talking about something else?
Bot quest and ray band products are huge success dominating their respective markets.
I really wish people were more serious about these markets so it can be done well from the get got rather than starting to be fixed and regulated 2 decades later.
Having borrowed a quest 3 last week I’ve almost pulled trigger on buying one.
The only thing holding me back is… it’s Meta.
There’s a big piracy scene on Quest so if you really put in the effort you’re not giving these evil assholes much but generally I agree. There’s so much entertainment and things to do that I can really wait a bit longer as VR is not going away.
I believe its still the rookie group doing it, its automated well too and I even got it to work on linux.
Rookie group?
Thats the name of the group/software used to download and install apks to a quest headset.
https://wiki.vrpirates.club/en/general_information/getting-started
If you get one, buy Walkabout Mini Golf. I’ve spent so long playing that and hanging out in its worlds.
Why do you people hate VR?
Bcz it sucks.
So isn’t it a good thing these companies are trying to make it not suck?
The problem is they’re making it suck more, by piling their usual proprietary shitware on top of it.
I think it’s less that people hate VR and moreso that tech companies obsession with it as a next step in tech and not as a piece of specialized hardware.
Being able to keep a screen in front of the user at all times is the goal. This is one step closer to replacing the eyes Cyberpunk style.
This is why Siri and Apple Intelligence is so important to Apple, getting away an actual keyboard will make this more addicting. They can decide what to show you before you even start thinking about it!
Corporations would love being able to not only know where you are at all times, but now they have the tech to see exactly what you see!
There’s a gag in Futurama about ads being displayed in your dreams. If that were possible they’d be doing that, but right now they’re settling for just the waking hours.
How far apart were those two episodes? Like, production date? Futurama is a long-running show with a big gap in the middle, they did topical episodes about Napster and the iPhone.
it’s not that complicated, the goal is to create another hit product that everyone wants like the ipod and iphone.
They already did this with Google glass and failed spectacularly. There is no market for this. Nobody is wishing they had computer glasses. It is something being forced onto consumers for the benefit of apple and it will not work.
You’d think with the massive failure of their apple vision they’d have learned this lesson already.
I’m not even a huge proponent of AR glasses, but i think that’s a pretty shortsighted view. AR/VR tech was still in its infancy when google decided to drop it (as they do with many beloved products btw), and Apple has a history of repackaging/refining products in a way that allows them to catch on. Apple Vision is by all accounts a cool product, just still way too expensive for mainstream use. The tech is still maturing. I’m not saying Apple will for sure succeed, but it’s just silly to outright claim “there is no market for this”.
also “forced onto consumers”? no one is being forced to buy anything, what a ridiculous take.
You are complaining about me pointing out that there is zero DEMAND for this product. Nobody is asking for “Augmented reality” or whatever. It is not innovative or moving technology forward it’s literally an excuse to harvest a million more data points per minute for no benefit to the end user.
You seriously can’t comprehend how these companies use, manipulate, and coerce you to create a false demand for this slop? There is plenty of great literature on the subject, and if you’d like I can direct you to people with expertise to explain the concepts. Just stop mindlessly accepting and defending this behavior and stand up for yourself as a consumer.
firstly, just because you say so doesn’t mean there is ZERO market for it.
secondly, of course there isn’t significant demand for it yet it’s a completely new technology and the use case is still being explored. people can’t demand what doesn’t exist.
Thirdly, show me exactly where companies are “coercing” us to create demand for AR. of course i realize there are extreme marketing campaigns that try unecessarily hard to push products like AI, but that is obviously not happening with AR.
Just stop mindlessly accepting and defending this behavior and stand up for yourself as a consumer.
finally, if you seriously can’t comprehend any way at all that AR could be helpful then you are just as mindless as you are accusing me of being. stop being an arrogant asshole and consider that people can disagree with you without being “mindless”.
show me exactly where companies are coercing us
Im not entertaining this conversation anymore
you never did entertain a conversation, you’re just insulting anyone who disagrees with you. when you are actually challenged on your bullshit you bail.
I think Lemmy is a bit of a chamber of white, technology-oriented men. People here think that most people are OK with wearing technology on their face.
Ironically, we’re also very Privacy-oriented, but everyone’s kind of forgetting all the cameras and microphones required to make all this AR tech work.
Someone put it nicely - if I see you with your Google Glass in a public toilet, you’re leaving with a bloody nose.
how does race or gender have anything to do with this?
what makes you think most people wouldn’t be ok with wearing tech on their face?
maybe you are the one forgetting that cameras and microphones are already in all the products that most people already have. how is AR any different?
Lack of diversity = lack of diversity of opinion. We are in a tech echo chamber, like it or not.
And your following two questions are a great illustration of just that.
That’s ok, I’ll just disagree with their Terms of Service!
If only Siri could understand what I say
I have turned off any assistant app in any of my devices. It would be easier and a lot of times faster just typing out what I need.
And I care zero about ever purchasing those things.
…to play breakout.
Arcanooooid!!!
I’d be interested to hear from the youngest generation (15-20 YO) to hear if they care about this at all.
I’m approaching 50 years old and had been an early adopter most of my adult life. Growing up from the 1980s through 2000s, there was a near-mainstream narrative that we were living in a unique era of emerging technologies. It was exciting and we were anxious for anything new.
It seems to me that nothing is really new and there is nothing exciting, if not interesting, about technology today.
I’ve actually been stripping down the technology from my life as it’s become too distracting to get things done and has prevented personal growth and the formation of memories. For one example, I recently subscribed to a print magazine because I prefer a tangible object that I can associate with in and of itself (and choose to own and collect).
Looking at analog trends like vinyl records and film photography and cassette tapes, it seems like people are at least trying to incorporate tangible objects into a modern lifestyle. Then you have the trend of the dumb phones which indicate people are becoming more aware of the detriments caused by an always connected lifestyle. Thankfully, some car manufacturers are returning buttons to their cars in response to owner feedback about everything being a touch screen.
I mean, I’m not a multi-trillion dollar organization with different departments studying the feasibility of future products but I do wonder if something like AR glasses are already more of our past than our future.
I think there’s a more than reasonable desire for a device to help you through your day - especially in foreign countries. But do you think you want that to be glasses or something else?
Lastly, this reminds me of the prediction from Michio Kaku in Physics of the Future about augmented reality contact lenses. Should we at least accept AR glasses as first step towards contact lenses? Do you think society would accept these 20-40 years in the future?
i am somewhere around it, and i think the best part about AR glasses is we don’t have to buy monitors,
when i used to be 15 couple of years ago i also fantacized about the asthetics of 80’s after watching many 80’s animation films, there was just something about them ,although i wasn’t alive during that period.
i am personally more excited about fdvr, i hope we have it in 25 years, but i don’t think we will
I’m in that age range and while I enjoy VR (VRchat is one of my most played games), I think at a certain point AR is “going too far”. The current AR technology in the quest 3 is nice, good enough I don’t need more. Being able to watch vids on a big screen anywhere in my house is enough.
Apple and meta though I think they want an all encompassing device that you wear all the time that replaces the phone, and thats a step too far. People already spend enough time on there phones when uts a single tiny screen, I don’t think it would be good for attention spans to be able to spawn in infinite floating windows at any time.
You can kinda already have 6 floating windows on the quest 3 which is too much stimulation for a single person and I don’t think its good for society to have this. I think if it can get a form factor similar to glasses (which I doubt is possible), people will buy it and get addicted.
Current day vr is like the polar opposite of the future AR that they want anyways. VR games force you to only focus on the current thing, because you are in the game, can’t alt tab or look at your phone while in loading screens or watch youtube while gaming. This kinda forces you to do it in moderation.
It seems to me that nothing is really new and there is nothing exciting, if not interesting, about technology today.
There is the massive infiltration of personal privacy to surveil everyone for whatever reason that is currently deemed acceptable, so there is that - smh
Yeah welcome to the club 😅, it feels we maxxed out the usage of computers, so what now?
Real life comeback maybe?
I think the fundamental problem with the AR glasses is something that can’t be overcome.
I think its easy to see the utility to owning a pair of glasses that look good and provide real time information as desired for what you are looking at or hearing.
HOWEVER, I think very few people will want the product these co.panies will make. This will be a method to throw ads literally in front of your eyeballs. Enshitification is too big of a thing now and so any new product is tainted by the expectation it will rapidly turn to garbage at a high price to you.
Also, while we may think we can be trusted, we dont trust anyone else having all that info, I dont like the obvious privacy implications that these can present. Filming with them is also terrifying.
So, just to be clear, that ‘something that can’t be overcome’ is… checks notes capitalism?
It does ruin most things doesn’t it? 😮💨
Yeah my best guess is that at most these will at best lead to homebrew and specialist uses. For example I have to wear glasses my astigmatism is rather severe so contacts don’t work, so if I could attach a small projector to my glasses and put my phones display onto it I would have so many uses.
You might be giving people too much credit here because the same things could be said about a lot of products and services that have come out over the last 10 years
😆 And here I was think I wasn’t giving anyone any credit. I just proclaimed none of us could be trusted!
tim (is) cook(ed)
nobody on this planet is more qualified to navigate the oncoming global operational tsunami. doesn’t mean he’s an engineering visionary, or knows how to build the machines that build the machines.
Guess what Tim Apple? No one wants them just like no one wanted your stupid headset that I honestly can’t even remember what it was called.
Well I do want this, augmented/virtual reality is exactly the kind of shit I dreamt about as a kid during the 90’s, and having a huge screen available anywhere I go is pretty fucking cool.
But yeah, I used a VR headset exactly once for like 5 minutes, and there’s no way in hell I’d buy one from meta or apple. If Valve releases good XR/AR glasses I might consider it.
I love VR and have multiple devices but the platforms are still really bad. There’s so much jank amplified by all of the greed by Apple and Meta. For example on Apple’s VR device you can’t have multiple users - they were so greedy that they thought they’d sell multiple devices per household.
Can’t wait for Valves Deckard or whatever next VR project they’re working on. Steamdeck is everything a handheld should be and if they can finally nail that in VR it would be awesome.
It sounds cool in theory, but modern tech companies aren’t going to make what you wanted as a kid. Whatever they make will be heavily enshittified.
Hold on a second. For it to be enshittified, it has to be good at the beginning, and I highly doubt that’s possible.
Honestly in five minutes you didn’t do basically anything in VR
I know, I meant that although I’m interested in the tech I’ve barely tried it.
why? AR has always been superior to VR in terms of technology. i had hopes googles and later microsofts demo a few years back would take off but the tech just couldn’t find a niche market to hold onto and its just taken a backseat because it isn’t as gimmicky and easy to market to a ready-to-burn-money demography as VR (gaming). AR has actual real-life every-day application. as long as Apple does it well, competitors will follow, and as they do, we’ll actually be able to use it one day.
But you’re going to get a lot of people who don’t want to be around Glassholes as all AR includes a camera.
I think they called it “iSee”.
Next courageous Apple creation:
What is this
It’s a still frame from Star Trek The Next Generation, episode The Game
The plot is a wearable device that is an AR “glasses” game that as you play the game it “makes you feel good” gets used to take over the Enterprise so terrorists can hijack it.
At the time I imagine it was intended to be part of anti-drug campaigns with the AR and companies curating what you see to distract from reality angle/sentiment being more relevant today
Such a prescient episode.
There are a lot of things at Apple that I, as the paying customer, would rather Cook care more about than AR/VR boondoggles.
Honestly, this is probably the next game changing tech. There are lot of uses for AR. Size, style, and battery life are probably the biggest issues to overcome.
With the exception for extremely niche stuff like surgery (and they won’t use off the shelf AR anyways) what’s your usecases to bring AR to the masses?
Boring everyday stuff like reading notifications without pulling out your phone, watching videos on public transit, watching a tutorial while working on a project, reading a recipe while cooking, navigation, watching whatever people watch when they get high, text magnification for folks who need it…
without pulling out your phone, [doing phone stuff x10]
Ding ding ding.
Everyone is so focused on AR glasses having some killer use case that must justify it’s existence. The use case is simply not pulling a phone out of your pocket; not waiting for face ID, tapping your way to the necessary app, and so on.
Removing these micro inconveniences has always been Apple’s forte (even if a little stagnant in recent years), so it’s no surprise that they will continue to pursue the same.
Yes, I swear that’s the biggest benefit of the Apple Watch. For the things it does, it’s so much more convenient than dragging a big old phone out of your pocket. From reading texts and notifications, to payments, to exercise and health data, to 2fa,to using a voice assistant, even checking time and weather.
Then again that’s a high bar of convenience for ever lower marginal improvements for the goggles to try to build
And the thing I do on VR 99% of the time (gaming) wasn’t even mentioned. Interesting
Thinking of that article about Deepfake porn the other day probably real-time nude body overlays for everyone you meet. Can’t think of a serious application that is actually useful enough for people to want this.
You don’t think that’s a good enough reason?
I really want it just for my crippling propsagnosia. Having something be able to tell me that A. I know this person, and B. What their name is could really give me a leg up with trying to integrate into society.
Your problem is certainly one that would be enough for niche success of the technology but not the kind of killer application that would make the majority want this.
How about gps directions to navigate an unfamiliar location?
Or for travelling: there already is a phone app to translate signs but it would be so much more to have that live
Or for travelling: there already is a phone app to translate signs but it would be so much more to have that live
Most countries use street signs that do not require translations, that is more of a US thing.
US street signs are standardized so you can see at a glance without reading. I understand the EU does similar but with a different standard.
But street signs are not the only signs. There are place names and ads and directions and telling you where to line up for what and how much the subway costs and how to get from one part of Paris to another and directions for the theater, etc, and most of those are localized
Yeah, and I’m fine with that. I don’t need to see Tim Apple more rich
