We will end up with a general population that knows their immigration/civil liberties laws and rights, and how to exercise them.
It’s going to be real interesting.
Only way. Fight back hard…
The only disappointing part of the article is that the 2 brown shirts continued to live.
Spoiler: They do need a warrant.
Also “you are tresspassed” is a magical phrase that turns ICE agents into criminals and armed ICE agents into armed criminals that you can pull a weapon on.
Spoiler: They do need a warrant.
Oh yes, they do. Absolutely. They may do whatever they were gonna do, regardless, but standing up for your own rights and the rights of others helps to guarantee them all the way out.
And, sometimes, all it takes is someone willing to stand up and cry the actions of the state
Funnily enough the “second amendment” crowd has been completely silent about all this shit. But people really have to use those stand your ground laws.
I’m not a big 2A guy, but I’m more than well armed and practiced, and I haven’t shut up about shooting anyone attempting these kidnappings.
I’ve given up on humanity after the racist Karen in Minneapolis raised a shitload of money off of a Christian based fundraising website while pretending to be the victim of calling a 5 year old racial slurs.
Like we have a problem. Society preinternet didn’t have this problem, society after internet didn’t have this problem you could be called a dick with no recourse.
Once society figured out you can just make money on being a racist asshole and be crowd funded for it, that’s when society went to shit
I saw that headline a few days ago. Was that all it took to make you give up on humanity? Trying to understand.
It’s a bunch of things combined but that just pushed me over the edge.
Understood. It’s a shame to lose you at the start of the fight, but get what you need to hang on and recover.
One strategy I’ve found helpful is taking little breaks from political news and spending time with those around you. It’s been a good antidote for the despair of the news cycle.
And if you need someone to talk to I’m here.
Our species is trash - it has nothing to do with the news cycle. There are just too many fucking stupid people that are being allowed to shit out legions of children.
I sincerely wish there was a virus that killed people who were “too dumb.” It’d be much more peaceful…
#ThanosWasOntoSomething
#HeWasntAndYouKnowIt
The solution to ignorance is knowledge, not eugenics. Also get your ass into therapy before hate consumes you.
I’ve taken a big step back from most apps and social media in general, unless I’m playing Xbox online for 2 hours after 10p’m hardly using the Internet for anything else. .
Plus just got done with daughters club volleyball, now it’s onto softball season… working with her on pitching have to use a lot of YouTube for that because I don’t know how to pitch fast softball. So we’re both sort of learning as we go.
She’s got a Canon for a arm. Like has made my hand hurt on multiple occasions from 40 feet for only being 11. Ive been trying to teach accuracy over speed and a actual coach said not to do that. If they have natural speed. Let them pitch fast and ccuracy will come later.
She’s improved. I’d say 3/10 are strikes, 5/10 will probably get someone to swing at. The other two watch your shins or head 😅. Or in my case sitting on a 5 gallon bucket, the family jewelry. Have had a few close calls
Sorry for delay. Had to take care of a few things offline.
step back from social media
That’s pretty huge. Everyone I’ve known who did that said it improved their life and mental health in lots of ways, and the harder their exit the more enthusiastic they were. Tried it myself back in 2012, and stuff probably wasn’t even as bad back then, but deleting google facebook twitter snap etc really did help me build better relationships and enjoy life more. I still text/chat people and use some forums like lemmy but never have to worry about an algorithm trying to fuck with my head lol
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That is wonderful! While I don’t have kids, I know the feeling of helping young people discover things they’re good at and it’s deeply gratifying. Really cool that you’re there to practice with her too. Having a parent who’s there isn’t a given yet helps so much with basically everything.
3/10 strikes 5/10 swing
From what I understand of baseball rules, that would mean like 8/10 over the plate or close enough for the hitter to attempt? 80% success sounds damn good for a new player. Is it possible she has some natural athleticism and/or hand-eye coordination?
learning together
Ditto re: softball knowledge; could only guess where to begin. Did see a few rounds of a softball game at a pub once and noticed the pitcher would deliberately bounce the ball, which I thought wasn’t a thing in regular baseball. Is this something pitchers in her league practice, like a type of pitch?
Sounds like you know where to seek respite!
I bet the summer weather will be welcomed by you and yours, yeah?
Most of the second amendment crowd have a “daddy” fetish and want to be ruled by a strongman figure. Mostly cuckish cowards
Those who don’t are afraid to arm themselves and share those vibes because it’s a statement, almost a challenge to possible strongman figures. Even if they think their reasons are different.
Those who are not afraid usually haven’t ever considered that they’ll actually have to defend values associated with those vibes.
That’s normal. That’s how it should be. Doing something for real is always a harder decision.
That and the 2a isn’t necessary for resistance. Been done in places without it obviously.
And yes, seems most of them seem quite happy with the current situation. Funny that.
Yep. The common myth is that 2A is for defence against tyranny, but it’s clearly about having people armed and trained to be ready to fight if they’re needed against an invading nation. That’s what the military was in the day: militias, not standing armies.
2A is broken and shouldn’t apply to the modern day, but that doesn’t really matter. It doesn’t matter why we are allowed to have weapons, just that we are and we should defend against those trying to intrude on the rights of others.
Militia is army in Latin, but in the day it already meant how people generally understand it now.
Also you are notoriously wrong about “not standing armies”, people were recruited and served for many years. Of course militaries were scaled up and down depending if it was wartime. Mandatory conscription and mobilization were a new tendency that, in some sense, led to WWI.
I think I want to play “Victoria” again.
2A is broken and shouldn’t apply to the modern day, but that doesn’t really matter.
Yes! Glad you understand that.
There’s a dialectic law with constitutional rights - if they are not on paper, then someone might say they don’t exist. If they are on paper, then someone might say they are given by that paper and exactly as much as written and intended.
Rights just exist, they are a transcendent object that can’t be defined or limited by laws.
I’ve been called a sovcit for saying that, despite it being pretty logical that if rights are limited and defined by law, then over time you’ll have fewer and fewer rights and not vice versa.
There’s a dialectic law with constitutional rights - if they are not on paper, then someone might say they don’t exist. If they are on paper, then someone might say they are given by that paper and exactly as much as written and intended.
Rights just exist, they are a transcendent object that can’t be defined or limited by laws.
This is why the ninth amendment is my favorite, and far too many people know of it. If the people have held certain rights, then they have them whether it’s written down or not, and they cannot be taken away without a good reason.
“The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”
This is how the abortion defence should have been argued in my opinion, but they went the route of defending it through weird implications of other amendments that you have to reach to get. The right to choose to have an abortion is a right that has long been held by the people. It only became an issue with obstetrics, to try to take jobs from midwives.
The same goes for guns and everything else. If we’ve held the rights to something, then it’s protected by the constitution whether it’s explicitly listed or not.
Also you are notoriously wrong about “not standing armies”, people were recruited and served for many years. Of course militaries were scaled up and down depending if it was wartime. Mandatory conscription and mobilization were a new tendency that, in some sense, led to WWI.
I some large nations, like France and England. The US was a tiny and poor nation. It would not have a standing professional military, and they wouldn’t expect it to.
Rights just exist, they are a transcendent object that can’t be defined or limited by laws.
I don’t think rights exist in any meaningful way unless enforced / people agree to follow them. They’re just norms in a nicer suit. There’s no external referee that’s going to stop the game because “your rights are being violated”.
That’s the point, laws and agreements are not rights and don’t affect rights.
There’s no external referee that’s going to stop the game because “your rights are being violated”.
Yes, that’s why they are called rights and not something else.
Yeah but in this county that i reside in only law enforcement can trespass someone.
And they likely won’t.
Hmm, I would check your local law. That is not how it generally works. If someone is on your property and you tell them to leave and that they are trespassed, then they have to leave. Failure to leave is almost always a crime in progress.
Owner / caretaker of any property can trespass anyone on their property. Law enforcement included. Which is why they need a warrant.
Only law enforcement can enforce the trespass. But you are trespassed when informed by a person with authority over the property that your presence is not welcome there. If they fail to leave, you can follow up in the courts.
I wouldn’t be surprised if some cop who ate there wasn’t happy with the service he got and organised this shenanigan
I don’t think legitimate ICE agents would have backed down. Sounds like an attempted kidnapping…
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They more than likely were with ICE. The agency has massively and rapidly expanded its enforcement personnel, and has done so in a haphazard way that has (deliberately) not given them an opportunity to properly train personnel up on procedures and rules and stuff. Nobody who wants to do good in the world is going to work for ICE right now. So, they’ve basically just done a presto gestapo, and a lot of times these guys really are just out there doing the sloppiest, shittiest, and most bully-like law enforcement you could possibly conceive of. I know where I’m posting this, I know what we all generally think of cops here, the current state of ice is about ten rungs down from that. We’re talking real amateur hour shit, and they’ll get away with it if people let them.
The good news is that apparently none of these fucking jokers seem to know or care how to cross t’s and dot i’s. You absolutely can send them packing, just like these folks did, and if they don’t leave, then call your local sheriff’s office or police dept. This is really dependent on your area, metro PD tend to be stocked full of major league assholes, but my local PD is actually pretty chill and has a good working relationship with the community; in my experience, sheriff’s deputies tend to be people who got into law enforcement because they’re true believers in the ideals of law enforcement (protecting life and property, accountability, etc) and constitutional justice, not because they want to flex on minorities. YMMV.
But if you think you can trust one of your local law enforcement agencies, absolutely call up 911 and tell them that you’ve got some people here that are trespassing (they’ve been told to leave and aren’t), seem to be impersonating law enforcement (since they won’t provide proof of ID), and you’re worried that they’re trying to kidnap someone, that you think these people are an imminent threat to your life or someone else’s. That’ll generally get the cops out there in a hurry, and they will likely be not very happy at all that ICE is out here putting on a fucking circus. That, or the agents will hear you and fucking split so that they don’t get clowned on by local law enforcement. There have been plenty of instances of federal agents getting arrested while fucking around; mind you, they’re almost never charged, but nobody walks away from that particularly happy.
Make sure your local hasn’t agreed to enforce for ICE first. https://themarkup.org/tools/2025/04/16/law-enforcement-ice-cooperation-tracker
Sound advice. I know that after a bunch of locals voiced concern about it, our chief said that they are absolutely not working with ICE, and their duty is to serving the whole community first and foremost.
That’s great, I hope most jurisdictions bring that same energy.
Me too. We’ve got a pretty good department here, and I hope we can keep it that way.
Very cool, my city says “No matching records found”. That’s great news!
Great advice. And anyone in authority at a place of employment that might be targeted should know exactly how they intend to respond, meaning they must plan for it. As soon as the thugs make themselves known, execute the plan - get one person on 911 doing what you said, while another confronts them directly to try to force them to leave.
I wonder if there are any resources giving concrete advice on what to do in these scenarios? Kind of like how we have great standard advice from various law professionals, etc., about what to do and not do when detained by police.
Edit to add: even if you expect the local PD to come down against your side, it’s probably still a good idea to call them in. The resulting time and chaos as they get things sorted out may be just enough to do something useful for the vulnerable person needing help. Remember, once that person is in the custody of the gestapo, it’s fucking over, their life is wrecked at best. See only what happened to Kilmar Abrego Garcia for proof.
I think we will need a phone app that modifies the emergency function:
1: When the police are called, the recording function turns on. 2: The ACLU/legal services of choice are given the recording, live, without interfering with the current call. 3: ICE Spotting apps are given your current location, as are designated people in your contact list.
In effect, this allows you to uphold your legal rights, since ICE would likely break your phone when they begin trafficking people, which may include you. Plus, people in the area might be alerted to the presence of ICE, and begin gathering. We should use the bee’s approach and swarm the bastards. Heat is the great weakness of ICE and bullies alike.
This is a fantastic idea. To be clear, anyone working on such a thing will almost certainly gain the administration’s attention, which of course is extremely dangerous. But yes, this should exist!
That’s one thing my campus has done decently–I know that to do if ICE shows up.
- they’re not allowed to just walk in to non-public areas
- we call campus police (whose main jobs seems to be keeping students safe and keeping campus out of the news). Annoyingly, I work in a public building (the library) but my office is private, big, and has a lock on the door. I’m well stocked up in case of a shelter-in-place situation and I’m happy to wait until campus police shows up.
Fuck yeah, stay strong in the struggle my friend!
Thanks. It helps that I’m white enough I glow in the dark. My big worry is that many of my students might be first- and second-generation immigrants from south of the USA and I don’t want them to have to deal with this bullshit.
(I say “might be” because I don’t know anyone’s immigration status and even if I did no I don’t.)
Cheers! And hard agree, those of us with some amount of demographic plot armor, so to speak, gotta deploy that shit lol
I doubt they were actually ICE either.
there is no such thing as a “legitimate ice agent” ;)
That’s the problem when they never or rarely properly identify themselves. You can never truly know if they are to be believed.
Seems like a good time to remember that the nazi secret police were formed out of existing law enforcement agencies.
“When tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty.” Thomas Jefferson
Thomas Jefferson
Damn hack journalists. It was popularised by Petra Kelly (page 768, 82 in pdf) founding member of the German Greens:
But when the laws of the state are in open rebellion against divine law, … then resistance is a duty, but obedience is a crime.
…she was dishing it out with the CDU that’s why she quoted a Pope, in particular Pope Leo XIII, in 1890:
- But, if the laws of the State are manifestly at variance with the divine law, containing enactments hurtful to the Church, or conveying injunctions adverse to the duties imposed by religion, or if they violate in the person of the supreme Pontiff the authority of Jesus Christ, then, truly, to resist becomes a positive duty, to obey, a crime
It then percolated through general Green-adjacent political spheres as a slogan and became “Wenn Unrecht zu Recht wird, dann wird Widerstand zur Pflicht”, “When injustice becomes law, then resistance becomes duty”, losing the “and obedience a crime” part. Usually attributed to Brecht, who probably wouldn’t mind, totally something he’d say. “I can’t eat enough for as much as I want to barf” isn’t Brecht, either, it’s Dürrenmatt. Actual Brecht quotes include “Who does not know the truth is just an idiot, but who knows the truth and calls it a lie is a criminal” as well as “First comes fodder, then morals”. Also, movie recommendation.
In any case, a good rule.
Try telling it to people with relatives\connections behind government desks, even small ones. They immediately either have this absent look as if they are calculating with effort how to best hurt you, or the absolutely hateful look as if no piece of you should exist.
That kind of reaction (EDIT: being so prevalent among that group of people) alone hints that today’s state bureaucracies have overstayed their welcome.
He didn’t ever say that, actually. It was likely first said by an activist in New Zealand https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/jefferson-injustice-resistance-quote/
Okay, but he also said “My 14 year old half-sister looks even better naked”. So…
Oh boy, an ad hominem fallacy in the wild, it’s been a whole 5 seconds since I saw one!
Shut up dork, those are debate club’s words and you haven’t earned the right
The Founding Fathers fetishism so casually overrides peoples’ disgust for incest and pedophilia.
It’s genuinely depressing. America is a failed state.
Not incest. She was his wife’s half-sister, not his.
But that’s okay, whatever little bit of disgust that saved should be made up for by the fact she was their slave.
It’s extra depressing because these fucking stupid CHUDs licking slaver boot don’t seem to know that Jefferson never said or wrote that quote.
“You can’t believe everything you read on the Internet.”
-Mark Twain
It was actually Samuel Clemens who said that.
Cops will take as much freedom as you give them and often they will attempt more than they have been granted. Never give cops an inch they are not legally entitled to. In democracies, laws exist to grant people freedom from the power of the state, not to grant the state freedom from the power of the people. Any laws that grant cops protection from the people are laws of a tyranny. We get only the protections of the state that our rights make possible and no more. Trading freedom for security gets us neither.
In democracies, laws exist to grant people freedom from the power of the state, not to grant the state freedom from the power of the people. Any laws that grant cops protection from the people are laws of a tyranny. We get only the protections of the state that our rights make possible and no more. Trading freedom for security gets us neither.
Correction: In democracies, laws exist to grant power to the state, not to grant people freedom from the state. For example, I’m guessing that in your nearest democracy, there’s probably not a law granting you the freedom to stand still for more than a minute or lie down for more than a minute. The people’s freedom is a default.
Now, perhaps what you were thinking of was that some laws have exceptions (that might be phrased as affirmative defenses). But those aren’t granting freedom to the people, they are restricting law enforcement. It’s like a “tax refund” — the government isn’t giving you their money, it’s returning your own money.
Funnily enough, if I am not violating parking regulations, or being a public issue, I am free to sleep in my car, or chill on a bench all day, in my home state.
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By all means, FIGHT THESE PEOPLE. You owe them nothing.
Incredible to see this kind of solidarity, tbh.
🎶 Stack em high. Stack em high. While they gurgle bleed and die! 🎶
“Batches? We doan need no stinking batches!”
Several restaurants pushed back on Tuesday. Here’s an actual article instead of a tweet:
https://www.washingtonian.com/2025/05/06/ice-agents-are-targeting-dc-restaurants/
Yeah, also it looks like the bird site OP has a substack newsletter with a post that goes into a bit more detail (but reports basically the same thing as that Washingtonian article) - https://migrantinsider.com/p/ice-in-dc-restaurants-brace-for-friday (arc)
At some point, someone is going to fire the first shot. Then it’s open season on ICE agents. And you know what? I’m okay with that.
I do wonder how all the “violence is never the answer” folks will go if it comes to that. I think a lot of them would side with ICE, sadly.
Personally, I won’t be upset if a would-be nazi meets an abrupt end to their career.
You’re absolutely right with thinking they’ll stick with ICE. People who value Status Quo over all else (“it hurts my head thinking about the world changing, why can’t everything just stay the same???”) always have and always will capitulate to Fascist regimes, because it removes the need for critical thought and the obligation to stand for anything. Moderates will be the death of us if we let them.
It’s not a new thought. There’s the grey hypocritical mass that obeys, which is the main body behind any fascist regime.
BTW, von Stauffenberg was pretty extreme right, yet he tried to assassinate Hitler, it’s not known of any moderates trying to do that.
“Violence is never the answer” types are just controlled opposition. Any and every peaceful protest that doesn’t have the risk of escalating to violence can and is just ignored. Did those anti war protests against Bush II’s wars ever amount to anything?
I’m inclined to agree. Unfortunately, a lot of moderators on lemmy and other sites have a very strong “no calls for violence” stance.
Let me be clear to any moderators here: I am not telling people to get an ICE agent pelt. I am simply predicting it will happen and choosing not to be upset about it.
We’re just talking about history here. No one’s calling for violence.
Like violence and threats in the past are okay, but never in the present?
What did I say that was a threat?
If you’re inciting violent civil insurgency, you’re a criminal in the present. If successful, you may be accepted, even celebrated, retrospectively. It’s not a question of right or wrong, but of who is currently in power.
how all the “violence is never the answer”
Which is implicit support for covert, hidden violence. The stronger side, the government, the mafia have an advantage in that. The people have an advantage in open violence between the resistance and them.
It just appears that a lot of people are like “I won’t support violence until it’s bad enough”, well, how those dorks would know it’s bad enough if when violence is unacceptable nobody can resist or raise their voice and it all remains silent until too late? You don’t know when it’s bad enough. You can live your whole remaining life thinking it’s still fine, because all the worthy people have been killed\imprisoned silently.
A citizen doesn’t owe a state any reservation in citizen’s demands. A citizen not having that doesn’t hurt the society, quite the opposite. So if you feel that the situation demands reservation from you, for some supposedly good reasons, then it means it’s very bad. All conflicts in life are too hard and require all your effort and you still often lose, so being reserved for some supposed moral rule without good explanation is not an answer, it’s a scam, a Troyan horse, it means your are being deceived to give up without a fight. Probably that you already have.
Violence is not the answer. Violence is the question. And the answer is “Yes”
That reads like a Cave Johnson quote.
when life asks you if violence is the answer, you BURN THEIR HOUSE DOWN with the LEMON BOMBS‼️‼️
Yes! He’s saying what we’re all thinking!
I hope to see a time when it’s commonly accepted that Starship Troopers is not a fascist book, just a smart one.
The movie does, of course, accuse it of being fascist while pretending it’s satire.
Anyway, in history the conflict seemed like “military with the fascists or under fascists, and often helping fascists”, but in a lot of modern situations it seems that militaries are the component fascists fear most and try to neuter or spend in useless wars or corrupt. Every period of history is different. So maybe Starship Troopers being militarist is not a fascist trait too.
The colonies didn’t resort to violence when unfairly taxed, they just offered a tea party.
Ooops. Sounds like you accidentally picked up a Texas MAGA “history” book? Or maybe one covering the 18th century or before?
Read some news.
Countries simply taking land they want, killing millions, and getting away with it is still a thing.Or maybe one covering the 18th century or before?
Have you ever heard about the WW2?
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whats the last line meant to mean
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I wonder if the director told that actor “have, just, the worst trigger discipline. Make it look like you have no business handling a firearm.”
In the movie this is right after he executes 2 Chinese journalist, so lack of trigger discipline kinda makes sense. Oh and he’s about to try to execute a bunch more people in the up coming moments
Agreed. Dude was unhinged and didn’t give a fuck about any of that in this scene. Which obviously made it more tense
I’m not sure how well received this movie is but I really enjoyed it. The movie did a good job at not really identifying this characters “military affiliation” as well as the first group of militia they ran into. To my knowledge, nothing really identified these two groups as being affiliated with the government or resistance, so the tendency to just kill everyone you don’t know is probably how most things would get handled in the fallout/duration of a civil war.
I still think about this scene a lot because I’ve been there sheen relatively normal people casually talked about going to cities and shooting "democrats“ while also talking about the guns they were currently buying. I should have turned them in.
I should have turned them in.
And put yourself on the list to be visited by “ICE.”
I have too many family members who are Leo, plus other reasons why they shouldn’t do that. Plus it would be homeland security or FBI for various other reasons. But it could be ICE because I know a lot of immigrants. It would be a clusterfuck.
Anonymously ofcourse.
