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Man I feel like a large part of the internet is out of reach.
Why have I got to sign up for tiktok just to watch this happen?
Shit like this used to be easily finable on google or something. Now I can’t seem to find shit. All I get get in news articles about it.
That’s generally a good thing, those kids don’t need their bullshit going viral outside of tiktok. Give it 3 months for Instagram to pick up 5% of it, and then FB can pick up 5% of that.
Yea but if I want to find something I want to be able to find it.
Eh, I kinda like the ephemeral nature of most tiktoks, having things go viral within a group of like 10,000 people, to the extent that if you’re tangentially connected to the group, you and everyone you know has seen it, but nobody outside that group ever sees and it vanishes into the ether like a month later makes it a little more personal.
Looks good to investors when they say “this many accounts use this platform.”
It’s all a part of conditioning people to accept more and more abuse so rich people can get richer.
They don’t want people with standards. They want people with Stockholm Syndrome.
Let me give you a bit of the outside of the story as well.
For sure tiktok and meta and Google want you in their walled Garden for all the obvious reasons. However, and it’s gotten even worse as of late, if you have any kind of computationally expensive but desirable content/data the crawlers/scrapers/scripters will pummel your site. Despite how annoying you find the captchas and bot detection a computer doesn’t give too shits about it and at this point they basically serve as a rate limit or effort to make your content too computationally expensive to scrape and be worth it.
While accounts don’t necessarily solve this problem they do help as another impediment.
How about the “graduate from highschool challenge”?
Felony conviction any % speed run.
Fuck chromebooks anyways, Google shouldn’t be allowed to steal so much information about our youth directly from the devices they use at school. They should be using laptops with Linux installed on them, preferably Pop!OS to preserve the kids privacy.
I don’t condone damaging school property, although I think it’s a lesser evil to Google’s privacy practices on Chromebooks.
I agree but I’m not sure why specifically popos though
Pop!OS is an Ubuntu-based Linux distribution featuring a custom GNOME desktop.
It is designed to have a minimal amount of clutter on the desktop without distractions in order to allow the user to focus on work.
This distro was also designed with security and privacy in mind.
So students can more easily focus on their work while also being more secure and private while using an easy to use interface, I know it’s not the only one but its a good one!
Linux mint or something fedora based are also good choices. Lots of flavors out here in the linux world.
Yeah, no worry about the lithium fires. Fuck those chromebooks.
They should be using Debian, the universal operating system.
Debian works too, it really doesn’t matter as long as its not windows and google Chromebook crap.
Linux distros aren’t all made the same, but they’re all pretty much the same in spirit. Tux is universal.
I personally think that Pop!OS is a user friendly distro that would be an easy introduction to Linux for students while also focusing on privacy and security with less clutter.
I’m with you, but that’s not the reason these kids are doing this. It’s because they are idiots.
r/kidsarefuckingstupid
Chromebooks are absolute garbage.
Most computers I have used over the last 15 years will disable USB power if you short out the port (working with electronics you tend to replicate the “sticking scissors into a USB port” with some regularity)
Pencil lead I am sure causes other issues though… it gets red hot and melts eventually
Is there a better option schools should be buying at a similar price point?
I would ask what value chromebooks add to education?
We are not teaching kids to do anything with them other than consume Google and Adobe services.
It’s no better than schools were when I was in school where we used windows and mainly learned to consume Microsoft products.
Welcome fellow codger. Back in my day we had books made from real paper and we loved in. Handing in an assignment meant writing by hand in actual paper and physically handing it to the teacher.
Everything is online. My kids have had very few physical textbooks in years. “Writing a paper” means typing into a n online document. “Handing in” an assignment means dropping some sort of file into an online folder. It’s not really a matter of learning anything, but that school resources are all online and every student needs access.
Also the online services are all “free”. Yeah they might be exploited by advertising but no kid pays and no kid is locked into a commercial vendor (Google at least doesn’t charge)
I’m not entirely sure, but I found having easy access to a computer helped me with school work. I imagine these level the field a bit since perhaps not all kids have easy access to computers otherwise?
Usually, organizations would want to manage all of then from a single interface and keep the devices locked down. Chromebooks usually won’t allow you to tamper with the OS in any way. (not easily, anyways)
I mean, you can’t have kids playing video games on a school-issued laptop in the back of the classroom, right?
Plus, only a large corporation could even provide the device support like repairs and stuff. Unless small companies can manage to provide support for schools around the country (or even the world, depending on how large they want to expand), for the mean time, its seems like Chromebooks have won. 🤷♂️
Nearly 20 years ago, I was in a computer programming class surrounded by clunky towers and desktops.
Suddenly, a loud popping, then one of the machines starts belching smoke like a budget fog machine. The kid using it is calmly moved to another station while the prof investigates.
Fifteen minutes later - pop. Smoke again.
Turns out the kid was jamming a paperclip into the power supply like he was playing Operation: Arson Edition.
That was his last day.
On the bright side, computers are a lot cheaper now - and kids are still dumb. So, maybe progress?
I have the same memory, except the teacher would just pop his head out from the office and tell us to knock it off. Someone managed to draw a giant line of Axe spray across the electronics desk/counter things and made a massive fireball. Nobody really got in trouble in that class.
We just pulled stupid pranks, like setting a repeating function with sound at the highest frequency in BASIC and locking the machines… on all the computers.
This seems like something they should have engineered out of a product primarily used by schoolchildren.
Engineer out the electricity?
You can design something to survive pin shorting.
They said 20 years ago. We literally had ‘use a paperclip to turn on the computer on the test bench’ as the standard practice. Designing things for people to do them wrong was very much not the style at the time.
My cousin partially set his bedroom on fire doing something very similar with the foil from chewing gum. This was in the 1980s though so no one really cared, I’m pretty sure he just got shouted at.
Parents and psychiatrists have been trying to wrap their heads around how some of the more dangerous Internet trends take off, especially among kids.
Kids are dumb and they do dumb things. There’s not really that much to wrap one’s head around.
And it’s not even like Internet trends are a new thing. TikTok has simply offered a platform that’s extra predatory about it.
I can imagine that TikTok has been for Internet trends, to what slot machines did for gambling.
Yeah, like, first time?
The presentation has changed slightly but the content is much the same. Back in the good old days I was a moderator on Totse forums (the original, but its web bulletin board incarnation and not when it was a BBS) and we literally had an entire subforum just titled “Bad Ideas.” This was where things got launched, torched, smoked, blown up, stolen, scammed, or otherwise mutilated. Or at the very least all of the above talked about, at length. All of this with an strong implicit suggestion to try it yourself. Most of the kiddos did not actually have the means to pull of what they claimed they did but the ones who could and more importantly had the means to prove it were celebrities. Usually only for a short time, for various reasons.
The early Internet was basically just a repository for bickering about Star Trek, low grade porn, plans for how to build potato cannons, or schemes involving smoking dried banana peels. An immense amount of stupidity has always been there to be found, because the place was and is full of teenagers and teenagers are stupid.
I sure was, when I was one.
Anyone else remember kids watching videos of other kids nearly choking to death on cinnamon, and thinking “hey this looks like fun”?
Or the “chug a gallon of milk” thing? Those “trends” were just weirdly masochistic and sadistic. It wasn’t even misinformation or anything. Kids watched other kids suffer, and then chose to suffer too.
I can imagine that TikTok has been for Internet trends, to what slot machines did for gambling.
It’s closer to what mobile apps did for gambling. Crazy how quickly that was normalized in the US, and it’s tragic how easily people can just delete thousands of dollars from their bank account on a whim from the comfort of their couch.
I guess what I’m saying is, maybe sometimes children and adults really do need some protection from their stupid impulses.
To be more specific than mobile apps, sports betting apps are so insanely predatory
Wouldn’t the port get shutdown/disabled if you try to overload it?
Yes, this can basically only happen by puncturing the battery
the wise committee who designed such ports made the directly access the rest of motherboard and CPU
We live in hell
Youthful rebellion transcends technology.
Is there much difference between this and, say, using a pen to drill a hole in your desk?
Thank you, it’s relieving to see that some people don’t fall for the “kids today” bullshit
I’ve never done that either. The fuck? did you eat paint as a kid?
Drilling a hole in your desk doesn’t lead to cancer.
Pen is less likely to start a fire and or create toxic smoke.
We did it for the love of the game and not to impress strangers
Bullshit you did it to impress the other nosepickers, same reason these kids are doing it.
Yup, the nose pickers just moved online.
Desks are cheaper, and the hole only slightly impairs functionality.
They also don’t release magic smoke. All my homies hate vandalizing desks.
I’m not so sure about cheaper. A quick google search shows the desks I used in school are priced around $400-$600 depending on type (different subjects had different desks), whereas the Chromebooks are around $250. I definitely agree with your second point, though.
i don’t know much about school desk but I can get a nice standing desk for $600. That is nuts.
Also I wonder if they sell replacement parts.
Industrial strength furniture that can withstand decades of abuse is not cheap.
And isn’t rendered unusable by a “hole drilled by a pen”. The person comparing a desk to a Chromebook is making a ridiculous comparison.
I’m sure the schools don’t pay that much for the desks (or the Chromebooks) since they buy in bulk – those are just the prices I could find for single units. I was more trying to show the difference in price, rather than exactly how much the schools spend.
Not even that, but they are simple and repairable. I remember we had these sleigh-style desks (same idea except the seat was one-piece molded plastic) that were a total of four parts (two rails, the seat and the desk top) aside from bolts/hardware, and they had a graveyard of parts to replace pieces as needed. And those desk were tough as all hell.
Sounds great, but… unfortunately, it seems impossible to tilt on the chair with those, which I see as an essential part of going to school.
Also, the heights of the chair and table seem unadjustable, and it seems the pupil is seated too far away from the desktop to actually be comfortable.
What a useless piece of piss. Yeah, at least it’s repairable, but is such a stupid piece of faulty furniture even worth repairing?
Again, that was the style and not the exact ones we had, but yeah they were all fixed position, however ours weren’t too bad. I dunno, I don’t remember anyone complaining much, I was on the taller side of my peers and fit fine while I recall even the smaller kids were alright too. Id wager a big reason they were chosen was so kids couldn’t balance on the back legs, fall back and crack dome. They were great for cracking your back!
What sort of hole were you drilling in a desk with a pen in order to completely render the desk unusable?
Also, most school laptops are old. Someone did this at my school and got charged (iirc) $175 since it was the really old kind
Huh. Never realized chromebooks were priced that low.
Thanks for the correction.
They are very cheap. We had to buy them ourselves for our kids, which at least gave choices. We settled n $400 because for the cost of the cheapest piece of shit laptop, we could get a high end Chromebook that ran circles around it: faster, much more durable, much lighter, multiple times battery life
Chromebooks are designed to be cheap and disposable. I’ve seen some as low as ~$100. That doesn’t mean you can’t get some very expensive ones, but since they basically only allow you to use Google and a select few apps from the play store, I don’t know why the expensive ones exist.
I used to have one as my primary work device for a few years. Honestly, it was surprisingly usable once you find online analogs for all typical things you do on a computer.
The biggest issue is you’d be using a free online service for some application, and then they start charging per month or the company goes under and you lose your work, so you have to keep finding new services and exporting your work to a common format that won’t disappear to a central file system like Drive diligently.
I got an EOL Chromebook for $50, dropped Mint on it & use it to run a 3D printer instead of a raspberry pi.
laptops > raspberry pi imo. Having a screen is SO useful. I just got an old laptop to watch YouTube and mp4s on my TV without ads. Way better than the slow ad filled Roku OS
its cheap when you consider the desk could still be fully functional 100 years from now. good luck getting a chromebook to last even a quarter of that
Aren’t the families responsible for the damages?
Yes they are. These 9th graders are feral though. That realization would require forethought.
Some of these kids should have been sent out to cut trail for a year between HS and Middle School.
What does “cut trail” mean in this context? Do you mean literally going to walking trails and maintaining them? Is there precident for that?
That was what I was referring to. I was being a bit hyperbolic, but a year in national service (beyond just the military) to do community service and gain skills in general not a new proposal. Pete Buttigieg suggested it after HS as part of his candidacy during the 2020 democratic primary.
I was having a similar conversation with my teen - out hiking and wondering how the trails were built and maintained. We talked scouting service projects and all the way back to the WPA, but have no actual info. The park is a hill so there are several rough stone stairways up to the ridge trail. They probably last years but do need attention
Occasionally you see online ideas about a year of service for every new adult and this would be a good option
*Junior High
In the states I’ve lived in, Junior High and Middle school are both synonymous with grades 6-8
This is highly dependent on the state and even the areas within a state. Here in California for instance we have the Williams Act which lays out a ton of guidance. Some of which impact students paying for things at schools. Some districts in the state view Williams Act and 1:1 Chromebook deployments as being something that the student/parents aren’t responsible for paying for even when they purposefully damage it. This can change though from region to region in the state based on how a districts legal team and its board chooses to read the law since no one so far (at least as far as I was last aware and I work in edtech) has pushed to see where it stops or starts. I’ve worked for districts that were on separate ends of that spectrum and even in the district that made parents pay for damages we still would give them a replacement and not charge them since it was added to a “tab” and only if they wanted transcripts did they have to pay.
That’s fair. In my district your insurance is covered if you qualify for assistance, but intentional damage isn’t included in insurance.
In my school we will still replace the Chromebook though (barring admin or district saying otherwise), and the financial impact will be fought by others at the district level. It’s above my pay grade.
It’d be a crying shame if the students were required to complete the school year with physical books and a notebook.
Normally that’s exactly what they would do if enough students destroyed their computers to blow through the loaners. The frustrating thing is this is happening right when schools are set to do state testing and state testing is mostly online now. This requires every student in the building to have a device at the same time. Normally all the loaners would be for kids who forgot theirs that day.
Kids were doing dumb shit like this before there was a TikYik to put it on.
the worst part is expecting kids to learn about computers using a fucking Chromebook.
Chromebooks aren’t replacing computer classes. They’re replacing textbooks and mimeographed handouts for a variety of classes. Most of that stuff is web based now, and Chromebooks are cheap so they’re the perfect tool for the job.
They’re not learning. They’re being implanted into Googles software as a service model. Get the kids on Gmail when they’re young and they’ll never use anything else.
Yep.
Same shit happened when conditioning students to use “PowerPoint” for science fairs.
The indoctrination starts young.
Yeah and then they enter the workforce and find that everyone uses outlook. Despite all of Google’s attempts I don’t know any businesses that actually use g suite mostly because Microsoft bundle O365 with everything these days so there’s no point business is going out and buying a second licence for software they essentially already have.
We’re going to have a whole generation of kids pretty soon that are going to be entering the workforce and they’re barely going to be able to operate a mouse and keyboard. Although it’s not really the Chromebook at fault this started with the damn iPads. Why were schools issuing iPads to students anyway, they have the absolute worst possible UX for note-taking.
That’s like if you taught the next generation of carpenters using Fisher-Price toy tools (all sponsored by Fisher-Price, by paying huge campaign money to the politician).
Perhaps it’s more like “Kids short-circuiting school issued chromebooks because of excessive surveillance.”
…but probably not (or at least, not entirely) because many kids are dumb.
source: was a dumb kid.
Excessive surveillance? It’s school property lol
It’s school property with a camera and microphone in their homes lol
Recording everything just in case they’re cheating lol
You’re assuming that they’re ones that leave the school property. You’re also assuming that they are constantly recording audio and video, which being chromebooks we know they’re most likely not since they’re low spec low storage devices since they’re cloud based.
This is also assuming there’s some mastermind at the school compiling all this data versus some teacher working essentially a second job dealing with broken chromebooks every day because kids are irresponsible. Suggeating this is anything but good old fashioned vandalism of school property is ludicrous, but it’s also an expected conclusion for here on Lemmy. Some of the comments in this thread are seriously unhinged.
To sum it up, kids are dumb and always have been and it’s nothing more than that.
Check out the down/up votes on your comment vs mine, and also the stupid conspiracy theory one I replied to. People on here are so brainwashed that they follow every dogpile they see, which in this case is purely because of who is saying something - me in this case. I’ve got a bunch of lemmings following every comment I make across instances just spouting hatred and abuse and downvoting and reporting everything. An admin has even confirmed to me that 90% of the reports they get, and there are lots, are from the same users over and over and over on every comment I make.
Lemmy is so far beyond gone it’s not even funny at this point. The actual reality and truth doesn’t matter, only what the mob decides does.
Yeah, here and Reddit, I find myself nodding along often enough, and that’s when I know I should perhaps adjust my viewpoint, just for the sake of making sure I’m not just nodding along. It’s unfortunate you’re perhaps being brigaded a bit, but it doesn’t matter. I say what I’m gonna say, people can think whatever. I like to think that we can come here speak on things, have philosophical discussions, but it feels like sometimes the whole discussion has been aimed in a certain direction before it even got underway.
Yeah I don’t care about “karma” or any scores, but I do like to use it as a way to gauge the “temperature” of the conversation. As soon as the dogpiling starts happening, and benign comments that are in no way disagreeable - or even the same as other comments that are highly upvoted - are mass downvoted, you know that you’re in a circle jerk echo chamber.
I’ll happily continue voicing my opinion and defending my stance, but I know it’s a losing battle because the majority aren’t here to actually learn or discuss or change their minds - they’re here to circle jerk and tell each other how bad the thing they hate is and shame those who don’t hate it as much as they do.
It happens, for security sake it’s usually safer to prepare for the worst case scenario.
Hi there, I’m currently in highschool. You don’t understand how school laptops work. There was a court case where a school laptop was recording from a child’s home - it actually happened.
Also when you shut the screen it doesn’t turn off all the way. I’ve had times where I shut the screen, out it in my bag and 45 minutes later on my Bluetooth headphones I’ll head the windows notification sound.
And just for clarity, do I personally believe that they are spying with audio/video? probably not tbh.
Do they track EVERYTHING you do on the laptop? yes. Very obviously yes.Hi there, I’m a tech enthusiast who has worked in the industry longer than you’ve been alive. I know how they work, but thanks for trying to teach me (honestly, good on you for the way you’ve gone about your post)
Closing the screen hasn’t been a complete shutdown in at least a decade. It defaults to a low power state. On devices that are more “always on” like Win10onARM and Chromebook devices, they default to a low power state that still receive notifications etc. This can be changed, but likely not on a school owned and issued device.
Yes, they obviously track everything you do on school issued devices. This should be clear to everyone. It would be spelled out in the terms and conditions of getting it in the first place. The case you’re talking about was almost 20 years ago iirc (2007 I believe), and the photos taken by the device were part of a “help us retrieve stolen devices” thing, that was “not adequately explained” to the parents/kids. It would regularly take photos so it could have evidence of who stole them and where they might be.
Nah, before Chromebooks we’d vandalize the text books and desk.
I would take the balls from mice
And also computer mice
Which also meant that they had to seal them in…
Which means that you couldn’t clean them out when they got dirty.
Fun times.
Good. Less spyware machines in the world.
