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I’d find it almost funny, how much capitalism as a system seems to favor those who are most capable and willing to detach morality from their actions for capital gain, if it weren’t so sad.
There are good criticisms of other economic systems that have been tried, but capitalism really seems designed to transfer the most power and resources to the greediest and least ethical.
No but you don’t understand.
Capitalism works because it pits everyone against each other and so even though every single person is greedy and unethical, they begrudgingly improve society overall because of reasons.
All we have to do is make sure we teach every child that all humans are fundamentally greedy and evil and the only ethical response is to out-greedy and out-evil them.
And then we’ll have a prosperous society!
- Adam Smith basically
I understand your point, and i totally understand the hatred of capitalism, because it is a cruel system.
Just let me put things into context, though:
Capitalism isn’t the fundamental origin of the difficulties of our time. The difficulties have already existed earlier. There were the romans who waged war against basically the rest of the world, putting many people in hardship, and then there were the English in the 18th century who developed the modern version of capitalism.
In the roman system, it was all about power. You conquer some other country to get its resources, and you use these resources for personal gains. So it was direct personal greed.
The english refined the system in the way that they said, “alright, people are fundamentally greedy, but at least let’s try to put that to good use. let’s use the destructive power as positively as possible”. And then they went and designed a system where companies that are more fit to provide attractive products to others gain power; As such, greedy assholes have an incentive to provide something to others, even if it’s ultimately to their own gains.
I understand it’s a small positive in an overwhelming crushing wave of greed and sociopathy; i just wanted to explain the background of modern-day capitalism and the origin of “companies” the way we know them today.
Insert Winston Churchill quote here.
Not tipping isn’t rude.
if you’re utilizing a service that pays subminimum wage conditional on tips making up the difference, then yes, it’s not rude. it’s straight up evil.
if you have a moral objection to tipping, then dont use services that pay workers subminimum wage
But the evil is in the hyper capitalist mindset of your insane government
you’re right, im wrong. next time i see someone busking im gonna take his tip cup and tell him what you just said. if he asks “why are you denying me my money that i worked for” ill just tell him “im not evil its just the system that makes you homeless”
If it makes you feel better you can say that but it’s not going to change the actual world around you. I don’t tip. It’s because my government is not hyper capitalist. I would move away from a hyper capitalist society, or demand policy with my entire work. I would not participate.
well dude you’re not in a position to be using the services that require tipping. why not lead with that? I don’t flick the queen’s bean either but not because i turn down the opportunity.
if you’re in the system, it’s a different story. have a good day outsider. “i would just move” lmao
If you’re somewhere like Australia or Japan, where it’s not a normal part of the culture, then fine
If you’re somewhere in the US where the laws around pay are shitty, and people rely on tips to survive, then you’re a cunt for not tipping
I think tipping is shit, and that people should just be paid properly, but I’m not blind to the realities of life when I travel. So I do what is appropriate to be a decent person
Wouldn’t that typically be called an enabler?
No, it would be called complying with the system that exists.
Enabling the status quo.
An individual not tipping has no impact on the status quo because the system doesn’t care about the reason people don’t tip.
A large number of people choosing not to purchase goods and services from businesses that rely on tipping could possibly have an impact, although it would probably be easier to get the laws changed than organize that many people.
People “organize” naturally. Theres already wide negative sentiment around tipping and especially the new places tips are asked for. We also don’t fix things until they break, so preventing it from breaking is counterproductive.
new places tips are asked for
We are not talking about those places. They can fuck off and I don’t tip there.
We are talking about wait staff who get the exceptionally low base pay where the majority of their income is expected to be from tips.
sounds like the kind of argument that got Trump elected
That depends entirely upon the context. There are many situations where not tipping is rude. There are also situations where tipping is rude. “Rude” is a quality related to social expectations. You can be unintentionally rude due to ignorance of the norms, and that doesn’t necessarily make you a bad person. But if you knowingly refuse to tip when tipping is expected for a provided service, then you’re a shitbag.
then you’re a shitbag.
Not those refusing to pay them properly?
Yes, the people refusing to pay them properly are the shitbags. The employer is a shitbag, and the customer who refuses to tip is a shitbag.
If you knowingly buy chinese goods produced with slave labor you’re a shitbag and they’re a shitbag. There can be more than one shitbag in the chain.
slave labor
china
lmao you could have said coco or diamonds or meat packing or the World Cup or gestured vaguely at the country with the highest prison population, but you had to go with the fictional example. Or do you genuinely think China has slaves driving combine harvesters (unlike Angola or a dozen other prisons where slaves pick cotton by hand)?
Tankies can fuck off.
I mean I don’t like tankies either but is this user wrong? it’s a little weird to use these flippant (and frankly, derogatory) stereotypes about China when there are so many examples of it around the world
it’s 2025 and we’re in middle of a trade war with china, just recovering from “kung flu” narratives and the far right just ran on a platform of fearmongering about china to initiate a fascist takeover of the USA.
maybe we should be mindful of how we talk about China.
I mean I don’t like tankies either but is this user wrong?
Yes. Do you have reputable sources that show no chinese goods are made using Uyghur forced labor?
Not agreeing with american propaganda = tankie, got it.
You must have big wrinkly brain mister.
how far do you want to take it, though? who made your socks?
https://carolinahosiery.com/ And I can not recommend them enough. Seriously the best work socks I’ve found.
I want to take it as far as it needs to go.
don’t know why i’m getting downvoted, i was just trying to make a point. and you countered beautifully.
Mine was too at first. Lemmings be lemmings. It kind of acts like when reddit started doing “vote fuzzing”. I don’t pay them any mind.
If someone is not even attempting to getting the law that allows their core income to come from tips changed that makes one complicit and therefore obligated to tip.
If you are fine with server’s primary income coming from tips then you are obligated to tip.
Lol… How is this a meme.
Anyway, just avoid joints that need tipping. Fuck the restaurant industry and their fucking owners. I am done with that shite
Tipping amount goes up and quality of food and service down
Then they act indignant when three dudes need the check separate 🤡
WTF am I tipoing for, asshole?
Anyway, just avoid joints that need tipping.
That was always encouraged. If you don’t want to tip, don’t eat at restaurants in places where tipping is relied upon.
I tip cash so the server doesn’t need to share the tip with anyone when I do go out…
Remember folks this is an adversarial arrangement, fuck the owner 🐸
We should end tipping culture. Wages should never be optional, and anyone working full time should be paid by their employer a living wage as described by FDR when the minimum wage was created.
Until we end tipping culture, tip your servers. You’re not some edgy social justice warrior by quoting Mr. Pink and acting like keeping your two dollars is somehow helping. You’re just an asshole.
Calling it culture sounds a bit weird to me it’s an exploitative loophole that’s illegal in cultured places.
That’s fair. We should call it regulation and labor laws. Minimum wage laws specifically enshrine tipping as a foundation of server wages, and closing that loophole is a necessary first step.
Well in Australia we don’t have tipping.
You sure you don’t use some other word? You guys have one of the best accents out there but can be tough to understand.
The single best thing people can do to end tipping culture is to just stop tipping.
Vote for social safety nets or make donations to care for those who will be harmed by this.
But right now it’s people like you that are perpetuating tipping culture.
And yes, I am an asshole - but it’s not solely because of my stance on tipping.
Lol, I’m sure your reasoning is really going to make a difference to the person depending on tips to make rent. And I’m sure the owner is just going to feel terrible that his server didn’t get compensated.
Maybe you should just avoid giving your business to restaurants that exploit the tip based system? You aren’t ending tipping culture by not tipping, you’re just taking advantage of workers just as much as the owners.
If a person doesn’t tip, their server doesn’t get tipped.
If that same person avoids giving business to restaurants that exploit the tip based system, the same server still doesn’t get tipped.
You’re not ending tipping culture by tipping, either. Just saying.
the same server still doesn’t get tipped.
They may have more time or availability for someone who does tip, plus they aren’t wasting their labour on someone.
You’re not ending tipping culture by tipping, either. Just saying.
Yeah, but I never claimed I was attempting to end tipping culture by wasting people’s time and effort.
Again, why not just support businesses that don’t rely on tipping to pay their staff?
the same server still doesn’t get tipped.
They may have more time or availability for someone who does tip, plus they aren’t wasting their labour on someone.
Oh, wow. Suddenly they’re not being paid at all only because one person doesn’t tip? How does that work?
Yeah, but I never claimed I was attempting to end tipping culture by wasting people’s time and effort.
Not tipping wastes nobody’s time. That’s not how time works. You did say “You aren’t ending tipping culture by not tipping, you’re just taking advantage of workers just as much as the owners” which I turned around on you, though. Also, what you said here is wrong because I don’t exploit anybody’s labour by not tipping since I’m not getting paid to eat out. You understand that.
Again, why not just support businesses that don’t rely on tipping to pay their staff?
Why didn’t I think of that and not do it for the last 20 years? You really opened my eyes to the most obvious thing ever! I already don’t perpetuate a system that exploits workers. Maybe you should too.
Oh, wow. Suddenly they’re not being paid at all only because one person doesn’t tip? How does that work?
Lol, I’m guessing you’ve never worked in a restaurant before? If you are taking one of their tables and they are having to serve you, and you don’t tip…they don’t get money for that table and whatever time you used it for. If you hadn’t taken up the table, they may have gotten a customer who wasn’t an asshole.
Not tipping wastes nobody’s time
It wastes the servers time, but you don’t seem to think that matters.
which I turned around on you, though.
How, by being wrong?
I don’t exploit anybody’s labour by not tipping since I’m not getting paid to eat out. You understand that.
Tipping is wrong because it turns over the responsibility of labour expense to the customer. You, the customer are denying that labour expense and leaving the labourer unpaid for their labour. Meaning you are participating and taking advantage of their labour.
Why didn’t I think of that and not do it for the last 20 years?
Lol, you are still participating in the tip culture if you give your business to places that rely on tipping, but don’t tip. The owner still gets paid and doesn’t give a shit if the server does or not.
And if you are saying you don’t go to places that accept tips, then why are you even fucking talking to me? My whole point was that people who don’t like tipping culture shouldn’t go to places that accept tips.
I know how tipping works, thank you. If I’m not being tipped for waiting a table, I still get paid hourly wages, meaning I get money for that table or any other I wait during my work hours. If I hadn’t taken that table, I would still make hourly wages. I can’t believe you don’t know that. You’re not just acting obtuse, are you?
Not tipping wastes nobody’s time. Servers are paid by the hour. Hours are time. Servers do not get to leave earlier when they receive tips. Do you think restaurant owners waste servers’ time by underpaying them? Be honest.
You know what turning something around on someone means. If you’re unsure what happened, please make use of the scrolling up technology and use your eyes and brain to read what it says there. You already agreed that tipping doesn’t end tipping culture, so your act doesn’t really make sense now.
I don’t employ servers, so it is in no way my responsibility to pay their wages. I’m responsible for paying for the food and service that I receive. The owner is responsible to pay for the labour they receive. Rather simple in concept, really. It’s fine if you’re OK with picking up someone’s employer’s tab, I won’t. Just don’t confuse who’s exploiting who just because you so desperately want to shift the blame away from the restaurant owner. Why are you even doing that? You’re in a situation where one guy says “hey, you’re going to work for me full time but I’m only paying you a fraction even though I receive the full labour. If you’re lucky, my customers donate some of their money to your living expenses. Most do, the others are huge assholes, right?” and you go “right, that’s very fair and sensible. Thank you so much for this opportunity, Mr Moneybags! Oh, the system surely sucks but apart from shaming customers into shelling out for what you systematically withhold, there’s just nothing that could be done :(” Does your family own a restaurant or something?
What part of “I haven’t frequented tipped restaurants in 20 years” did you not understand? Obviously I have an opinion on tipping, how are you having trouble understanding that I would voice it in a public forum when that is the topic? You made a shitty point and I commented on it, why would not going to tipped restaurants keep me from doing that, exactly? Your logic is fucked up all around.
Bullshit, and that’s a dangerously naive perspective. If everyone stopped tipping tomorrow, the only people that would be hurting are the people who serve.
All labor regulations exist because there will always be someone desperate enough to do anything for a paycheck. Child laborers. Prostututes. Dallas Cowboys. People will do anything for money, and the only way to prevent exploitation is with regulation. The “free market” will turn your bones into paste before it provides a living wage to laborers.
Capitalism is an unbalanced power dynamic that relies on an excess of desperation. If people didn’t need to sell their time, they’d never sell it for less than it is worth to employers. So if everyone agreed to just stop tipping, service would get much worse, and servers would be working for $2.10 an hour plus kitchen scraps.
At least we agree on uour last point.
If everyone stopped tipping tomorrow, the only people that would be hurting are the people who serve.
Who would then not want to work in those places that depends entirely of tipping. And then it hurts the owners of those places.
How are you unable to realise this? It is all connected.
That’s literally the rest of the comment. Did you just stop reading there?
That’s not. How. Tipped. Wages. Work.
Why do people insist that you get paid 2.10/hr? That’s 2.10/hr + Tips IF AND ONLY IF that wage equals more than minimum wage. That’s how it’s always been.
If minimum wage is 7.25 (in a lot of states, it still is), then they are paid 7.25x40 OR 2.10x40+tips, whichever of those two numbers is higher. They CANNOT LEGALLY PAY YOU less than minimum wage.
So when people say “If you stopped tipping today, all that would be hurt is the tipped workers” I’m less inclined to believe them if they also parrot absolutely false information without a second thought.
But I do agree with you, tipped wage jobs suck, and the tips seem to be the only benefit. So, let’s ensure they get a proper wage from their employer, stop tipping, and if service sucks until things are figured out, I guess I’m eating at home or eating shitty-service burgers because I’d rather the system get un-fucked than continue to engage in that system.
You’ve never worked a tipped job, have you? Estimate the percentage of employers who pay minimum wage if tips are too low. Throw out any number.
“You’ve never worked a tipped job have you?”
Proceeds to describe an illegal situation
Wow, you’ve never worked a job before, huh?
Nah, it’s a known cultural fact that tipped wages are offloaded directly onto the consumer. Not paying them is refusing to participate in the game of capitalism in the worst possible way. By withholding the wages of your fellow worker but continuing to do business with their employer, you are just increasing the value extracted from them.
If you don’t want to tip, don’t go to tipped restaurants.
That’s it. That’s the only ethical play to avoid tipping. Don’t participate at all, don’t fund the unethical business model at all. As it stands, not tipping doesn’t threaten the business model - they still get paid.
Until we end tipping culture, tip your servers.
If everyone continues to tip by default, then I believe this will delay or prevent an end to the culture. If servers don’t have an issue with tipping (because everyone does so), then there is less reason to support change.
If one person doesn’t tip:
You’re just an asshole.
If a large majority doesn’t tip:
Maybe there is a problem with tipping by default?
If the large majority doesn’t tip, wait staff will become homeless. That’s the only “message” you’re sending. Restaurant owners won’t care in the slightest.
Don’t patronize organizations that don’t pay their employees. This is the message, you’re claiming you want to send. You have to take money away from the people who set the policy, not the worker who has to live under the policy. Find restaurants that refuse tips and spend your money there. (Or just don’t go out.)
Until we end tipping, tip your servers.
…not the worker who has to live under the policy.
They don’t have to work there.
They do, their alternatives are being homeless, or working at another company that’s very likely managed the exact same way.
The lack of a social safety net or sufficient welfare, empowers exploitative labour conditions.
They do, their alternatives are…
So they don’t.
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Restaurants are the backstop for a lot of people that have nowhere else to work. They aren’t worried about a spotty background check, they won’t run a drug screening, they just care that you show up on time.
Are you advocating for no more servers? Or are you suggesting that only the desperate should do the job? Or is your point that someone who chooses to be victimized by society should simply accept their rung on the ladder?
That’s not how anything works. If you want change, you need to vote for it. You’re not going to change the entire economic structure of the whole restaurant industry by being a selfish asshole. You’re just punishing the people who handle your food and making life harder for everyone.
It definitely does not work in an environment where lazy aggressive apatheists will support a system they don’t like by claiming it can’t be changed.
First day on Earth? Welcome. Mind the dog shit, some people don’t pick up after themselves.
Who do I vote for specifically to end tipping culture?
I don’t know where you live, but start local. And in the meantime, stop going to restaurants.
Exactly! Don’t stiff the worker, stiff the business
The whole point of that scene was that even a room of psychotic killers was disgusted by the idea of not tipping.
It’s amazing how many people saw it and said, “You know, the crazy-eyed murderer makes a good point.”
A person who does something wrong can still be right about other things. Tipping is an idiotic system.
All the hospo staff I know are incredibly generous people
I want to share my perspective on this as someone who works for tips.
I don’t like tips in theory, but I’d be below the poverty line without tips so I really appreciate them. I also enjoy that they act as a mechanism to adjust my wage to the work I’m actually doing; I produce much more value as an employee on a busy day than when it’s dead, and without tips I’d make the same amount despite working much more.
I think realistically, unless we also massively adjust how the labour economy works, eliminating tipping would make profits higher for owners and make service industry workers poorer.
Like I’d gladly trade my tips for universal basic income, I would not trade my tips for poverty wages.
I produce much more value as an employee on a busy day than when it’s dead, and without tips I’d make the same amount despite working much more.
You’re not selling your work, you’re selling your time. If you’re at the restaurant on a slow day, you’re not seeing your friends and family and you’re not using your time however you want to. If you’re spending the exact same amount of time at the restaurant on a slow day as on a busy day, you should take home the exact same amount of money and I’m having a hard time understanding why you would argue your employer’s case of paying you less under any circumstances. I think it’s a question of self-respect. Who gives a shit about “producing value” for someone else? You’re there, sacrificing your time, and that’s what you should get paid for. If your employer can’t efficiently use the time they employed you for, that’s their problem and never yours.
I’m not arguing for my employer to pay me less. I’m just saying I like the fact I make more money when I have to work more.
On a slow day, I’m basically chilling with my coworkers and my customers (both of who I do actually enjoy spending time with). On a busy day, I can be running around making food, drinks, cleaning, without even having a thought for myself or a second to relax and breathe for stretches of like 5 hours straight.
My wage before tips is fair to the amount of work I do if no one comes in. I would not be satisfied with my untipped wage on a day where we serve 80+ people an hour.
Obviously, I wouldn’t complain if we eliminated tips and made the minimum wage close to what I make with tips on a busy day. That’s not what I think would happen, though. Realistically, under the current economic system, most restaurants could not afford to pay their employees that much. Which is why I said in my original comment that we’d need some sort of change to the labour economy before I’d be willing to give up my tips (such as UBI).
My wage before tips is fair to the amount of work I do if no one comes in.
If that works for you, that’s great. I wouldn’t accept these conditions because, as I said, my time is sacrificed just the same, regardless of how busy it is. You’re not getting paid for the amount of food and drinks you prepare but for the time you spend at your employer’s disposal. But that’s why I don’t work a tipped job in the first place, I guess.
Wow what a massive adjustment to the labor economy that you give money to the workers what model on earth has something that advanced except every other nation almost on the planet that is not hyper capitalist class war pigs
I’d love for the place I work at to be an employee-owned co-op or something but those aren’t really a thing around here, and sadly I’m not rich enough to start a business and open one myself.
Also, could you please cut back on the snarkiness a bit? It doesn’t really make for pleasant conversation.
What I thought it was funny. It’s the best way to deliver humility blows to hyper capitalist zombies that don’t demand policy change with every fiber. If it’s so pointless to fight it, why stay in such a place? You are prisoners and it is wonderful to be a bit snarky when pointing that out. It’s because in your mouth is narratives that was just put there by the masters of your slave labour nation
The one good thing about tipping is that it goes 100% to the actual worker standing in front of you.
Alright peeps, who is going to break the news to this person?!
I mean, it’s kinda true.
Some places do tip sharing, but not most (though most have some sort of tipping out to the back of house staff,) and obviously you pay taxes on tips.
But I think the sentiment was that it’s not lining the pockets of the business owner, which is true.
the sentiment was that it’s not lining the pockets of the business owner, which is true.
You have a lot of trust in these owners for one… They steal from workers regularly
But even if assume they are not outright stealing.
I ain’t fucking tipping back of the house. Parasites turned tipping into full blown wahe subsidies for their shiti operations and I got a problem with that.
Hence I why I tip cash. Fuck the owner. It is not my obligation to pay for his staff while having zero input on how staffing is being done.
So, any tip that doesn’t go to the server is theft imho
I don’t understand why the normie is so willing to accept these clown schemes
Because servers are abused so heavily they have no options to resist. They don’t like the situation either but if people stop tipping then they are worried they will be poor.
Its like if you were imprisoned in my house, and I fed you home-cooked meals but put a somewhat tolerable amount of poison in each meal as well. If you complained about the poison, and I said well I guess you could just not eat at all, then you might say something like “well I don’t like poison necessarily but I do need it to survive right now.”
I wouldnt call you pro-poison if you said that though, just like I don’t think most of these tipped workers support the structure of tipping.
I am talking about the customer here why are they so willing to accept tip sharing as in response to comment above
Peer pressure. It feels to most people that choosing not to tip is itself an action, and they are worried other people will judge them for it. Same reason people return carts at the grocery store, for the most part.
You could make just as good a case that it’s the other way around.
A salaried employee makes the same amount of money whether they please people or not. Since pleasing people does not earn them extra income, they often won’t do it, and often their jobs even specifically require being an asshole (managers, supervisors, etc.) at least some of the time.
Someone who works for tips on the other hand can increase their pay quite a bit by pleasing people. And many professional assholes will actually tip quite well for good service, because being around other professional assholes all day can be quite tiring, and being generous for a change is a good way to unwind from that.
Okay, but good service means interrupting my family as little as possible and bringing food out in a decent time frame. People power tripping with their tip percentage, like oh this server didnt grovel enough so they get 10%. Its stupid and petty and causes stress and anxiety for both parties which is bullshit.
JUST TELL ME HOW MUCH TO PAY/TIP SO MY FUCKING SERVER CAN AFFORD A LIVING WAGE. STOP TREATING PEOPLES LIVELIHOODS AS A CARNIVAL GAME.
First of all, it’s usually not in their control how fast the food comes out, that’s up to the kitchen staff. Second, it’s not your business whether they make a living wage. I’ve been friends with many people working in the industry, and I even dated one for a while, and I came to the conclusion that there’s a certain type of personality who is cut out for the job, and they tend to do quite well for themselves (often raking in several hundreds of dollars in tips PER DAY).
As for those who aren’t, it’s better for them to fail fast so they can move on to something else that they’re better at, instead of continuing to work a job they hate just because it pays the bills. It’s the same with salespeople, who also usually make a meager salary (sometimes none at all) and only get paid on commission when they make a sale. Some people thrive on this sort of challenge, others don’t. Sure, my girlfriend would still complain when she went above and beyond for a table and still ended up without a tip for reasons entirely out of her control, but it didn’t happen all that often.
Of course, all the servers who are barely making enough to get by just aren’t good enough at their jobs. Got it.
A lot of people wait tables just for temporary income while they’re pursing other career paths (such as college, acting, writing, etc.), in which case, making just enough to get by isn’t a huge issue, and it can even motivate you to work harder on your actual goal.
Most servers I’ve met who where doing it full-time actually seemed to genuinely enjoy their job and were very good at it, and rarely complained about not making enough. Sure, they’d get stiffed on tips every now and then just like everyone else, but they had a surprisingly high amount of positive stories about very generous tippers that more than made up for the difference.
But like I said, there’s a certain type of personality they all had in common: they were generally above average in attractiveness, loved dressing up, and genuinely enjoyed pleasing people, making smalltalk, etc. People like that seem to do quite well for themselves, and they usually have no problem getting promoted, or finding a job at a more prestigious restaurant (where the tips are usually much better).
All of that can still be true without depending on tips. Those successful servers you mention would be successful in either system.
Not really, because in countries where servers are paid a “living wage” by default, people will generally tip much less (usually in the single digits if anything), and therefore there’s no incentive for a anyone to go above and beyond to provide good service, because you get paid more or less the same either way.
Go to Europe sometime and see for yourself. Waiters there are often indifferent at best and sometimes even outright hostile. But there’s not much restaurants can do about it because employees are difficult to fire, and the lack of earning potential from tips makes standing around and doing nothing just as profitable as working extra hard.
Right, because noone would take pride in their work without money as an incentive. My bad, didnt realize. So what’s the difference between a sales person on commission and a server on tips? Both are trying to exploit someone to take their money are they not? Exceptional service is being prompt and then leaving my family the fuck alone to eat, its not rocket science.
In the US, servers and restaurant staff tip like 100% of the time they go out because they know how important it is with our current pay laws, and they know that the waiter expecting that tip isn’t the one making the laws or who deserves to be punished for them. So that tip is almost always going to someone else who also tips.
Btw, don’t bother arguing with me that tipping is wrong so we shouldn’t do it. I agree that it’s wrong, but abstaining punishes the wrong people (servers, not owners or policymakers). So instead of writing a comment, write a letter to you local govt to eliminate sub-minimum wages for tipped workers, and keep tipping poor waiters and drivers til they change something.
All the things I’ve read say that a majority of tipped workers (as well as the general population) prefer the current tips system. Maybe it’s not true, but looking at the comments here it seems accurate.
They don’t want to bite the hand that feeds them, literally. Its an expected response. Those that don’t depend on tipping or who can look at a bigger picture are able to be less biased in most cases.
Let’s be clear, paying someone 2$ an hour is never okay, tipping or not.
Former tipped employee here. This is probably correct, but I don’t care. The majority is often wrong. They can be educated. Change is scary, and the people who benefit from the status quo demonize changes that will give them less power.
I would probably have made less money if paid a salary, but it would be worth it to not have to balance priorities between getting a good tip and following restaurant policies.
to not have to balance priorities between getting a good tip and following restaurant policies.
Can you explain more? Like, why is it an either-or-situation?
People often want things that are against policy. Just as the first example that comes to mind, think about a bartender giving a regular patron a long pour or a free drink. That’s good for tips, but bad for the restaurant. That’s not always the case, but a good waiter can usually bend or break the rules to keep a guest happy.
I work at the most expensive restaurant in my town, FOH workers are paid $2.13 (regardless of tips) and servers have to tip out 30% to assistants and bar. If everybody stopped tipping one day then some of them will literally not even have the money to buy gas to go home.
Usually if you make under the federal minimum wage they’ll bump you up to minimum wage for the shift. I know my restaurant does. But yeah thats still nothing
Our job does not apparently, asked my sous chef about it when I learned and he doesn’t understand if it’s legal or what
Its illegal, they legally need to compensate you the difference if your tipped wages is under the federal minimum wage.
Cool, now the underpaid staff has to find counsel to go sue their employer. Guess it worked out in the end.
Yes, and then the restaurant would close because noone can work there. They might have to consider paying a decent wage.
Y’all act like there aren’t restaurants that already pay a standard wage. Stop supporting your oppressors, its a shitty look.
An expensive restaurant pays $2/hr and we think people tipping/not tipping is the problem?!
Not gonna stop doing it though. In fact, my brain is broken in such a way that. If I see someone else not tipping, then I have to tip even more to make up the difference.
the ignorance of calling this “people pleasing” behavior is crazy to me. Its not people pleasing to want somebody to have food on there table at night, or to pay their bills. its the awareness that its a fucked system and that were doing our part to support people. the amount of privilege in this tweet is jaw dropping.
its the equivalent of supporting women’s rights and calling it “people pleasing” behavior. get fucked dude
well yeah, that’s why donations don’t work either, somehow. consider:
if you’re the person always donating to charity, and nobody else does, you’re essentially providing the community service that should be provided by the community taxes. instead, you pay it all yourself. that’s why taxes have to be enforced by the community: the first one to donate suffers a disadvantage, but if a general rule says everybody must pay taxes/donate at the same time, nobody loses.
But what if I’m Self-Made™? I earned that money and definitely didn’t use anything that taxes paid for, and if I did I’d be happy to pay for it but only it and also I’m sure that wouldn’t cause a paperwork nightmare as everyone tries to be way to specific about what they’re paying for and what they aren’t.
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Tip your waitstaff. Don’t be a pos.
I still struggle with tipping on to go orders. I usually keep that at around 10% but sometimes I feel like even that much shouldn’t be warranted.
It doesn’t even make sense to do it then, but sometimes I cave to the pressure.
I do 15%. I’m hoping the kitchen staff sees some of it.
And this is why when people call for to-go orders after I’ve started doing clean-up (usually 8 or 9), I won’t take their order and tell them kitchen is closed for to-go. If they come in to order that’s fine, and most nights I’ll do it basically up until I close down, because they are more likely to tip for it, and re-cleaning isn’t that hard. The owner of the place told me it’s entirely my call on that, and she won’t re-open the kitchen for to-go either because people usually don’t tip for it.
I cook everything myself as well as being the only bartender, and our food is fairly inexpensive, so it doesn’t end up costing all that much and 10% is basically nothing, assuming they even leave that. I’m not doing that shit for no reason. Fuck all that noise.
So do be conscious of what sort of place it is before you apply that rule. If it’s somewhere with a full kitchen and kitchen staff that gets paid decently, sure. Little bar and grill with at most 2 people working and making not that much? Ehhhh…
Yeah, cause we should all do this calculus to determine tipping. The point is that tipping shouldnt exist. I understand thats a scary thought to those that survive on tips though.
Dunning Kreuger effect - the foundation of meme culture. Apparently somebody just finished Econ 101. Congrats!
