• thrawn
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    It’s pretty depressing, but the fact that soil and groundwater are almost certainly contaminated anywhere that humans have touched. I’ve seen all kinds of places from gas stations, to dry cleaners, to mines, to fire stations, to military bases, to schools, to hydroelectric plants, the list could go on, and every last one of them had poison in the ground.

    • Nix
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      402 years ago

      What are they poisoned with and how does it happen?

      • @[email protected]
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        Heavy metals and PCBs are most common in my area, various VOCs aren’t far behind. Prior to the EPA and associated legislation companies would commonly use waste process waters for dust control, dump wastes in to pits or on the ground, spills would be left to soak away, and general processes were dirtier and uncontrolled.

        One terrible example from western NY that bugs me even more than Love Canal is the involvement with the Manhattan Project. Local steel workers rolled Uranium and they were never told what is was, given any protections, or cared for when the inevitable happened. Radioactive waste was later used as fill for residential and commercial properties in the area. These Hotspot still exist and it is a slow process to get any cleanup done.

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        Varies depending on the site, sometimes it’s gasoline, or solvents, or heavy metals or PFAS. As for how it happens, accidental or deliberate releases. I’ve found military documents from the 50s that say the official place to dispose of used motor oil was a pit they’d dug in the ground.

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          Yep, the regulation is now a 5ft cubed hole dug around the soil in any spill. It’s resulted in folks being more careful but also hiding where things are spilled. I’ve not once seen a hole dug. Corporations are roughly similar. Small organizations don’t care at all.

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      I work in air quality and it’s a similar story. It’s crazy to me seeing how much is unregulated, grandfathered in, or simply not enforced.

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      Some places are insanely polluted to the point where you wonder how a whole company could be so braindead and essentially poison themselves.
      A place not far from where I live had a chemical plant which just dumped loads of chemicals on a meadow for years. Now there are ground water pumps installed there which need to run 24/7 so that the chemicals don’t contaminate nearby rivers and hence the rest of the country.
      When taking samples from the pumped up water you can smell gasoline.

      • @[email protected]
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        A place not far from where I live had a chemical plant which just dumped loads of chemicals on a meadow for years.

        Sounds cheap.

      • Flax
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        The largest lake in the UK by area got massively polluted and turned into a swamp of toxic green algae. It’s crazy how people just let stuff like that happen.

      • tool
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        Some places are insanely polluted to the point where you wonder how a whole company could be so braindead and essentially poison themselves.

        “That’s the future guy’s problem, my problem is making money.”

        No need to wonder. That’s how.

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        We’re house shopping and there has been a house on a lake sitting on the market forever. I got curious and researched the lake and… It’s a literal superfund site. The company that was on the other side of the lake just dumped their waste chemicals right on the shore and it has polluted both the lake and ground water forever essentially because they don’t break down. I looked up the previous owner… Died of cancer. The shit that companies are and were allowed to get away with is just insane. Meanwhile right wing nut jobs want to get rid of the EPA (which was ironically created by Richard Nixon).

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      It’s just as depressing when something counts as “clean”. My saddest example was a former sand pit, they spent 30 years digging out 15 meters of sand, then another 30 years filling it with anything from industrial to veterinary waste, “capped” it with rubble in the late 40s and called it clean enough.

      Had a bigass job digging out the top 3 meters of random waste, including several thousand of barrels of whatever the fuck. And definitely no unexploded ordnance (spoiler, after finding several ww2 rifle stocks and helmets, the first mortarshells were dug up too). After makimg room, it was covered in sand, clay, bentonite and a protective grid.

      So naturally, 3 months after that finished, some cockhead decided to throw an anchor and hit go all ahead flank on his assholes boat and tore the whole thing up. No need to fix anything though, just shovel some more sand it, that’ll stop the anthrax!

      This was all in open connection with a major river, of course. One people swim in.

  • KᑌᔕᕼIᗩ
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    282 years ago

    The potato and gravy at KFC uses whatever crud fell to the bottom of the friers each day. Usually that was good chicken bits, but sometimes it could be whatever the staff were playing catch with for fun.

    Oh and be nice to the people making your food. Trust me on that one.

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    i dont think it was a secret for anything

    but i once went to a job interview at a phone support line for an ISP in my country

    it turned out to be … a sales department. basically that’s what they called it. all support calls had to eventually lead into selling something.

    that just seems so idiotic i couldn’t deal with it

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    The first steel mill I worked for, the test requirements were more of a suggestion than a rigid specification. I, a trained and skilled engineer with the capacity to make informed decisions, had to run all rejections by my boss who would tell me “it’s close enough” even if it wasn’t. Sometimes it bit us in the ass with warranty failures, but the warranties were probably cheaper than internal rejections (and what is brand perception worth?).

    My second steel mill job, I was the one making the rejection decisions. I did the hard thing and rejected our failures but I also troubleshot them to prevent recurrence, making our product and capability better over time.

    It very much matters who you buy your steel from; two mills can have vastly different performance for the same products based on how they handle these situations.

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    952 years ago

    I worked at an ISP. The DHCP server we use for our DSL offering was made in the 90s and hasn’t been updated since.

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      252 years ago

      Frankly, I don’t see this a a problem as long as the software is up to date and the hardware is sound. I bet there are thousands of SPARC servers out there processing data 24/7 since 1995.

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        112 years ago

        Might want to get on updating it soon for IPV6 though

          • @[email protected]
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            The alternative to IPv6 is CGNAT.

            CGNAT is really annoying for users, since the entire ISP looks like a single IP address. This can lead to situations where the entire ISP accidentally gets classified as a bot or otherwise blocked. It’s not too hard to find these kinds of stories from StarLink customers.

            We are at the point where we are are legitimately out of IPv4 addresses. Household NAT isn’t enough and CGNAT has too many problems. IPv6 code was written ages ago and is very stable in all OSs these days.

            It really is just these legacy middle boxes holding us back.

            • @[email protected]
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              This guy knows. CGNAT is incredible sucky and we are definitely out of ipv4. Why not everyone is hopping on IPv6 I don’t know. I’m thinking people are afraid of the formatting but that’s just dumb.

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                I’ve tried running my house on ipv6 only before, but you run into A LOT of issues, even with major services. Example: sometimes my devices would fail when trying to connect to Netflix. Netflix.com issues round-robin DNS. One (1) of the possible endpoints turned out to be unreachable from me over IPv6 because of return path MTU shenanigans I had zero control over.

    • Flax
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      17 months ago

      If it works and is secure, what’s the problem

    • @[email protected]
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      132 years ago

      I’ve worked for a few of the larger ISPs in the US. They all have their own special weird shit like a windows NT machine shoved in a corner in a CO in west Texas that you have to remote desktop into and run some java applet from the 90 to log into a hardwired machine from the 70s just to set up a voicemail box for a phone line. Ain’t broke don’t fix it leads to some wild setups at companies you wouldn’t expect it from.

      • Flax
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        17 months ago

        I’d actually rather this than making new software with all kinds of bugs

  • @[email protected]
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    282 years ago

    Instagram allows employees to check on the accounts of the users and share that to other people. I didn’t work there, but an employee told my girlfriend who I talked to before we were exclusive. I think that’s total bullshit

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    Snake Farm, when asked how to sell a policy that’s clearly more expensive than the competition’s answer was “They should feel privilege to be a Snake Farm customer.”

    The hubris was baffling.

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    Worked support for an electricity supplier. I was able to see a frightening amount of info about the customers. Even past ones who had moved elsewhere.

    We also kept notes about each call, email, web or app chat. So if you were an asshole in the past, everyone will know going forward.

    Also fuck landlords and landladies etc. More often than not, they were shitty to deal with.

    Also we would often use Google Maps and Streetview to see what your house looked like. We also had pictures of the inside because the installation techs took pictures to confirm that works were completed as specified.

    Alll of this was available to us for any reason, at any time with no oversight. And none of it was encrypted. There was also government websites in use up to 2020 that required internet explorer to use and had passwords as trivial as ‘Password1’.

    I left that job because the pay was lousy and the stress was pretty full on. I respected a lot of people that worked there. Both higher ups and people who came after me. But fuck was there a lot of potential for bad actors or like stalkers etc to mess with your info.

    I would reccomend to everyone. Please use password managers. Especially decent open source ones like Bitwarden. Take note of every piece of info that you give a company. From your phone number, address, email etc to even when you contacted them. Also try to not have your home look like an abandoned hovel on Streetview lol. Easier said than done I know. But it may affect your dealings with support people that you need help from. And lastly, please dont use Password1 as a login. Ever. Like please.

  • @[email protected]
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    992 years ago

    Worked at a newspaper for a few years.

    With very few exceptions, they do not give a fuck about you or the news. The advertisers are their customers and your attention is their product.

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    Just remembered another one:

    Have you ever had an anonymous survey sent to you by your work or by a company your work has hired? They’re not anonymous. Management knows what your opinions are and will use them against you.

    I worked for a consultant that would try and help fix businesses. The worst example I can think of was when I saw one person had answered a survey question saying that their employer had a “blame culture”. Rather than trying to work on the processes or address why something had gone wrong, staff would start pointing fingers to keep out of trouble. This didn’t fix anything and only made people spend all the time covering their posteriors.

    The manager called a general meeting of everyone at that site and then singled out the employee who’d mentioned the blame culture, blaming him for saying there was a blame culture. The employee then pointed out that they’d been told, in writing, that the survey was anonymous. That employee called the manager a liar and then she lost control of the meeting, with lots of employees calling her a liar and several storming out. They weren’t in business the next year.

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    The programming team that is working hard on your project is just one dude and he smells funny. The programming team you’ve met in your introductory meeting are just the two unpaid interns that will be fired or will quit within the next two months and don’t know what’s happening. We don’t do agile despite advertising it. Also your project being a priority means it’ll be slapped together from start to finish 24 hours prior to the deadline. Oh and there will be extra charges to fix anything that doesn’t work as it should.

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      A lot of outsourcers do this. Here’s my experience with a few companies.

      • The “team” you meet are competent, English speaking fronts. They are the demo models of the people who will work on your projects.
      • After the contract is signed, these people are swapped out with randos of varying competence.
      • In some cases, some of these randos are further hidden behind aliases: people with names that are actually more than one person sharing logins and passwords.
      • They will string you along, trying to charge maximum hours worked without regards to product or services delivered.
      • Most of these companies have a “bucket of crabs” mentality: the managers are horrible, the staff incompetent, and once the gain some skill, they leave for better companies. They backstab one another, hijack projects to fuck over coworkers, and lie and cover their tracks. Some of this is cultural, like a caste system, while some are just racist.

      At one time, these people were pretty good, but they realized they had skills and left for other countries for better pay and better working conditions. The bids got more and more competitive, cutting costs until they were literally filled with low-skilled labor who can’t be promoted or leave for economic or competence reasons.

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        Now that I read this, I’m kinda glad that our company doesn’t do anything like that. But it’s just a small indie team porting games to consoles, so I guess what you’re mentioning is the bigger corp problem.

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      In my company we have a very modern agile workflow where QA is top priority.

      At least that what we advertise. In reality it’s all an unorganized clusterfuck where I’m pretty sure I am the only one who bothers to write automated tests. Who’s got time to write tests bro just push that shit out ASAP we’ll deal with it when the client calls us in the middle of the night to complain about previously-working shit being broken now.

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        I’ve worked for one company that actually did it right (complete with pair programming, even). It was pretty nice.

        Too bad we were apparently the “experimental?” team and the only one in the whole company doing it that way.

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          I worked for a company like that. Wall Street shits bought us up and sold everything that wasn’t bolted down.

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            Ironically, that was the one time I was working for a large, publicly-traded company (a big-box retailer, no less – not even one of the halfway-respectable Fortune 500s!).

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      I think we work in the same company, the dude does not smell funny to me but maybe that’s just me.

    • @[email protected]
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      Programming teams I’ve worked with are a joke.

      Company A: We got hacked and the lead dev argued for days it wasn’t a hack. Malware was actively being served to customers during this time period because she refused to deal with it and there was no security team.

      Company B: programming team was the IT guys nephew and some random UI designer who hadn’t finished college and was never able to be employed after finishing college…

      Company C: We interviewed a candidate who was way over qualified and would make our life so easy because he was eager and hungry. Instead we hired a bootcamper who had never heard of docker (half our infra is docker), react, or anything other than vanilla JavaScript. She failed our practical but still got hired because the hiring manager wanted and assistant. She has become a glorified project manager, but still has the title software engineer.

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      When you have a great programmer working on your project he will be cycled to a new project in 2-3 months. Your new senior developer who silently takes over the project is part time because he’s working on finishing his education.

      No one knows how anything works, except that one guy, who left the company half a year ago. That’s how all software development is.

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        Throw in a mysterious comment that says “Don’t change anything below this line or everything breaks” and it’s complete.

        “We don’t know why this works, but it does, don’t touch it.” would also be acceptable.

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          “The server mangles the authentication token after receiving it for reasons we don’t really understand, so this function just checks to see that it’s set in the request, but nothing actually cares if it’s valid. DO NOT RETURN USER ACCOUNT DATA HERE AND YES THAT MEANS YOU MARCUS”

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        Think waterfall. But like. No design and no testing.

        Not contracting, just another small shop that offers “complete” solutions from a to z kinda situation.

        The only competent person in that org would be, oddly enough, the ceo. Everybody else just feel like they show up to be marked present on an attendance sheet in terms of being useful.