I think it has become more than apparent that our federation with Hexbear has degraded the quality of browsing on this instance. I’m generally for open federation, but the amount of brigading and general toxicity is not conducive to the friendly communications that make Lemmy great.
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Keep em coming, let it serve as a monument to the 4Chan like behavior of hexbear.
This person definitely knows what 4chan geta up to
To them, mild disagreement from a few people is equivalent to doxxing, years-long harassment campaigns, and mass shootings.
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Give people the ability to block instances at an account level and federate with everyone
Agreed. Thats where Im at. I do think something has to be done in the meantime however.
I’m for defederation at least until instance blocking is available. I’ve already blocked most of their communities from my feed, but comments have been really unpleasant since they federated.
It’s not really about the ideology as much as not wanting to have to scroll past endless political bickering. Rage addiction is real and contagious.
Literally never seen a post from this instance, or a user until now, bubye
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I think it is worth noting, at least as far as political Compass theory is concerned, that the top and bottom left ends of the spectrum are just as polarized as the right and left end. I personally dont believe communism and authoritarianism is mutually exclusive. Im a libertarian communist. Read as Small government communism.
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Political compass theory is crap
You can block any instance you like. Super easy to do so. Just click block instance and it’s like you didn’t even need to post this!
No, you can block any community. That does not block every sub community, and it still displays the instances user comments across other communities.
I think only a couple of apps have instance blocking until of is added protocol side by the Lemmy Devs.
You can block instances too. That’s why I said block instances. Are you having a hard time reading?
Like I said, it is app dependant. which are you using?
Connect
I use Connect too; it’s great. But you should know that “block instance” is unique to Connect, and not Lemmy-wide feature.
Nice and abrasive, you’d make a classic hexbear.
I am my own hexbear. The hexbear is inside of us all.
You should probably stop to consider the function you are talking about is specific to the app you are using, that is not a feature that lemmy overall supports currently, unfortunately. So if you’re going to berate others for not understanding the services that let me offers, you might want to brush up first instead of looking like an asshole.
Maybe we shouldn’t defederate because a user has an app preference and a feature preference that don’t match up?
If an app doesn’t have a feature you like, try an app that has a feature you like. There’s lots to choose from. In fact, there’s the web interface itself, and the ability to write your own scripts, too.
Every fucking thread on the front page is about communism. Don’t you guys have anything else to talk about?
Yes, they love to talk about how their governments failing are the fault of everyone else, and if you have anything even slightly judgemental to say about their bullshit they scream at you about propaganda and how skinny/limp their dicks are (idk about the last part, I zoned out last time I saw one of them having a fit).
Yes, they love to talk about how their governments failing are the fault of everyone else
Alright, here’s a fun experiment we should try: you know what America did to North Korea? Let’s allow, say, China, do the same thing to America. That includes:
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Destroy almost literally every single building in the country, including factories, hospitals, and schools.
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Kill 15-20% of the entire American population.
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Destroying all the irrigation dams and other structures so that farming is made incredibly difficult.
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Bombard the country with so many bombs that the people are forced to live underground and only farm at night.
I think this will be a fair experiment to see if American capitalism can compare with socialism when the rubber meets the road.
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Yes, they love to talk about how their governments failing are the fault of everyone else,
Yes, I am american how did you know
The username for starters, not many edgelords trying to put other countries politicians in their usernames.
Like honestly we have spaces for mental health, tech, movies, news, chat, veganism, and COVID. Also we host movie nights which are pretty rad.
I really have nothing against people with more normie interests like football, TV, Marvel, etc. It’s just not super popular at our end.
I like these threads because they’re almost exclusively filled with people trying their best to prove the OP right.
I wouldn’t know coming from a sub that deferated them. So peaceful.
hexchan
I compared them to 4chan and got so many russeled jimmies… It’s so weird how the extreme toxic incels on either extreme side of the political spectrum are basically the same ethos.
That’s because it’s not a line, it’s a circle. Go off one side, come back on the other.
Hexchan and onekun? 🥺
Hexchan 🤝 Leftypol
Just kidding they brigade us or wait do we brigade them?!?!
I reported a hexbear harasser to a hexbear mod… thought I was reporting it here but they are hitting me in multiple threads so I lost track of which one I reported to.
Then the mod harassed me in DMs. Sounds about right.
Then they posted to main hexbear my report and name so Im Lilley going to be harassed more.
Im a pretty patient dude, but Im going to have to delete my account if we don’t do something soon @[email protected]
-_- I thought this was done and over with yesterday?
I’m happy hexbear is here. It’s about dam time we finally have people here who can unapologetically call you out on your fucking bullshit and get in your face about your dumbass nonsense.
It’s awesome and vindicating seeing you guys cry and bitch about having to experience someone with a different opinion then yours and who doesn’t agree with you.
Be appreciative that this experience is only on your pro censorship fediverse server.
You guys can’t handle People like the folks from hexbear in real life.
Fucking refreshing.
Deranged comment
Jonah, I just point this comment to you. Perhaps you disagree, but this isnt a healthy discourse. I know they arent hexbear, but they do speak to what they bring to the table.
It’s awesome and vindicating seeing you guys cry and bitch about having to experience someone with a different opinion then yours and who doesn’t agree with you.
This exact sentence, where you’re a gloating asshole who actively gets off to frustrating people who might just be misinformed, is exactly why nobody likes hexbear users.
It’s not about receiving honest feedback or different opinions. It’s not even about censorship.
It’s about blocking people who make comments like yours. It’s not that we can’t handle it, it’s just that there still are quite a few people who don’t like to turn every conversation into a dick-swinging contest. You are more of a general annoyance than anything else.
Obviously you are happy about being a jackass. Totally cool! I ignore people like you everyday since they usually have nothing of value to contribute anyway. All talk, no substance.
Just look at your account. You thrive on that particular persona. It’s weird to me, but that is OK!
I don’t get it. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a post from hexbear, only posts about defederating them. What’s different about my experience that stops me seeing their posts without any action on my part?
Your instance (lemmy.world) has already defederated from them, so you cannot see anything from them. The instance this post is on, lemmy.one, is federated and their users can see posts and comments from them.
i understand that our level of activity tends to overwhelm smaller instances, but what others call “brigading” is literally just us clicking on what’s on the front page.
This is not true. Brigading is when there’s a post on Hexbear that links back to a specific post or comment on another instance, and Hexbears follow that posted link to interact. This happens all the time, I’m looking at Hexbears front page right now and there’s several links back to sh.itjust.works.
You’re on a link aggregator platform and you are annoyed because people are aggregating links?
Linking internally is definitely not the point, and I’m not annoyed, just pointing out that you can watch the brigading happen in realtime, so claiming that brigading isn’t happening is gaslighting.
This isn’t reddit, linking between instances is how this platform works. There are users who might only be federated with the instance where a link is posted and not the instance where the original post is.
And some of those links actively encouraging hexbear users to brigade.
That is a lie you want other people to believe. But your main activity back in your safespace is pointing out threads and posts marked for brigading (or “dunking” as you call it).
:)
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You cut our the part where the commenter equated libertarianism to pedophilia, which as I said, was exemplary of hexbear behavior.
https://hexbear.net/comment/3885422
Here is another where I was called a Nazi despite my left leaning nature. This isnt a political request. Lemmy.ml is quite pleasant.
Hexbear is just behaving in a toxic manner.
https://lemmy.one/comment/2652503
You seem to just ignore that these reasonable and measured statements were a response to harassment, of which Ive gotten plenty from hexbear.
Your Image cuts out the interplay of “you all harass me”, proceeded by harassment, and then “this is what Im talking about”
Where’s the lie?
You had a bad experience on hexbear because noone wants to discuss your ‘libertarian progressive brand of communism’, so now your entire instance needs to defederate?
Your image cuts out the interplay of “you all harass me”
that was your first comment on that post, you’re jumping the shark
What do you mean by where’s the lie? That libertarianism is pedophilia?
Elaborate if I misread
I’ve yet to meet a self ascribed libertarian that didn’t have some weird ideas about the age of consent.
Anyway, you were posting in a hexbear comm, stop trying to make others do the work for you and just chill maybe.
Thats what Im taking about. You arent helping your point. And you are now in my community, so if we are in agreement, then you can stop commenting here while we engage in healthy. discourse.
This has nothing do with politics. As your image helpfully shows, Im a libertarian communist. Our ideals are quite close.
But, as I posted, hexbear behavior is unbecoming and unwelcoming. That’s why hexbear should be defederated, as that is the culture there most unfortunately.
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He forgot to add that its ephebophilia
Don’t people of a Chomsky-type bent sometimes self-describe as libertarian? It’s less common in the US because of how libertarians here are usually right-wingers but the libertarians=pedophiles trope is less common abroad is my understanding. I usually peg them as more anarchist types, which usually are welcome in hexbear.
Not super into this one wanting to defend NATO but I think they have a point about the pedo stuff.
Libertarian originally referred to an anarchist-like movement before getting coopted by Rand types
Thank you BTW, but do you not think this level of vitriol from the other user is not justified. I did not say anything remotely worth that immediate harassment.
Thats kind of the point of this post. Hexbear has rightly become maligned because this is how every single conversation goes.
If I, a politically friendly person is met with that much hostility, then how do you expect hexbear to behave across Lemmy as a whole?
vitriol
Reddit liberals really like this word for some reason.
I think a pretty strong reaction IS warranted against defense of NATO, personally I think it’s a very bad take but I’m trying to stick up for you here. I think it would be better to focus the vitriol against that disagreement than going after your label.
If it’s any help I’m not sure how much awareness you have of the recent controversy that’s been roiling with the folks at SJW but there have been a lot of people recently defending the specific position you are but also engaging in a pretty hostile way, especially in regards to the use of ableist/transphobic rhetoric that we do not tolerate. Nerves are a bit frayed on Hexbear writ large. I think a lot of Hexbears are reacting to hostility with carpet bombing rather than precision as a result.
Hell, until this weekend I was basically just a lurker, the recent stuff brought me out of the woodwork. I can’t tell you what to do, but I think if you give Hexbear some time things will mellow out, things are just tense at the moment. I wouldn’t say you should ever expect them to like you being pro-NATO but I think you’re likely to get more constructive engagement generally the further out from this weekend we get.
Just my two cents.
Chomsky palled around with Epstein so that’s a very funny example.
I know, I thought about bringing it up but I didn’t think it would help make my point. I think the larger point (that self-described libertarians aren’t all obsessed with age of consent the way that American ones are) is still valid, but it is very unfortunate that the poster example of what I’m trying to describe had Epstein as an accountant.
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You cut our the part where the commenter equated libertarianism to pedophilia, which as I said, was exemplary of hexbear behavior.
Are you a libertarian? What do you think about age of consent laws?
-crickets-
Why on Earth would I dignify that comment?
It’s a pretty common joke for libright people
Ill just leave my link attached. I think it speaks for itself, and the degradation in the quality of Lemmy as a whole.
Not to be dramatic, because I quite like lemmy.one, but I’m going to have to swap to an instance that has defederated until we are given instance wide blocking. Ill return once its implemented though if we don’t otherwise defederate first.
Just delete your account that’ll solve it
I stand by Lemmy.ones belief in allowing conflicting values. Thats why im here. Hexbear can be as communist as it wants. I too an a communist.
What is not OK is the toxicity of hexbear. It degrades the experience.
The problem is that hexbear is actually alt-right concern trolls. Nobody there is actually lgbt, it’s just a handle they use so they know who to target with their harassment.
A whole bunch of nazis who love that neo-communist trump.
The current strain of libertarianism in the “west” does seem to have an issue at some point when it comes to this topic.
At least with the political compass, libertarianism is simply the southern two quadrants.
Not that it has anything to do with this comment, just wanted to clarify that the notion of “western libertarians” is likely a misunderstanding.
please reconsider deriving your politics from reactionary memes
alternatively: new site tag holy fuck
Its a descriptive tool. As such, its is both as meaningful and arbitrary. As all other made up words and concepts.
I think the important part is that it helped explain my ideology in less words than a drawn out online screed
it’s a terrible tool, and it’s no wonder you were lumped in with
hebepaedophiles if you think it’s a useful metric.Your “ideology” doesn’t exist. That’s why it can only be explained by something as meaningless as the political compass
It’s not though man…
It fundamentally breaks when ideologies which agree on issues are shown as diverging when others don’t. If you’re really a communist you should understand this as idealist nonsense which can’t actually reflect the complexities of political thought. “Libertarian” thought is also that which supports indentured servitude. Do “libertarian socialists” agree with that? No I sure hope not.
This is a fundamental breakdown of that depiction of politics and the fact that you still reference it as a “useful tool” betrays the incoherence of your politics.
Libertarians tend to be obsessed with lowering the age of consent lol. You sound confused.
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