I said what I said
Also I’m high
Queer coded bad guy, speaking of sports and society enforcing gender norms
Not even “coded” really, overtly homophobic I would say
People forget the whole “sportsball” meme came about in the first place because before the widespread adoption of nerd culture in the 2010s sports was inescapable and forced on everyone. It’s hilarious that sports fans act like victims when they get any light mocking or pushback to their total cultural hegemony and imposition on everyone else. If you were a man and didn’t like sports you were mocked as gay (which was seen as socially damaging).
Let people not enjoy things
deleted by creator
Nah it slaps and makes sportoids mad
Normalcy is a helluva drug.
This comic is so cringe it feels like a strawman
But what if I enjoy being a hater?
Then people should let you enjoy that
That’s when you activate an Uno Reverse card.
https://youtu.be/pQtSdsR1-H8?si=Ut-6O_eyDci1N1jS - “Wealthy people profiting off the physical misery of mostly minorities - what could be more all-American than that?”
on the other hand sportsball is also used to criticise non evil sports like basketball, soccer etc
soccer
fifa uses fucking human trafficking to build stadiums, all of the sexual assault stories, refusing to pay women fairly.
basketball
college basketball still steals MILLIONS from mostly poor black teens and young adults. your face can be sold on a shirt that makes millions and you make no money and you probably never will. there is also a culture of player abuse around basketball. and you still have a sport that reduces people to their bodies and if those bodies have opinions they are told to shut up and play. and they still also refuse to pay women and stop assaulting them. stadiums still take millions of taxpayer dollars.
i dont care about your local adult sports team or a pick up game, but sports under capitalism is destructive to the bodies, minds and lives of millions of black and brown children. nothing is as bad as football and boxing but these companies are no less “evil”
You’re talking about the capitalist implementation of leagues and commodification of the sports.
Might as well call movies and books evil because of what studios and publishers have done, get tax breaks in many states, treat workers poorly, etc.
It’s capitalism, not sports inherently whether organized or not.
I also think if we want a proletarian movement, it’s better we don’t demonize sports
This is a dumb argument. The platonic ideal of a sports league does not exist, global-capitalist sports leagues exist plus whatever the DPRK has. No one is arguing against the platonic ideal, they are arguing against the existing institutions and the systemic problems that inform their nature.
Except maybe the high-contact non-comvat sports like American Football and Rugby, but certainly not basketball.
Were organized sports not a major cultural part of communist and socialist nations? Is there something inherently fascistic about “professional”, for lack of a better word, athletics and organized sporting leagues, as in the best in their class coming together to form teams and compete against each other for plaudits and the entertainment of spectators?
A lot of people are arguing against sports, or at least organized sports, in general here. Many in here are upset with the cultural assumptions put on them by conservative, patriarchal societies through sports and using this to attack sports in general and the people who enjoy them. The term “sportsball” is not an attack on the capitalist model of professional sports, it’s way to infantilize people who enjoy a specific form of entertainment.
Those are valid feelings and valid critiques, but I believe they are attacking symptoms and not the cause.
And I do still feel it is best we don’t fall out of touch with the working class, which generally is fond of sports.
the soviet union in some cases introduced sports leagues to areas
Sports struggle session on the menu, y’all!
You have depicted me as the “I’m very intelligent” guy. I concede.
. i dont respond with serious answers to extremely unserious comments. antagonize someone else or better yet actually read what I said before going into a treat fueled rage.No one is antagonizing or raging, but I’ll disengage.
this was weirdly aggro
I think they were serious, even if you or others think their comment was bad
this isnt even mentioning the effects of sports in colonized nations. We are reading Fanon over in the theory comm, come join us, this is a bit of what we read last week. heres some of Fanons (a casual soccer player himself) thoughts on sportsball.
But the youth commissioners in underdeveloped countries often make the mistake of imagining their role to be that of youth commissioners in fully developed countries. They speak of strengthening the soul, of developing the body, and of facilitating the growth of sportsmanlike qualities. It is our opinion that they should beware of these conceptions. The young people of an underdeveloped country are above all idle: occupations must be found for them. For this reason the youth commissioners ought for practical purposes to be attached to the Ministry of Labor. The Ministry of Labor, which is a prime necessity in an underdeveloped country, functions in collaboration with the Ministry of Planning, which is another necessary institution in underdeveloped countries. The youth of Africa ought not to be sent to sports stadiums but into the fields and into the schools. The stadium ought not to be a show place erected in the towns, but a bit of open ground in the midst of the fields that the young people must reclaim, cultivate, and give to the nation. The capitalist conception of sport is fundamentally different from that which should exist in an underdeveloped country. The African politician should not be preoccupied with turning out sportsmen, but with turning out fully conscious men, who play games as well. If games are not integrated into the national life, that is to say in the building of the nation, and if you turn out national sportsmen and not fully conscious men, you will very quickly see sport rotted by professionalism and commercialism. Sport should not be a pastime or a distraction for the bourgeoisie of the towns. The greatest task before us is
to understand at each moment what is happening in our country. We ought not to cultivate the exceptional or to seek for a hero, who is another form of leader. We ought to uplift the people; we must develop their brains, fill them with ideas, change them and make them into human beings.
yes this is a transparent attempt to get people more interested in fanon
yes this is a transparent attempt to get people more interested in fanon
What would you recommend as a good starting point with Fanon?
I’ve got very little knowledge about anti-colonial theory but I’ve been trying to educate myself.
honestly the BEST place to start is the wretched of the earth IMO, he lays out the path to decolonization and discusses the many potential pitfalls, but im not the Fanon expert hes written a lot. we are on 4 chapter now, but I will literally respond to every discussion comment as long as I am on this site and we can have a convo about any part of the work.
Thank you very much.
I’ll have a look for that later.
Where is this quote from?
chapter 3 page 137 The Wretched of the Earth. thanks for asking, i forgot.
basketball listed among non-evil sports
Common Kansas W
sportsball represents all sports, not just American football.
Also those are equally as evil
look I enjoyed kicking around a ball as a kid and I don’t think that was evil.
Nobody said that is. What is evil is the religion of sports in America, the cultural obsession that steamrolls public education and hollows them out, turning them into little football factories with class sizes of 50 where half of them are illiterate (whether that’s from all the money going to the coach instead of teachers, or all the concussions they are inflicting on the children). Every adult sports fanatic who spends money and goes to events and watches games contributes to this massive festering rot
in that case sportsball is not a good phrase as it doesn’t come accross like that at all. It comes off as obnoxiously dismissing something because you don’t like it
It’s certainly is dismissing it because I don’t like sports because I think people are overall too obsessed with them and it has a negative effect on society and they need to be constantly reality checked. Who the fuck cares about being obnoxious?
Your position is “Its ok to not like sports but shut the fuck up about it and keep it to yourself”
My position is “No. Sports fucking suck. I’ll keep saying it until it stops being a festering rot on society that far too many people take far too seriously”.
America’s sport religion is a social issue that needs addressing, I refuse to just shut up about it because you like it. A lot of people think anti-capitalists or vegans are annoying and tell them to shut the fuck up about it and keep it to themselves, but they don’t because it’s a social issue not a personal one. Americans are fucked. They are destroying their youth by turning their schools into prison/football factories and gutting all funding elsewhere. All the money goes to sports. It’s fucking evil.
Some of y’all never witnessed student athletes get preferential treatment from teachers and administrators while those same students bullied you and it shows.
This actually doesn’t even match my experience that well (teachers usually liked me, in highschool at least, and not all my bullies were athletes and in fact some jocks were rather nice to me) but I have heard horror stories from my friends at schools that sucked a lot more about stuff like this.
Is it necessarily rational to let out the aggression from that bullying trauma on sports in general? No not really. Is having some irrational opinions because of your bullying trauma kind of understandable? Yes. Is bullying trauma real trauma that the internet often treats as something petty that you should “just get over”? Also yes.
Liberalism: willingness to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one’s own; openness to new ideas.
Letting people enjoy things is literally liberalism. After the revolution, everyone will be compelled to enjoy and dislike the things that I, he One True Socialist, enjoy and dislike.
I watch 0 sports and the terms sportsball makes me angry. To the point I’ve thought about a gamer equivalent to throw back. Closest I can think of is controllertoy
Just tell them to go play on their Nintendo. They get real mad when you misgender their consoles
Listen you might not like the comic but “let people enjoy things” is much less unpleasant sounding than “don’t yuck someone’s yum” because saying that phrase makes me feel a visceral disgust as it slides out of my throat like a thick ooze
“Let people enjoy things” is linguistic harm reduction
It’s the
harm reduction in place of 
bumbling harm delivery.
Y’all didn’t learn from FFX that big sports events give the masses in a shitty world a reason to feel happy and cheer for a bit.
And also a racist soccer player will help kill god.
big sports events directly make the world more shitty so its a self perpetuating feedback loop
education systems destroyed, slums bulldozed, slave labor for stadiums, corrupt fifa deal, millions of injuries, etc.
Blitzball is awesome.
Although, after Sin was defeated they ended blitzball for J-Pop girl group performances and everyone seemed pretty happy about it
racist soccer player
Hey! He gets better! ANd its like, the best handled “bigot redemption arc” story in fiction lol.
Does John DiMaggio’s accent get any better?
Yeah I legit love Wakka.
Also he’s gonna do it with his fuckin soccer ball because fuck subtlety
sports haters are incredibly annoying and childish. critiques of how athletes are treated and the culture around sports are valid but “haha sporbsball amirite” makes me think you’re never interacted with someone outside of the internet
Hard disagree on this one. In a vacuum, sports is a hobby like any other, and it’s fine, if not my particular cup of tea.
But in practice, it holds a unique position of cultural hegemony, perhaps especially in America, in such a way that it is inextricably bound up with gender, patriarchy, race, labor and capitalism. I personally hate sports because people assume things about me based on what they think my gender is, and use it to police my gender.
I have no problem with people enjoying sports. What i have a problem with is people having a problem with me not enjoying sports.
Growing up i was always asked about sports and expected to care about them, enjoy watching them, and have something to say about them. My not caring was an unwelcome deviation from what people expected then, sometimes that necesitated an excuse for why it was okay and i always hated.
I hope its not like that for people growing up today, and we’re all just letting people enjoy things. As a kid the things i enjoyed weren’t okay and it wasn’t okay that i didn’t enjoy sports.
The term sportsball has outlived its usefulness.
I don’t disagree with that. Personally I’m not interested in attacking anyone’s enjoyment of sports.
You can see my comment to see what my issue is with sports. It has nothing to do with actual sport. But the way it was used culturally to shame and police children and their gender. I hope that’s changed since i was a kid
Yeah also it’s annoying af when old dudes ask you your opinion about the big game and when you don’t have an opinion they’re like, oh so you’re not athletic huh? Like motherfucker I see your beer gut, you’re not fooling anyone
It is interesting how some connect passive viewing as “athletic”. Similar to how watching sports is viewed as “masculine”
Yelling at the TV burns so many calories!
deleted by creator
Is this actually a thing? I tried googling it but all the results said “Actually there is no research substantiating this”
Big fucking mood
American football is blood-chilling to me as a flag-humping bootlicking spectacle of performative allegiance. It’s no wonder Nolan used an American football game and all of its symbolic “wholesomeness” as ground zero for his “scary leftist man with bomb” story beat.
There’s an alternate universe where Al Qaeda flew a plane into the Superbowl and America instantly nuked the world in retaliation
I reckon we could probably collapse the US simply by forcing US football teams to play against international rugby teams in half/half games.
you are significantly more likely to be badly injured playing american football than rugby. The only advantage of the american football game is that it lacks the homoerotic rapey nature of British rugby culture (to be clear the issue isn’t that the culture is gay it’s that it’s very weird and bad about consent)
bwwwwaaaaammmmm
not the wholesome football game! 
sports are fun and cool. what you hate is capitalism, not sports
Death to America
Probably lol
Death to America
Really, by this point, what hasn’t capitalism ruined?
I think it’s healthy to look at something like sports and, while recognizing it’s not harmful to society in and of itself, questioning whether it’s healthy that so much societal time, energy, and money is spent on it. I mean, there’s a not insignificant portion of Americans for whom sports is basically what they live for. I feel that way about Christmas, too. Is anything wrong with enjoying Christmas? No, of course not. Is it maybe an indication of something wrong in our society when for approximately 10% of the year, the culture seems to grind to a halt to make this one holiday the focus of our lives? Maybe, worth interrogating at least.
Yeah, here in Australia as well, the funding for sports is a giant black hole that sucks in and destroys funding for the arts and sciences (unless the science is how to sports better). Resulting in us having the lowest proportion of Arts spending of any developed country.
Sports bad
I don’t care for sports because I literally cannot comprehend emotionally or intellectually how one enjoys them
Umm sweaty have you considered that you’re stupid and childish? I love enforcing neurotypical normativity and belittling those who deviate from the norm! Why can’t you just be normal?
Sports fanatics are the most sensitive people on the planet and can’t handle others making offhand jokes about their obsession
You must touch X amount of grass and clock in Y amount of hours in popularly accepted consumer entertainment before you’re allowed to feel some way about it.
There WAS once a time in which people who only think about sports and only talk about sports, and get seemingly offended at people not following sports were more common. “Sportsball” was a necessary thing then. However, the term has outlived its usefulness, as sports fans tended to mellow out more, seemingly realizing they were cringe and learning from it, while the sportsball people became who the term was originally supposed to mock, but from the other end.
An even more problematic thing is that it also empowered chuds who are all “they shouldn’t be paid so much because they just throw a ball and don’t contribute to society”. Motherfucker, one professional athlete contributes more to society than every landlord, CEO, and financier combined.
The sportsification of education is still ongoing to this day. Sports culture in america is still cancerous and toxic and reactionary
liking sports isn’t homophobic, but trying to keep me from being a hater is
There is a lot of unexamined
in this thread.I’m not defending the use of the term “sportsball”, of course its cringe its from like over 10 years ago. And there is nothing inherently wrong with sports, playing sports, or watching sports. They can be fun.
For me personally, i grew up hating sports, because i had no real interest in them yet they were used by society to police gender. I hated and resented that sports were what i was “supposed” to like, expected to like, and maligned for just not liking. I was not allowed to “just enjoy things”, what i liked was stupid, a waste of time.
What I really hate and am upset by is the patriarchy of course, not sports themselves. I recognized that now that I’m older. As i kid, i only understood it as hating sports. But while i can delineate between the two, its also impossible not to notice how bound up sports, patriarchy, an gender policing are.
I think its important to keep that in mind when someone dislikes sports and criticizes its manistream and hemegonic acceptance as the default male gendered interest. Its not just a hobby, its bound up in America’s enforcement of gender.
I hope its not as extreme as when i was younger, but i doubt it has gone away entirely. Either way, its pretty depressing to see dissmissive takes in this thread and not seeing any expression of self crit on these issues
I didn’t intend to start a sports struggle session ITT (mostly I saw people using this comic about like YA books and Marvel movies tbh), and that’s very funny to me
But yeah some people should do some self crit if they think disliking sports as it currently exists is loser behavior or whatever. However annoying you find hating sports, it’s not even a millionth of how annoying sports actually are.
Death to America also means death to sportsball
No one ever intends to start a struggle session*. Its unexamined reactionary thought that requires one to happen.
*exception see: LiberalSocialist
Let people enjoy war crimes
Wait no
I think the synthesis here is that yes sports are dumb. So is dungeons and dragons. Adults can like dumb things, just acknowledge they are not serious and are for playing around.
Has D&D helped gut and destroy the American educational system? Has it given millions of young people brain concussions? Does it use slave labor to make stadiums? Is the highest paid state employee a D&D DM?
no this comic is a war crime because people fill in the sportsball speech bubble to make the character criticize their shitty unexamined reactionary treats. For (an extreme) example:
“oh hey, you enjoying blackface cartoons from the 1930s again? That’s pretty messed u-”
“shhhh let people enjoy things”
That’s a big difference to me: I can accept that some people don’t like some things I’m in to. As long as it isn’t some dogmatic bullshit about how “X is FOR BABIES” I really do accept that not everyone likes stuff I like.
In theory, yes. In practice, I don’t think anyone has ever had their school program defunded so that the school can buy new Dungeons and Dragons books.
we dont have a system that destroys the bodies of millions of child minorities trying to save themselves from poverty via dnd. no one is getting injuries in their brain that leads to them taking their own lives. theres no history of making slaves play dnd for white peoples entertainment. no local town politics are based around dnd. wizards of the coast doesn’t have the American government by the balls. no dnd college player is getting cheated out of millions of dollars their labor earned, while also working minimum wage job to keep the lights on. we smash black children’s brains together till its a fine goo that is not playing around.
I also struggle to think of any DnD campaigns that caused mass rioting, or a statistically significant annual spike in domestic violence.
you know they aren’t non abusers who watch sports and then become abusive right. It’s the already domestically violent aggravated by their hobby not going the way they wanted if they had a different hobby they would be just as abusive but at different time periods
Its almost as if sports in the US are tied up with toxic masculinity and patriarchy, and thats the heart of the issue some people have with them.
That’s kind of presumptive and even if your claim could be verified (it really can’t), way too many domestic partners have reported violence peaking during The Big Game style events for there to not at least be influence on when their violent outbursts break out, or how often.
It’d be like saying soccer hooligan riots would 100% happen exactly the same way if every single soccer hooligan was collecting stamps instead, while also blissfully ignoring when soccer hooligan riots happen (after soccer games), which isn’t just out of thin air.
I should have said that sports correlates with a spike in DV and not causes it. However, just as I can’t say for certain that sports events directly causes DV, I don’t think it’s correct to say that there’s no link between sports and DV and that the same net amount of abuse would result even if sporting events are removed from the equation.
Anecdotally, I used to volunteer with a charity that helped out young people who were in trouble, including DV. Major sporting events were always times where they tried to get all hands on deck because there was always a surge in calls compared to just about every other time of year except Christmas.
Obviously alcohol is a huge factor too, but sporting culture in the Angloshere is also incredibly entwined with drinking culture so its hard to separate those factors.
I don’t get it.
I’m genuinely very happy for you
I never saw the whole thing before. If this is the whole strip, it is crazy that people post a section that fbthis when it doesn’t actually make an argument at all. I’m surprised.
It suggests that effete and vaguely gay-coded people mock The Big Game and how dare they; they should be silenced.
Literally both of these characters are gay/effete coded.
False equivalency, considering one is (especially at the time) directly making the contemptibly gay-coded body language on the couch, hand gesture and all, while speaking poorly of the normalcy of the heteronormative thing that is supposed to be enjoyed.
Literally both of these characters are gay/effete coded.
Literally both a papercut and passing a kidney stone are painful.
Literally both a papercut and passing a kidney stone are painful.
Repeating your false equivalency doesn’t make it any less false.
removed by mod
one of the times where “let people enjoy things” is valid
using it to kill discussion of [thing] because [thing] has become part of your identity, bad
using it because you are minding your own business trying to do [thing] and someone is being obnoxious, good
Reminds me of how fucking weird some people get about it if an adult reads YA books
Like yeah they’re for teenagers, I don’t read them myself, and I’m going to roll my eyes at anyone who insists they’re every bit as deep and meaningful as books written for adults, and you deserve nothing but mockery if they’re the lens through which you understand real-life politics, but the way some people talk about it, you’d think a YA book murdered their dog
Like yeah they’re for teenagers, I don’t read them myself, and I’m going to roll my eyes at anyone who insists they’re every bit as deep and meaningful as books written for adults, and you deserve nothing but mockery if they’re the lens through which you understand real-life politics
the first hunger games book for example was actually pretty good. (although the series didn’t really know where it was going from there)
I think you’re (unintentionally) framing this in a way that centres the adult-oriented books that you value more highly, to the exclusion of the ones that you don’t hold in any esteem and that’s a real trap that people can fall into.
Let me put it in different terms to illustrate the point.
Imagine if I told you that any adult TV show is more deep and meaningful than any children’s/youth TV show. I’m sure that immediately you’re thinking of the most trash-tier reality TV show and comparing it to a celebrated TV show which is aimed at a younger audience and you’re thinking “Hang on a second… that’s a flawed proposition” and you’re right to think that. Not to mention there’s a really good chance that you haven’t even considered that infomercials are undeniably aimed at an adult audience nor considered the implications that this has for the argument.
So, why is it different with books?
There are some really shallow, vapid books aimed at an adult audience and there are books aimed at a younger audience which are deeper and more meaningful than a Harlequin romance novel or a Chuck Tingle novel for example (I’m making an assumption here - I’ve never read any Chuck Tingle before.)
Of course this is all subjective and it’s a matter of taste, but isn’t that kind of the point?
You could give The Yellow Wallpaper to a misogynist and they’d shrug their shoulders and be like “Women… amirite?” or you could give Things Fall Apart to a western chauvinist and they’d see little value in the book or you could give something like Infinite Jest or The Naked Lunch to a lot of people and they’d see no value or meaning in it.
Likewise, books aimed at a younger audience are likely to be more meaningful to a young audience than The Old Man and the Sea is to an adult. And vice versa.
But I’m not telling you off for having your own preference and for finding more meaning in the books you are drawn to. When it comes to how we make meaning and what value we place in art, this is something that is deeply personal and it’s entirely subjective. There’s no right or wrong and there’s no objective better or worse in this experience, it’s all simply a matter of preference and we should embrace this fact.
You don’t have to share in someone else’s love for YA fiction, for example, but there’s no need to try and impose your preferences on them either.
With that being said if you’re an adult and your frame of reference for politics is YA fiction, you’re playing around in the shallow end because this is a matter of facts and not simply taste; if you use the Star Wars movies to inform your understanding of medicine then you should be prepared to have your opinions disregarded by medical professionals, and rightfully so. That doesn’t mean you aren’t allowed to have Star Wars as your favourite franchise. It just means that it has its place as art and that’s where it belongs. The same can be said for fiction novels and politics (although I’m sure that someone’s going to chime in with a good counterexample now that I’ve gone and made that my position.)
When it comes to how we make meaning and what value we place in art, this is something that is deeply personal and it’s entirely subjective. There’s no right or wrong and there’s no objective better or worse in this experience, it’s all simply a matter of preference and we should embrace this fact.
I’m going to have to disagree to an extent here. It’s actually good to have aesthetic and moral principles by which you assess the value of art, and it’s also good to argue for them with others. Art is subjective, yes, but that doesn’t mean that every thing is equal to everything else and that everything is in the eye of the beholder.
Read Barthes
When it comes to how we make meaning and what value we place in art, this is something that is deeply personal and it’s entirely subjective. There’s no right or wrong and there’s no objective better or worse in this experience, it’s all simply a matter of preference and we should embrace this fact.
My disagreement is that Ready Player One is a giant steaming pile of shit that cashed in on credulous aging Xers by pandering to their nostalgia and their gross reactionary politics by providing an extraordinarily empty ego-insert power fantasy based entirely on a narrow less-than-a-decade-wide window of generational childhood experiences that had to be viewed without any literary analysis or political awareness, just REMEMBER THING? THEN YOU WIN THE PRIZE!
Reminds me of how fucking weird some people get about it if an adult reads YA books
Sometimes there’s an explosion of “(well written cartoon that adults happen to also like) is FOR BABIES”
here.For some, adults are not allowed to like things without sufficient violence and/or sexual violence or IT’S FOR BABIES.
Ah, yes, the hill on which FuckYourselfEndless spectacularly self-destructed
I always thought the anti-natalism was going to be the thing that got them
I didn’t want to name names, but yes. And the icing on the cake was that user had an anime waifu avatar.
Yeah the complete sidelining of a medium as “for babies” doesn’t make me mad at all…
If it’s from glorious Nippon, it isn’t for babies, though fandom and industrial pressures may mandate a fanservice emphasis of creeping on children.
I suppose by the same logic Tolkien can be considered for babies because there’s not enough sex, violence, and/or sexual violence against children compared to Gambo.
Gotta love the edgelord need for hyber violent or hyper sexual shit.
Meanwhile Don Heartfelt has been out here for 20 years doing compelling independent animation that’s constantly pushing the form and storytelling. Still hasn’t won a best animated short Oscar.
Still hasn’t won a best animated short Oscar.
Infinity Train was interesting and different and heartfelt enough that hateful edgelord and kiddie creeping sex predator Justin Roiland had to shit on it on an episode of his own edgelord cartoon. Because one was for babies and the other is for mature grown-ass adults.
Oh, right, not from Japan therefore Rick and Morty still for babies.
Funny, Infinity Train was also the target of vitriol from cartoon Youtuber Lily Orchard, who
CW: Pedo
made sexual advances toward a 16 year old among several other awful things
Over the Garden Wall is some of the best Halloween time storytelling. Amazing writing, amazing acting.
But it’s not edgy adult humor so no one appreciates it.
Tolkien can be considered for babies
my high school gf told me tolkien was for babies, also jane eyre, and pride and prejudiced were also for babies.
What the fuck was not for babies according to that very adult authority on adulting?
her very cool dnd games where she played with her dad his 40 year old doctor friends was very mature. fantasy series written by boring white men. also iron maiden and the like were the only real music smart people listened to, unlike my pop garbage. yeah…
I’ve noticed that people have a great deal of difficulty distinguishing between scenario 1 and scenario 2
