For me the easiest tell is the up front, unprompted, and unsolicited declaration of nonpoliticalness. When someone takes the time and expends the breath to announce how nonpolitical they are, what follows is almost always a rant about how everything/everyone else is too political these days, and that of course leads into something between status quo advocacy and outright reactionary/regressive sentiments for some fabled time before those wicked politics were visible to the nonpolitical ranter. 
People that are hostile to service workers. Some just want to take some ideological stand against tipping when the service worker doesn’t really have a choice and needs those tips to survive in the current unjust system in a way where ideological purity gestures toward that service worker just look like being a greedy and sanctimonious asshole. The worst of such people will actually declare, shamelessly, that they believe that service workers don’t deserve a living wage. The implications of that are 
worthy.
I may get shit for this, but I’ll say it anyway: this hair and beard combo, seen on living people. 
I have yet to meet anyone in person with that look that wasn’t a chud.
(If one of you is a comrade with that look, I am sorry in advance for the prejudice and if I ever meet you in person I will atone by buying you a drink or something.)
Ugh my hair sorta looks like this. It’s messier on the top but I do like the sides pretty short, I think it works well with my head shape. I keep my beard shorter too. Hopefully it’s different enough to not scare off cool people and not attract chuds.
Doesn’t shut up about some (any) slogan that starts with “abolish”
Says that “defund the police” is a bad slogan because “you have to explain it”
God forbid you explain anything…
Also, they hate it because it’s so “extreme”.
“Reallocate police funding to more provenly effective solutions in order to reduce and address social issues” is just too wonky though
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Yeah sure, I’ll “shut up” about ICE so the libs in my life don’t feel alienated
That one I’m not too knowledgeable enough about but I’m under the impression it makes a lot more sense to call for abolishing ICE as a real political goal than abolishing the family or the police
my politics are abolish everything up to and including linear time. the only salient question is what order we get around to it.
Please start by abolishing me.
I’m so tired.
under the dictatorship of the proletariat, /u/corgiwithalaptop will proceed to wither away
My contradictions will be resolved and I will disappear like sand in an hourglass
Thinking crime has gotten worse, it’s an absolute TV talking point that everyone repeats nowadays. If you try to bring up empirical evidence of crime decreasing every decade they just respond with some anecdotal bullshit they probably made up. It infuriates me and I wanna shout their face, “facts don’t care about your feelings”.
Both the Conservative CSU and the fascist AfD are running “tough on crime” campaigns here… bruh, even in bigger cities like Nürnberg or München you could leave the door open all day and odds are nothing would happen to your stuff. It’s entirely “young men speaking arabic on the streets - this is very scary!” based, even if this overt forms of scaremongering have passed onto more subtle ones.
Bavaria has like 5 cops per resident, wtf are these people going on about?
They look at the United States with hearts in their eyes, like in old western cartoons.
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This is a red flag, but I’d say it’s probably 50/50 on whether someone will dig in when confronted with the reality of the situation vs. listen.
The big issue is getting people to not just listen and nod along, but remember that next time they see a crime story instead of defaulting back to the media narrative.
every day my fucking coworker tells everyone about some new violent crime that happened somewhere in the greater metro area because he has an app on his phone that apparently gives push notifications for this stuff. i’m thinkin like “dude why do you have that you are driving yourself insane”
yes he’s a homeowner who commutes from the suburbs, how could you tell?
We have local Twitter accounts and it’s just some guy with no life posting everything he hears on the scanner.
Bonus flags if they mention Chicago in this context.
oh if they have a specific Democrat Run City in some other part of the country that they hate there’s no ifs ands or buts, they’re a fascist
“REEEEEE CHICAGO IS GANGLAND” -
I always reply in agreement then follow up about how imperial plundering of the global south has been increasing with the turbocharging of neoliberalism and all the criminal leaders and functionaries of the the US and its allies should be put in prison while letting everyone else out
I’ve gone the similar route and just acknowledge that all our business and political leaders are criminals, makes sense the rest of us are criminals too.
Just ask them about all the homeless you see around town. This is the American equivalent of asking a European about the Roma
it’s honestly amazing how quick a lib will start to call for death camps when homelessness is mentioned. is it different in Europe? serious question, does the presence of some kind of real social safety net mean that people are less bloodthirsty to their neighbors just for being poor?
Europeans will pretend racism is an American phenomenon, despite the roots of it coming from Europe, until you start talking about Roma at which point they become as racist as a klansman.
I dunno, in my experience European racism is a more primitive type that you don’t see as much in America anymore. Like even the most feral American hogs usually do the pretend song and dance that racism is bad before they beat the insert slur here to death. Like not saying it’s better, just the pretension that Americans are somehow uniquely racist seems like eurolib cope to me.
I think it is that racism is so baked into American society that it is hard to miss I mean a nearby country club, which cannot be turned into public housing fast enough, had to be sued to let in Irish Catholics in the 1980s so it is harder to deny here. As aresult more Americans are aware of their racism than Europeans.
There’s really no way for liberals to win with this one because their wealth is predicated on rising property values—which naturally produces homeless people. If you even adopt the milquetoast liberal approach of constructing affordable housing, that lowers property values. If you just pretend the homeless people aren’t there, that lowers property values. So as a liberal, there’s really nothing you can do. Capitalism has fucked the planet for the last couple of centuries; now this monster, in its vicious hunger for ever-dwindling sources of profit, is finally coming for you, too. The death camp approach is also pointless (purely from an economic perspective) because rising property values will continue to produce homeless people, which will mean more tax money for death camps, which themselves will produce ever-larger numbers of radicalized people who will increasingly adopt violent and organized methods to oppose you, etc. The only way to deal with “the homeless problem” (actually the landlord problem) is to eliminate landlords and establish quality universal housing—which means that dwellings cease to be an investment and you, Mr. Liberal, have to actually get a real job and work for a change.
The death camp approach is also pointless (purely from an economic perspective) because rising property values will continue to produce homeless people, which will mean more tax money for death camps, which themselves will produce ever-larger numbers of radicalized people who will increasingly adopt violent and organized methods to oppose you, etc.
The bourgeoisie wouldn’t mind doing another holocaust.
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That sounds like something the Union should act on since here deliberately differential conditions between union and non union shops slwould be something the Ombudsman would be quite interested in.
“well I was beaten as a kid and I turned out fine”
- someone who manifestly did not turn out fine
In the third grade I fell and broke my arm but I turned out fine. Obviously this means that we should break the arms of every third grader.
I wasn’t beaten as a kid and turned out fine, so I guess all other things equal they just like beating children since it’s evidently possible to raise a kid just fine without it
Anyone who not only doesn’t consider ever taking public transportation, but is shocked that whoever they’re speaking to would even suggest it.
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My mom recently gasped when I told her I had taken a train once, years ago
Is your mom Mallory archer?
People who worship the royals, especially if they’re not brits. Every time I’ve met one it’s always been a matter of time before they go full mask off and say something racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic
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Why are you as a marxist a KC Royals fan? 😬😬🚩🚩🚩 a bit counterrevolutionary of you, “comrade”
Any use of the word “degen” or the full version which is apparently - rightfully - banned here, lol
Yeah, it’s dire. At best it’s used by people using it to demean themselves in an attempt to appease edgelords.
Currently, anyone unwilling to smooch me is sus
“jesus was black”
“king tut was black”
“you need to embrace your divine femininity”
“I dont eat gmos, msg, or processed milk”
a
whiteperson who says “im not religious im spiritual” actually i know shitty black people who say thatif you hear this you are going to meet the most reactionary person i swear to god.
I dont eat gmos
I’m curious about your experience with people who say that. Its it anything other than the fact that the statement is fundamentally classist because buying GMO-free or non-processed foods is materially impossible for most working-class people?
I have pretty big criticisms to GMOs because I think their use has and will lead to the further precarization of food systems, the erasure of indigenous foodways and untold amounts of stress on soils and ecosystems. People who oppose GMOs on a “health” basis are a bit silly, in my opinion.
yeah you got it. its the classism and anti intellectualism for me. also these are the kinds of rich white brats who go to poor brown countries and spread misinformation that gmos harm people and stop research into things like golden rice (which under capitalism has limited potential but its a noble endeavor) that could save millions of lives.these assholes wont even let scientist RESEARCH it. they also lobby the local governments, purely to enforce their insane fringe belief that natural equals good. also monsanto and these companies are evil and are destroying the planet but the technology itself is fine, and even under the current system gmos still often use less pesticides which ARE harmful to people. also almost no one ive met criticizes gmos for good reasons like you laid out its all ignorant rich people. most dont even know what gmos mean.
I see, thanks for explaining!
If you’re interested, I’d like to talk more some other time (I’m ungodly busy and tired all the time right now) on the “being anti-GMOs is anti-intellectualism/science” bit, because as I’ve said before, food scholarship, and food activism are my chosen field of struggle, and I think there are good conversations to be had there.
I think many parts of movements for/about food have had the misfortune of getting started by privileged white people, and putting their concerns over basic humanity. But there are plenty of food-related movements like La Via Campesina who oppose GMOs on a political and ideological level, so we shouldn’t be throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
it’d be cool if your future conversation was public because i’m interested too
i would love to learn more some other time! and i understand that there are real reasons for opposing gmos especially for indigenous people. I think the original Luddites were based as well. I still think anyone who says the words “I dont eat GMOs” instead of “i dont support gmos” is privileged as hell. like even if youre farming all your own food thats still very privileged, and theres really no other way (other then deluding yourself or paying an insane amount of money) to live “gmo free”. i still think most people are anti intellectual poc included, and this is for good reason gestures to history but its our job to empower people with factually accurate information, (im thinking long term here). I would even agree the gmos currently are puting more harm into the world than good but anyone who claims they are inherently unsafe is just factually wrong. and the potential for gmos under socialism could do more than just end world hunger, we could end full illness and diseases, we could eliminate the need for pesticides one day, very importantly we could counter the effects of climate change (that genie is not going back in that bottle). lets chat later!
Couldn’t have said it better, so
. I understand that GMOs aren’t likely to be directly harmful to eat, but the longer-term effects on the wider ecosystem is the real (and thoroughly not studied nor understood) concern.I didn’t want to go into “one health” or “ecosystemic health is human health” concepts because I felt it would derail the conversation, but I think they’re important to take into account.
I think it is fundamentally eurocentric to consider that the agricultural and food systems in which one lives aren’t deeply linked to one’s wellbeing, and that the indiscriminate use of GMOs couldn’t have an effect on that.
There’s alot of specific ways specific GMOs suck and of course Monsanto gets the wall for shit like round up and the abuse of termination genes (great for research, terrible for farmers)
But so often the protesters are out against something like a scientific research project on soil redmediation, or of course the Golden Rice debacle.
Your understanding is half accurate only because most gmo (81% of all genetically modified crops https://enveurope.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s12302-015-0052-7) is used to make crops “Round Up Ready” and immune to the herbicide Monsanto’s Round Up which increases the use of glyphosate. Consuming glyphosate is directly harmful to eat.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9101768/
Glyphosate, a non-selective systemic biocide with broad-spectrum activity, is the most widely used herbicide in the world. It can persist in the environment for days or months, and its intensive and large-scale use can constitute a major environmental and health problem. In this systematic review, we investigate the current state of our knowledge related to the effects of this pesticide on the nervous system of various animal species and humans. The information provided indicates that exposure to glyphosate or its commercial formulations induces several neurotoxic effects. It has been shown that exposure to this pesticide during the early stages of life can seriously affect normal cell development by deregulating some of the signaling pathways involved in this process, leading to alterations in differentiation, neuronal growth, and myelination. Glyphosate also seems to exert a significant toxic effect on neurotransmission and to induce oxidative stress, neuroinflammation and mitochondrial dysfunction, processes that lead to neuronal death due to autophagy, necrosis, or apoptosis, as well as the appearance of behavioral and motor disorders. The doses of glyphosate that produce these neurotoxic effects vary widely but are lower than the limits set by regulatory agencies. Although there are important discrepancies between the analyzed findings, it is unequivocal that exposure to glyphosate produces important alterations in the structure and function of the nervous system of humans, rodents, fish, and invertebrates.
this is all pretty new to me tbh, are we getting harmful levels of exposure just from eating produce or is this more about acute exposure?
There is evidence that the amount we consume is harmful but Monsanto is one of the most powerful lobbies in the world so the information stays muddled. There are some countries in the EU that have banned it or are planning to but the EU as a whole reversed course after cash infusions.
was on an anti-“hippie” circlejerk for years stanning for Monsanto, and it probably started as astroturfing but the enlightened I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE™ bazingas made it their cause anyway. RoundUp was made of LE SCIENCE so it was objectively good! 
If anyone is coming to the defense of Monsanto it is because they are being paid or are suffering liberal brain damage. They are Nestle levels of corrupt, probably worse.
Oof, that was the stuff they hilariously claimed you could safely drink by the gallon, then refused to drink. Very good point that I’ve not considered before!
The MSG thing is so wild to me, why is that a thing??? It’s such a good ingredient
its just racism! some white man made up a concept called “chinese food syndrome” after eating Chinese food and having his tummy hurt. and then non asian restaurant started promoting the idea to hurt local asian businesses so they dont have to compete with the yummyness.
anyone who does keto
I always knew I was getting the wall, but i didn’t realise to would be so soon
(I did Keto with a pretty severe calorie deficit and lost 35kg, which I kept off for a year. I then went to America for a holiday/got married, got plantar fasciitis from social sport that stopped me from walking comfortably and COVID happened and I put 40kg back on lmao)
im not capable of having a normal non trauma dumping convo about keto, like i am fucked in the head FORERVER, so I will just say please please please be safe and get your blood checked regularly when doing fad diets.
please please please be safe and get your blood checked regularly when doing fad diets
yeah, I was and already was getting checkups and my bloods done decently regularly because my blood pressure and cholesterol were already shit before 2018 when i did it
I am nowhere near it now because I am, to say it politely, a gourmand
glad to hear it comrade, not enough people get their blood checked. sorry if i seem overly emotional, id rather have you heavier and here.
anyone who does keto
Oh fuck.
please please be safe and get your blood checked regularly comrade. please watch your potassium levels.
Nah, no worries, I don’t follow it anymore, but while I was I took a salt supplement with potassium. Ended it because it just made life too difficult
glad to hear it!
Particularly annoying since the entire 25th Dynasty of Egypt was actually black.
RIGHT??? THATS WHATS GET ME THE MOST!!!there were black Egyptians but WE DONT TALK ABOUT THEM (partially because the Roman defaced their art)!!! its all Cleopatra, neffertiti,and king tut. no mention of all of the amazing black kings and queens who were SO COOL and sometimes bisexual that no one EVER cares about. I feel crazy. And i know it comes from a valid place of wanting to see yourself in history but real history will ALWAYS be more amazing and beautiful then what youre uncle is posting on Facebook.
Apparently to them the advanced metallurgy of benin, the kingdom of nri, great fulo, mali, ghana, songhai, alodia, great zimbabwe, kongo, the sand houses of zanj sea, kanem-bornu, etc… are somehow not-worthy or like not “advanced enough”?
god yes! imagine if people were into real black history, it would be beautiful.
do you have any favorite sources for African history? or is it mainly like wiki-walking, forums, and googling, and just like ambient absorption from the internet?
like, I’ve been listening to Blowback and I keep thinking about how long it would take me to gather all that information without the podcast.
also @[email protected] because you mentioned a bunch of cool-sounding stuff
I know a little bit but I really wish I knew more.
i would love a podcast but most of my knowledge comes from googling binges at 3 am. I start with something like “precolonial africa gay” or “real african queens” and let god take me. I read this really great book about african kingdoms from the library a few years ago but i cant remember the name.
googling “precolonial africa gay” is already really illuminating and i’ve only just started.
i’m looking at this and there are so many promising terms to google in it https://daily.jstor.org/the-deviant-african-genders-that-colonialism-condemned/
anyway thanks for pointing me in this direction, it’s fascinating
Its more like target research into a topic when I know I want to know about a certain country/person, with a few amount of randomly searching through the internet haha. There is often a lack of variety of sources sadly. There is some good stuff by the https://historyofafricapodcast.blogspot.com/2021/03/?m=0 History of Africa podcast however.
That link was super interesting and I had never heard of any of that, thanks for the rec! I’ll be checking them out
“jesus was black”
I gotta say I’m disappointed to hear that one. It tracks, but I’ve always liked how much it upset my most racist relatives
I mean he probably looked like this, so hopefully you can still piss them offI don’t understand how more people aren’t offended that Jesus is depicted as an Italian.
I don’t mean to disagree but
"Jesus was black
Ronald Reagan was the devil
and the government is lying about 9/11"
is a based take because Huey Freeman is probably the most based character in mainstream animation.
I think black peoples obsession with needing white approval and to be at the center of whiteness (in this case Christianity) is the worst thing about the black community. i mean i love the boondocks but yeah its a red flag irl. and its just antisemitic, jesus was jewish, he was persecuted for being an Jewish ethnic minority, pretending he was black to make you feel better takes away from his history. also its just anti intellectualism, another scourge of the black community. also the people who say this are that same people who couldn’t name a single actual black pre colonial historical figure, not fucking one, MAYBE MANSA MUSA IF YOURE LUCKY. if youre not black you dont have to deal with these people on a daily basis. the amount of antisemitic ignorant shit I have to hear every time I go to any pro black space is insane, i cant take it anymore.
Mansa Musa is a boring figure. He was just some rich dude. Compare him with the founder of the Mali Empire and his grand-uncle Sundiata Keita.
i am LOVING all the cool African history everyone is sending me! thanks!
Oh haha, the keto thing is so accurate.
I have a Scottich gamer lad guild mate that has over the years done the full character arch from “omg they are making us piss in the same toilet to keto&intense gym going to Jordan Peterson watching to eating only meat (from which he got so sick he had to stop) to microdosing magic mushrooms.”
Currently he is on this sort of anti-capitalist ecofascist phase where he is being a fitness coach for the non-clean eating fat plebs and dreams about living in a commune and growing his own food with all the likeminded individuals who like to lift.
He also maintains that he is apolitical and chooses to not follow the events going on in the world.
A great raid healer though.
“im not religious im spiritual”
In my experience near the Bay Area, there’s enough spillover of Silicon Valley tech cult bullshit for “spiritual” to mean a number of terrible things from eugenics-fixated “Secular Calvinism” to prophecies of nerd rapture or escape from The Simulation™. And a lot of them have MLM-style grifts to sell you.
yeah it can mean anything, and you dont have to be held accountable for anything your peers/leaders do, but you can claim credit. “yeah man read this book it changed everything for me. yeah the author is in a sex scandal but its about the practice its not a religion we dont obey him, we just buy all his books and do what he says.”
That reminds me of another sus flag: “(grifter) is nonpolitical and is just a lifestyle coach that wants you to practice self-improvement!”
I did the version of keto where you just don’t eat bread or sugary food. I think it was adequately sloppy enough to prevent any chudification
good for you, the keto comments are really rolling in and i am super triggered so i shall delete that part of my comment, no hate just cant handle it, it was my mistake i didnt even think about it before commenting.
cw death, mom, truama dumping, you dont need to read just explaining why im suddenly acting odd
spoiler
___ my mom died from a lack of potassium and heavy exercise that made her heart stop while on keto, she followed it the way you are sopossed to ate enough calories ect, doctors said it looked like she was “living in a third world country” she died of malnutrition.
holy fuck i’m so sorry, from your reaction earlier today I thought you’d been on the diet
“nondenominational church”
Talks about “working families” instead of workers when complaining about government policy.
Dislikes both parties, but when pressed cites a dislike of people rather than policy or ideology.
Recently in Aus. Plans to vote no on the voice referendum at all, but especially if they say because “it will create apartheid”. For who motherfucker!? (There are, admittedly, some leftists who don’t want a voice because they want a treaty first but also this is dumb we need both and also to drive the coalition into the sea, specifically the part of it with the most box jellyfish)
“nondenominational church”
IME this is code for “you’re about to hear that Catholics are all cryptopagans, also I don’t know what an Orthodox Christian is but if I did they’d be a cryptopagan too.”
Oh man some of these guys think Lutherans and Presbyterians are cryptopagans.
“Why can’t they just call themselves Christians?”
More “Arminianism isn’t nearly depressing enough a theology for us we need full Hypercalvinism to justify our prosperity gospel.”
(I think maybe my recent posts are a bit hard on moderate Reformed (ie, Cavinist) Churches who despite my disagreements have often lead left wing movements. But much like Tradcaths these fuckers aren’t helping.)
grew up in and around nondenominational churches and wow. some of those people are just a simmering pot of wild takes and beliefs. luckily we made it out but man. it’s a black hole.
Yeah, I grew up Catholic, but family were Non-dom and if someone says their Trad its just “I’m a gigantic Fascist who thinks Franco is the coolest”
But “Non-denominational” had just enough non chuds in the description that it could be a group of Christian Anarchists or some Jesuit who got defrocked for taking ecumenicalism too far or some weird descendent of the Diggers. But it wont be, it’ll be Hillsong or people more fash than Hillsong.
There are, admittedly, some leftists who don’t want a voice because they want a treaty first
Both the voice and treaty will do nothing substantial
NZ has a treaty and they’ve still got a very high incarceration rate
NZ has huge problems, I’ve lived there and I am under no illusion that there has been a proper reckoning there. But they’re an order of magnitude better than Australia, and that’s party due to the shitty treaty they (largely didn’t, since it was a dodgy translation) signed. Even if it was mostly ignored and the Maori had to fight for every inch of their rights on the streets, it did make things a little easier for that fight, and for the fights they still have.
AU on the other hand did not recognise that Aboriginal nations held land here at all until the 1990s. We have the highest First Nations incarceration Rate in the World, higher than SA under Apartheid (unless you count the Bantustans as essentially giant prisons, of course, but then we had the forced reservations, the stolen generation, the institutes…). It’s really hard to imagine how bad things are. There are entire families that think having aboriginal heritage is something to be ashamed of, and their kids haven’t found out until they did a DNA test or found some letters (Fanon’s work on Colonial shame is relevant here). It’s fucking bleak and racism is open, constant, and blatant in a way that would shock most people here. Major news anchors spew eugenics. Seemingly ordinary humanist libs will suddenly spew the most violent racist bile in a way I’ve only ever seen with the Romani in Europe.
Some of that exists in NZ as well, but like I said, it’s not as mask off or as universal.
I hold little hope, like you, that a voice or a treaty will accomplish practical change on their own. But because most people are libs, it will provide not just a basis for agitprop that will be harder to ignore, but “Legitimate institutions” that can support the substantive campaigns of direct action in a way liberals will be unable to ignore or critique as outside the “proper channels.”
If it fails of course, we can bully the Yes voters into radical action, which is also fun. We have a path either way. But I’d prefer a win.
Being too intensely interested in football.
Football is a popular working class pastime, a great way to get exercise and a great way to socialise as a player or as a fan. Literal billions enjoy football worldwide and there’s nothing wrong about that.
But then there’s the kind of guy who is so much into football that he makes it a defining part of his personality. These kind of guys are more likely than not to be aggressive and nasty chuds.
Football guy/girl is like an archetype in every European social circle.
I agree that being into football in a certain way just screams “i like getting into fights”, but depending on the club that may also mean “i like to punch nazis every weekend”.
90% of Eastern European football-obsessed fans are fascists.
I think this is called sublimation. “I, the petite bourgeois / labor aristocrat who benefits from capitalism but is still humiliated by the fact that I am not a billionaire and never will be no matter what I do, must pour my rage at the system in some other direction, since destroying the system will, at the very least, temporarily inconvenience me.”
Being too intensely interested in football.
That also especially goes for MMA. The people that start talking about BJJ as “chess” tend to be insufferably chuddy.
Reminds me of the brother in Get Out who monologues about it.
I had that hair/beard combo until I saw a picture of myself and realized I looked exactly like
A friend of mine told me “That’s what dysphoria feels like”
In light of recent events I would like to add “is offended by or concern trolls about jokes that target white people”.
This is tangentially related but side shave means you’re queer, sorry I don’t make the rules
