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Lemmy is actually terrible software, but the people are mostly Reddit migrants so we’re not all idiots thankfully
Genuinely asking and know very little about it… why is Lemmy terrible software?
The laundry list of problems and faults it has would take me literal days to type out.
Yeah yeah, we hear you reddit spy
The way it manages databases is apparently not great for scalability, although I still don’t get the details. Having looked at the source code “terrible” seems like an overstatement.
Lemmy has been helping me lots. Been feeling so isolated, this is the first social online platform I’ve been able to participate in years. Talking to actual humans. Being able to help other humans.
Hello Pi :)
Welcome! It might be doomsday outside, the roof of this place is leaking and might be close to caving in, but I’m glad you are here in this corner of the Internet with us today. ❤
Giving you a non-creepy internet stranger hug.
Who doesnt love pi??
Pi is listed to 90 decimal points, taped to wall across from bed. I recite it over and over when going to sleep. =)
Hell ya, party on, bruh
I agree, 100%. I never posted on other social media platforms until trying Lemmy, Mastodon, or Firefish. I find the fediverse is a really pleasant experience as long as the instance moderates can keep up with the spam, trolls, and other unwanted content. I think it’s because it’s not trying to commercialize the platforms that makes it more interesting and pleasant, at least for me.
Its kind of funny and interesting, there a few big players in the Fedi, and for the most part, we all try and get along.
It’s totally replaced reddit for me. Every community I’m interested is smaller than I’m used to, but much more positive. It’s cool even seeing a lot of the same names occasionally as I navigate around the site.
I hope it keeps this level of quality as it grows.
I really do hope Lemmy can become sufficiently populous to allow for revitalizing all the niche subreddits and perpetuate+encourage that knowledge dissemination and truth-seeking function that Reddit (the community of communities rather than RedditCo) tends to do stunningly well.
I made one of my favorite niche communities (on my Lemmy.world account), for the XCOM games. And I try to drop memes in a few other super niche communities that I’m interested in every so often.
Growth is slow, but a handful of very active users can contribute more than you’d think.
Just be careful. There’s some bad hombres out there spamming bad stuff and I don’t want any nice volunteers getting burned online or offline, if you catch my drift.
Its insane how responsive and quick rhe answers pile up, asklemmy is the shit. Just asked a life or death question and already got lke r organic answers
I post and comment a lot, and it frequently leads to me having like 40-50 messages in my inbox if I don’t check for a few hours. I’ve even noticed a significant uptick lately, which is encouraging.
That can also be regulated to a certain extent at the Federation/instance level so its very possible to have different conventions or varying levels of quality control for posting and commenting
We can even have communities on similar topics with different vibes, moderating styles, etc. It’s great.
If you’re not calling groups like that “Cubes” in your community, do you even Star Trek?
Lawl I see your name EVERYWHERE! Good stuff all over.
Also a user named Ragnarok Online, which is a game that changed my life so much, I didn’t think I’d be around without it. He’s fantastic also.
The gaming communities are the only negative ones I have. It’s really sad, because I really want to be in gaming communities, but I just can’t stand all the negativity all of the time.
Yeah, it feels like gaming communities everywhere on the internet can be so toxic.
I’ve had better luck with comms focused on individual games, but their content is slow right now.
I’ve found that communities that are both mainstream and related to technical subjects to always get filled by people who know just barely enough about the subject to spread self-assured disinformation.
You won’t really have this problem with super-niche stuff, or stuff that isn’t mainstream enough like a pilot community. Gaming in social media is definitely cursed.
What’s really cool is seeing actual conversations taking place. I’m actually able to comment here and I’m not immediately being drowned out by being one of ten thousand comments or constant contrarian trolling.
It has also totally replaced Reddit for me. It reminds me a lot of the old internet and a bit of early Reddit. It’s a really cool experiment, and if it continues as-is I will be thrilled, and if not then I will forever have a sense of pride of what everyone here accomplished. It’s very cool.
Yeah, I never feel like I’m commenting/posting into the void. By my surprise, it has actually encouraged me to post more, which isn’t something I expected when I joined Lemmy, and definitely not something I ever did on reddit.
My dude, you and Stamets are my Lemmy heroes. I can’t imagine I’d spend that much time on Lemmy if you guys weren’t around.
Haha, I’m glad! I know I post a lot of memes in general, but Risa is by far my favorite community on lemmy. The more people that get into Star Trek, the better, I say!
I’ve always been such an admirer and peruser of such a classic and timeless dialectical format. Its like constantly examining knowledge and each other and being likewise cross-examined in all the best ways
I honestly believe it has made me a much better writer and thinker although I have no pretensions about how systematic any of it is.
Edit: it can compel me to be hilariously nitpicky sometimes
Anything that makes you think critically, ponder, analyse, or absorb knowledge is a grand thing.
I just had an idea: daily Lemmy debates. We pick a topic that is relevant to the day, and we engage in healthy, respectful debate, picking a side and exploring that stance until all points of logic are exhausted.
Great idea. I also really liked Reddits’s KarmaCourt or whatever with the roles for Judge, prosecutor, defense, other officers of the “Court”, and jury etc. I love shit like that, its like the internet’s version of HarveyBirdman Attorney at Law. Oh, and SubredditSimulator is goddamn hilarious.
Good schtuff
I’d really love it if someone could prosecute me for something in KarmaCourt, I doubt they would prevail, unfortunatley for all of us :(
Same. Couldn’t have said it better.
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Federation is just complicated enough to keep the dummies out. Also probably defederating the idiot instances and better content moderation.
Ackshually so right about that. Don’t wanna be mean, but yeah, no.
Well, dummies is too strong a word tbh. its the people who didn’t take the 30 seconds to understand how they have been using e-mail, a federated service, their entire fucking lives and things worked well.
Not only that, but the community is small enough that large corporations and marketing companies don’t care about it. Yet ;)
And at that point we can defederate from corporate instances. Its so user first.
It’s not about corporate instances. It’s the bots and fake accounts/posts/comments. That’s one of the issues with Reddit. There are little authentic posts. Most of them are advertisements it just reposts to farm karma to avoid detection. It’s ridiculous.
It is, hopefully they get modded out
Which subs do you see this in?
You’re missing all the racism that’s come forth since mod tools were lost
I think this is the biggest reason. A huge amount of content on reddit is astroturfing / brand manipulation; both in posts and in the comments. And in addition to that, a there’s a huge amount of ‘karma farming’, where heaps of popular but low-effort content is recycled over and over again to gain points and create a sense of credibility for accounts that will later be used for marketing / manipulation.
I don’t understand the “it’s complicated” thing. Figuring out which instance to use was slightly confusing (I went with lemmy.world because it seemed to be the most popular at the time), but after that, it’s no more complicated than Reddit or any other social media site. Am I missing anything?
No, you tried something new, the unknown did not dither you. Weirdly, that was the “complicated” barrier.
It’s the “slightly confusing” step that 80% of people don’t take.
Yep. Presenting the user with a choice that they don’t fully understand (which instance should I choose? What even is an instance?) is a very big deterrent.
Bigger deterrent is presenting real choice than one they don’t understand
I love that there are so many geeks with such healthy understanding about the world.
Religion? Pff, everyone pro-atheism.
Climate change? Pff, everyone against corps.
Open source software & privacy? Pff, lots of suggestions od what to do and what NOT to do.
Lemmy is great.
I just wish there were more hobbyists among us. I barely see any writing or art content on here.
It seems is a lot harder to transfer a niche community that’s not directly predisposed to using tech alternatives. The general purpose communities are already great here.
Aww, you went and ruined it. Come awnnn
I’m really not against going to church and being pro-social, as long as people are innoculated with critical thinking and common sense.
As a critical thinker, church is unlikely to be high on your list of socializing options - unless you’re conducting some kind of experiment.
As a church enjoyer, I feel very othered right now. Can we go back to the vibe of OP’s indiscriminate joy and excitement?
Trust me, he’s the other. God love 'em ;)
As someone who sees religion as a scourge on society and the unfettered, tax-free existence of churches as little more than a symptom, I wasn’t crazy about the possible implication that church attendance was required in order for one to be considered prosocial.
I do if its a badly-behaving church that is doing that crap, otherwise they can really be a positive fixture of the community if its done right
Its not about the god stuff, its about community and getting out to meet and socialize with it. God is just the social lubricant in place of alcohol but lots of cool people, musicians particularly, younger people like myself to make friends, lunches, prizes, volunteering to help people in non-religious services, etc.
Don’t give a flying fuck about god, “he” is most likely nothing more than a simulacrum at this point (as he always was), its just good people and really accepting ones depending on the church. Mine def is
Man, I too would like to have a community gathering place, but the local church is super elitist and the priest is a conservative dickhead, so while I would have imagined that churches would not be like that, many alienate potential community members :/
I’d love for people to understand that depending on your area, there might be multiple churches and its really a process of trial and error to find the right fit. Personally, non-denominational is the way to go and it helps if they have a good, modern worship section with cool instruments and a decent stage. I say this because its often representative of their approach to everything else, the more modern, generallly, the better.
This extends to their attitudes towards diversity (racially speaking) and tolerance towards LGBTQ+. I don’t want to get into identity politics because its a distraction and unnecessary to anything, particularly religious belief and functioning in the modern world.
Your church, like you, should not give a fuck who takes what body part where for sexual gratification or where one’s attractions lay, as long as it is truly and deeply consensual and its is not radically legally barred like with animals and children. I am not associating those latter two things to the former designations, a gay person or trans person can be entirely moral and logically consistent and valuable in the eyes of whoever or whatever god is for all poetic and practical intents.
Likewise with race, it is retarded to care avout what someone’s skin color or ethnic background is as long as they are peaceful and conduct themselves in a way that they are not corrosive to the society in question. It should not cost the people native to a place to accomodate the existence of that from another, particularly whenever it involves violent injury or displacement.
It is not wrong to require varying levels of scrutiny based on where someone came from for the reason that a culture and birth place, geographically speaking, has baggage and influences one’s attitude toward peaceful conduct and respect for bodily integrity and integrity of one’s holistic being. Cultures that are intolerant and deny the humanity and worthiness of others cannnot stand and should not be tolerated, not even a little bit. They must be allowed (and I would argue, even facillitated into) drive(ing) themselves into extinction and it is moral to allow them to do so while safeguarding one own society and private existence.
Having said all that, my original advice stands. As well, I wish more people would believe people when they show and tell who they are. You’ve correctly assessed the nature of the priest and you are likely correct to avoid him and that which he represents. If you can drive and there are other churches around somewhere, I would suggest you check those out. But there are also virtual services offered by many churches and if I can do so without doxxing myself, I will think on how to help you with that. But in person for fellowship and involvement in the community are foundational to the experience and I would implore you to be creative and find a way to find a good place and to make it possible to attend directly.
Please take care and I’ll try to help any way I can.
Try looking into the Unitarian, Episcopal or United Church if Christ as all three tend to be more progressive if you want a community that is likely to not be as conservative. The Episcopal church, of the three, is more likely to have a conservative element as it was the “elite” denomination for centuries.
I wish this was possible without the whole god thing. What do you do during prayers etc.? Whenever I’ve attended a baptism or a funeral or some such, all I can think about is how much mana the priest is using when casting the bless on the audience. It gets so awkward.
What is mana? Is that like some RPG thing?
Yes, I thought all magic works like that.
I’m amazed these days at how acute my “bullshit-o-meter” is. Its pretty fucking hard to run any bullshit past me most days as of late. This format really is brain candy for my personality and knowledge aquisition
Because I’m still here after the movie promotion for some inexplicable reason?
And you agent is probably like, “wtf is a lemming?”
That’s why what they don’t know won’t hurt them, doctor.
Just like my totally real prescriptions.
You dick, that username is amazing. Fuck!
Not gonna lie, this is like my favorite comment, like in anything, ever!
Appreciate it, bud!
Its also funny cuz its like a rodent of some kind but it sounds like something Charlie Kelly would specialize in a certain area of law dedicated to
Bc the people who really cared for a newer better platform migrated.
It’s only good because of all the hard work being put in by the moderators. Unfortunately, behind the scenes, Lemmy sucks and is severely lacking in moderation tools to deal with spammers, trolls and sick people who post illegal content.
See this post for instance, I feel pretty bad for the mods who have to deal with such stuff: https://beehaw.org/post/7943139
I am biased saying this, but I really don’t think Lemmy is bad behind the scenes. On the contrary, I think it’s revolutionary from a technological perspective, not only because of the Fediverse but because of the way it’s implemented and all the great new technologies used.
Keep in mind that this is a FOSS project, and there is obviously no budget to be hiring moderation teams for CSAM like software giants do.
CSAM was an obvious problem from the start, but when it comes down to it, it’s a moderator job and not a job for the actual software to do.
Thankfully there are new tools now to help moderators deal with CSAM that are possibly going to be incorporated to Lemmy afaik.
TLDR: Don’t blame the software for people being shit
Yeah I agree. Lemmy obviously isn’t at the level reddit is, but reddit has had nearly 2 decades of development with a larger userbase.
I certainly would like to see Lemmy development happen a bit more quickly, and in particular better 3rd party/mod tools (I REALLY want a RES for Lemmy), but I don’t think we’re in a bad place on the Lemmy timeline.
Sorry, but I disagree. Note that I don’t disagree with the idea or the technology itself (and the concept of Fediverse), the problem is the current state of development. Saying that it’s the moderators job doesn’t absolve the responsibility of the software, when the software, in it’s current state, doesn’t really provide any decent tools for moderation and user access controls.
CSAM was never a problem on well-configured traditional forums, which were based on forum software such as Invision, vBulletin etc. To elaborate, in traditional forums, you’d get a LOT of controls for filtering out the kind of users who post such content. For instance, most forums won’t even let you post until you complete an interactive tutorial first (reading the rules and replying to a bot indicating you’ve understood them etc). On top of that, you can have various levels of restrictions, eg, someone with less than 100 posts, or an account less than a month old may not be able to post any links or images etc. Also, you can have a trust system on some forums, where a mod can mark your account as trusted or verified, granting you further rights. You can even make it so that a manual moderator approval is required before image posting rights are granted. In this instance, a mod would review your posting history and ensure that your posts genuinely contributed to the community and you’re unlikely to be a troll/karma farmer account etc.
So, short of accounts getting compromised/hacked, it’s very difficult to have this sort of stuff happen on a well-configured traditional forum.
I used to be a mod on a couple of popular forums back in the day, and I even ran my own server for a few years (using Invision Power Board), and never once have I had to deal with such content.
The fact is Lemmy, in it’s present state, is woefully inadequate to deal with such content. Dealing with CSAM should never be a volunteer mod’s job - that stuff can scar you for life, or even trigger PTSD/bad memories for those who might’ve suffered abuse in their forgotten past. If people are involved, it should be a job for professionals who’re trained to deal with this stuff.
Once again, I don’t disagree with the general idea or the concept of Lemmy, it’s just unfortunate timing the Reddit exodus happened when the software was essentially an alpha.
I agree that CSAM protection is lacking, but the software is not an alpha. As a platform I use it just as much as I used to use Reddit and usually it’s much faster, more enjoyable and not profit driven.
CSAM protection is essential, but it’s a very hard problem to solve and naturally it takes time. Feature wise though, it’s constantly improving and showing how powerful FOSS can be when enough people are interested in it.
I agree that CSAM needs to be fixed as soon as possible, I’m just pointing out that despite this huge problem, the software is otherwise doing very well and improving faster and faster as more people join in.
the software is not an alpha. As a platform I use it just as much as I used to use Reddit and usually it’s much faster, more enjoyable and not profit driven.
That’s because you’re only seeing it from the eyes of a user. Talk to any admin of a big instance and you’ll see how inadequate it is. Or just head over to Beehaw, they have made some very detailed statements on how much of a nightmare Lemmy is, and on the current bleak state of development.
I’m just missing a solid Eyeblech here. I miss that the most from Reddit.
Be the change you want to see!
It’s quick and easy to spin up a community/sub!
I think that’s a bit of a dangerous take we need to address. There seem to be very real legal and practical risks + obstacles to safetly and effectively running an instance. I don’t want to see people getting themselves hurt or disillusioned prematurely because they had rose colored glasses about this subject
I hear that sometimes, but what legal stuff has actually happened ever?
I’m in the EU so of course I can get some notice of some sort I guess and that’s all fine, but as long as I don’t make money from it or are going illegal things all day long, what is this “hypothetical” danger?
I call BS, at least for the EU.
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Where were that? In the US?
Oh dear, I certainly hope I’m not involved in any eyeblech… stuff.
Also I think something like that would be defederated from most places.
I just think it’s neat.
Can we do anything to help with that?
Besides contributing actual code… not really. You can donate money which will help with the upkeep of servers, but that’s not really an issue with most instances. No amount of money can compensate someone (normal) for dealing with the trauma associated with such content. So yeah, the only thing that can really help right now is tools for moderation and user access controls.
Besides contributing actual code…
Maybe I can do that.
Unfortunately, behind the scenes, Lemmy sucks and is severely lacking in moderation tools to deal with spammers, trolls and sick people who post illegal content.
Maybe this is a silly question, but what sort of tools would be useful?
Do other websites have tools for this sort of thing that are effective?
I answered that here: https://lemmy.ml/comment/3916556
Goddam, I really hope I never come into contact with anything like that. I think it would turn me into a fanatical vigilante.
It’s not just the mods but the admins going to lengths to keep their instances clean. The awfulness outlined in that post means I’m not sure I should keep hosting my own instance.
Indeed, it’s not really a good idea to run your own instance if you’re not prepared to deal with such content. Many small instance admins have shutdown their instances for this very reason.
There was a patch merged recently which disabled caching of federated images, but I believe it still needs some work. Some discussion around that over here: https://sh.itjust.works/post/3962112 including an interesting comment suggesting rerouting
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Don’t, software is shit and you’re not prepared for what you’ll see and how much time you need to sink into that project.
Cause we’re small but mighty
Reddit, eat ur heart out!
Reddit doesn’t care; they sold out.
Oh, they care. Their IPO is gonna get halved, if not drawn and quartered
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I, for one, try real hard. But thanks!
I actually don’t try very hard, probably coasting on your efforts. So thanks for that!
I don’t try at all, I’ve just been drafting you
Whoever’s drafting you isn’t even going to reply, which is so them.
I confused. What does drafting you mean? I’m guessing you aren’t conscripting me into your team or Army…
In this case it’s referring to aerodynamic drafting, which is often used in various forms of racing. You let the person ahead of you fight the air resistance while following them closely behind so that you experience less drag.
Well I, for one, welcome our trier overlords
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Get on mai belleh!
I’ve been trying out the other fediverse platforms, based on how cool Lemmy is, and they all pale in comparison. It really is neat little thing we’ve got going on.
I really do like Tildes for certain more predictably high-quality answers when its something serious or technical but it can seem a touch heavy-handed. Ultimately, I appreciate the rigor where its important to have that and filter the memes and general+local
anaesthesianonsense we all love and know Lemmy for ;)Your post prompted me to have a look at Tildes. It looks alright, but a bit… dry.
It can be. Women or queer persons can potentially have a tough time there, too.
Ya, that post was pretty wishsy-washy and sweeping, people can make their points without needing to resort to identity politics to give credibillity to non-credible or insufficient arguments they want to toss out there. From my experience, I could argue any point from whatever lens you can think of and I believe I could receive votes and recognition. I can even swear because the force of my argument will be sufficient to excuse any nominal crassness that I strategically use to intensify the reasonable claim I ultimately make from the relevant or hypothetical vantage point in question.
Can you elaborate or link me to some corroboration of that—it seemed remarkably progressive and reasonable in my limited experience
So, here’s the thing. There’s a difference between a space allowing people that don’t look or act like the people already in the group and accepting those people. In some places, inclusiveness ends as soon as you get in the front door. Tildes is one of those places.
Now, don’t get wrong, I don’t think most of the people at Tildes are intentionally malicious or anything like that. And any large influx of people like the kind that would have happened with open registration after what went down on Reddit is going to cause mistrust and, sometimes, hostility. That’s just human nature. The difference is Tildes is intentionally protective of its culture.
This came about by both a) restricting the development of niche (or minority) communities, and b) limiting invites so that the small trickle of people who come in are assimilated more easily. That culture–like so many of these types of places–started with mostly white men of privilege from the tech sector. All the good and bad that comes with that is going to propagate in such an environment.
Even if Tildes didn’t originate in a culture that has a reputation for being homogenous and abrasive, this setup would still have lead to a certain type of group-think. Dismissive, and a little bit short on empathy and active listening. Martin Luther King Jr. talked about negative peace, where there wasn’t open hostility, just an absence of tension (as opposed to positive peace, which is the presence of justice). This is not dissimilar.
This comment chain on Tildes is an example someone else shared.
My only argument I wanna make here is nobody knew my race or identity when I even asked for and summarily received an invite to Tildes (almost instantly!)
Unless I’m making some perceptual or logical issue here, I would say that is a stark contrast to the vignette you sorta painted here.
Again, it’s not about who they let in. It’s about how they respond to conversation that doesn’t mesh with their ingrained culture.
The conversation I linked is all about that.
Its not for everyone and that’s part of why its for me ;) Not that I’m elitist or anything, I just hate low-efforts and assholes, ne’r may the two meet here
I am slowly looking at other socmed options than the big three. Tildes and maybe Bluesky will be on the list. I liked Mastodon but they muted me so I never visit any more
What the heck happened tho? Did you do something or what do you think precipitated that?
Simple: I point out that violence is the goal of fascists and that violence is the only way to deal with them. BANNED for historical accuracy
I’d say Tildes, HackerNews, and Hubski are all really cool and high quality.
I’d say Tildes, HackerNews, and Hubski are all really cool and high quality.
I’d say Tildes, HackerNews, and Hubski are all really cool and high quality.
How active is tildes? I never saw how many users it got.
Less is more with Tildes. Its definitely less rich in quantity than the overall tenor and quality of the specific discourse that goes on.
You have an invite for Tildes?
I don’t know when I start getting them, I’m pree new
The tildes guy is on reddit and seems like a good dude, I bet you could ask for an invite. I can’t remember his name though, it begins with a d?
What’s Reddit? Is he on Lemmy?
Good point, I’m sure OP could write Tildes directly from the site if he wants to avoid reddit.
Ya, i really appreciate Tildes as kinda of a haven from any nonsense when I feel a bit more serious or inquisitive about something heady.
Dave-o?
Because I have been shut in like a virgin waiting for the perfect social media to share my silly humour on.
Same bro
