I’m hoping this doesn’t start a fight, I’m just curious what the political orientation is of this community. I grew up in a liberal (in the American sense) family, and I identify now as a socialist, though a lot of the liberalism I grew up in has stuck with me, like interest in LGBTQ and women’s rights, environmentalism, etc. Wondering where people here land?
I am very heavy left leaning. I want adults to be able to marry as many other consenting adults as they want(yes I mean a poly liftstyle). I want trans people to have rights and I want women to have full reproductive rights. I want free Healthcare for all as well as some sort of free food and water if needed and free basic clothing and housing if needed. And honestly I want us to start killing nazis again.
Killing nazis, like the government executing people who identify as neo-nazis?
Some form of militant communist.
I vote Green. Howard destroyed the utopia future we all hoped for, but there is still opportunity for Australia to be a society of equals.
The two right wing and far right wing parties of the US still mostly confuse me. Their lack of compulsory voting scares me. I also have been shocked on my visits to the US as to how their country is full of inequalities and people desperately poor. Weird place, glad I don’t live there.
Australia has compulsory voting?
Yeah If you forget to vote in a election you’re fined around $20. So I guess it counts as compulsory voting.
Sounds horrible
Yeah if you don’t participate in our democracy you might not be able to afford half a pack of ciggies
Its not really a democracy if you have to vote
How do you define democracy then
In a representative democracy, what’s the point in making everyone vote in it?
This statement confuses me
Why?
I don’t know about Australia, but in the countries i have heard about with compulsory voting, it’s totally legal to vote blank, i.e. not actually vote for anyone. You just have to go to the polling station and put your blank ballot in the box.
So you’re (if i’m not mistaken) not forced to vote for a party you don’t agree with.
Fair enough but we get to accomplish that here by just staying home.
One of our right-wing parties has figured out that most people are not as right-wing as it is, but it can still win if only the most extreme people vote. So they try to make voting more difficult even. The opposite of compulsory
I’m a communist, most people I work with consider me an anarchist but I’ll work with almost anyone who’s ready to end private property.
I call myself a New Deal democrat.
I am mostly a Maoist, with some anarchism sprinkled in.
Basically I think the single fastest thing we could to do improve our society is to:
- all kill our landlords
- form community mutual aid networks in the homes we subsequently inhabit without fear, while
- putting a priority on decolonisation and welcoming of displaced peoples to their imperialized lands.
How do you feel on the Nepalese Maoists?
This might not be the most satisfying answer, but my opinions of Maoism are based on what I’ve read of his principal texts and of the economic and social revitalization of China since he was in power. I live in the imperial core, and when I look around at the societal problems in my community and in my country writ large, I see immediate land redistribution as the swiftest cure to the largest issue, and Mao in my mind is the foremost advocate, architect, and practitioner of anticapitalist land redistribution on the national scale.
So my view is mostly from old books and from my neighborhood, and I’m not too well versed with the other cells around the world who claim the Maoist title. All I’ll say about the Nepalese Maoists is, my knee-jerk reaction to anticapitalist forces is support, I don’t know enough about them to comment further, and I hesitate to levy judgment on people across the world from me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_communist_parties_in_Nepal
Nepal’s communist and “communist” parties are a very complex and complicated topic.
Fair enough, was specifically wondering what your views were on People’s Multiparty Democracy that Nepalese Maoists subscribe to?
Centrist communist. I think MLs and Anarchists have useful ideas about making the world better. I’m leaning more ML lately mostly due to learning about the oppressive history of western capitalist interests, and how pacifist approaches have repeatedly failed to survive.
Yeah, I think some form of Anarchisms are the more-than-long goal for many places, but the early stages, with capitalists fighting to keep power, definately still need strong and organized defense forces, and a state is probably the best way of doing that.
The overabundance of essential resources that communism aims at will probably allow for groups of all sizes to organize as they wish/need
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)TBF to old trot, idk if he’s ultra left or a right deviationist because he was such an opportunist that he fluctuated on which side of the opposition he worked with. He just went with whatever side had more leverage opposing Stalin that day.
true dat. Trot is definitely not an ultra left, and you are correct on his opportunism fluctuating on whatever would oppose Stalin – to the point of supporting terrorism
Old school left center. We shouldn’t leave anyone behind and help those who can’t help themselves. If they can but they won’t… Well that’s a valid personal choice too but the society shouldn’t shoulder that burden.
Woman’s rights I thought we fixed those but looking at that vid from that Spanish female reporter who got slapped on the ass mid interview I guess there is some work still left to be done there.
Lgbtqi+. If you need that much letters and still can’t come up with a catchy sounding word you’re doing something wrong. But seriously, we’re all equal, be what you are, I’m cool. I do think we’re making this bigger then it really is. We’re overexposing it. Gays have been accepted for a long time in the society. But this focus on all issues be it gender, sexual orientation, transsexualism have resulted in a snap reaction to the other side by a big portion of our societies. I think it’s clear that yes, there’s something there which must be addressed and also yes, the way the “activists” are putting it in the spotlight and are playing the shame game results in an exact opposite reaction. Which results in conflict and bullshit like we’ve seen with ms. Harry Potter. Was it understandable, her pov, knowing what’s she’s been through? Most certainly yes. Is she wrong? Maybe. Possibly. I think so. Was the whole moronic reaction warranted? Most certainly not. Her pov should’ve started a discussion, you know, like grown ups do. What we got instead was a witch hunt, an inquisition. People shouting and a cussing and excluding others.
Wasn’t the whole point of lgtbqi+ inclusion? And how do we accomplish that? By exclusion? That doesn’t seem right. That sounds stupid. That sounds like repeating the same errors.
We live in a global society. We should accept and respect each other. Also the ones we don’t agree with. Sometimes it seems we crave for conflict instead of coexistence. Let’s agree to disagree and move on.
Lastly I firmly believe in decriminalisation of all drugs. Why? We’re fighting a drugs war for as long as I can remember. A part of society craves for this stuff. Be it old school cigarettes, alcohol, narcotics, uppers, downers, etc. I say: let them. Slap a tax on it, regulate it so we’re sure there’s no bullshit in it and let it go.
Bad for health? Looking at our society I see our industry spewing out all kinds of shit, dumping it in the environment. I see insecticides everywhere killing insects and us slowly.
A percentage of society will always be addicted. Legal or illegal. We can’t counter it. But we can counter a lot of the criminal activities surrounding it by legalising it all.
And I would like to add that NO GOVERNMENT EVER has any say about what goes on in one’s body. Abortion is always awful and always leaves a psychological mark. But sometimes it’s necessary.
If you need that much letters and still can’t come up with a catchy sounding word you’re doing something wrong
I’ve always been partial to QUILTBAG lol
And I would like to add that NO GOVERNMENT EVER has any say about what goes on in one’s body.
I don’t agree with this, I mean governments regulate what goes in our bodies all the time. Food safety standards, anti narcotic laws, etc
I used to think like you, but paradox of tolerance my man. You absolutely cannot accept bigots in your society or they WILL ruin it. Not might. Will.
Also saying the minorities need to pull back on the messaging is victim blaming. They wouldn’t need to do it at all if there wasn’t a force to be fighting against. What would you propose they do instead? Just say “oh you can oppress us for now until you feel ready to accept us.”?
On all other points I agree with you.
I would like to be King.
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Where in the EU are you from?
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Oh, cool :)
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California originally, now living in Arizona :)
My liberal friends call me a libertarian, and my conservative friends call me a libtard. So what does that make me? A centrist? I don’t believe fully in any one ideology. There are good things about multiple different belief systems, and bad things about them too. I think we’re doing ourselves a massive disservice by aligning so neatly into tribalistic views of the world.
Agreed with that
Most Americans (your terminology is American so I’m assuming) have incoherent political beliefs handed down to them by popular discourse. Nearly all of them can be summarized as liberalism, i.e. a supporter of the capitalist order, and “debate” is whittled down to which of its various forms you “support”. You are given basically zero agency to actually support those things unless you’re a major business influence, but your frustrations at a lack of material improvement in your and others’ lives has been effectively redirected into a pantomime of political movements, and this helps the boss pick your pocket.
Basically… this is how I would contextualize conservatives (liberals) and liberals (liberals) calling you “the other”. You probably just aren’t subscribing to their own team sport-like political divide, one that changes easily and often depending on what their masters tell them to think. That doesn’t necessarily make your understanding better or worse, I just want to point out that their opinions probably mean nothing and that you are probably a fairly typical person in your region.
With that said, I highly recommend reading about the foundations of socialism and the horrible things the US has done and continues to do to other countries to enforce its economic order. We are not taught these things in school - we are instead taught nationalism and arguably fascist things so that there are ready-made excuses for the terrorism our country inflicts on others and us. There are, unfortunately, many, many examples, but one place to start is the coup and genocidal campaign in Guatemala premised in bailing out the exploitative landlords (basically feudal lords) there in the form of fruit companies. Their truth and reconciliation document is one of pure horror. The School of the Americas never died, it just expanded and became more diffuse. This is the ideology of mainstream America.
Rather far left both economically and socially, but I actually understand that progress takes step by step effort and screaming that you want everything done now doesn’t get you anywhere. Also, purity tests of “follow every one of my beliefs or you’re evil” are dumb and unhelpful when you’re discussing where people are on the left.
Oh, and I think tankies are morons.
Tankies are the bane of my existence, so I agree
I’m right wing, or at least compared to most of lemmy.
I want everyone to bear arms. To that end, we should air drop liberator-style pistols all over the world. No, I’m not joking.
I think America should put America first.
I think Trek is cool, but its also fiction and not some sort of practical political ideal.
I think we need common sense immigration laws, which would mean going after coyotes and businesses that hire illegals and abuse visa workers. We’ll be fine if our population was stagnant for a bit.
I think (in regards to lgbt) that you can do whatever you want between consenting adults, but leave kids out of it. Lot of upset about elementary school libraries and drag in schools, especially for a group that has nothing to do with kids.
I think we need better mental health, but I have no idea how that would look practically.
The internet was an inevitable mistake.
Anime was an avoidable mistake. Darkness best waifu.
Leftism feels like a cult these days. I don’t know why or how to describe it, but it does.
I think large international corporations need to be heavily regulated. At a certain size, maybe even making them utilities. Small companies should have more leeway.
There are problems, but they can be solved without burning down the system.
So you are one of those types against drag story hour?
Also you want a stagnant population and prefer that over immigration?
CBO projects that the majority of population growth overthe next two decades is from immigration. It seems our friend here is in favor of a shrinking population
I am. Or at least slowing growth. I’d prefer stopping or shrinking, but I figure slowing is an easier sell.
Yeah that confused me, because a shrinking population is bad for the economy, no?
Yes, we cant grow forever. Better long term solution is for other countries to become livable.
But immigration is an excellent solution to declining birth rates, why be against that?
I don’t view declining birth rates as a problem.
It’s economic suicide but okay.
I don’t get how bible story times is any better that drag queen story times, if the interest of the children’s well being is real. I was raised in the christian church and feel very much like I was groomed and indoctrinated as I was brought up.
Drag queens just reading nice kids books to children is better than indoctrinating kids into Christianity, IMO
You’re full of shit, just based on prior comments.
Common sense immigration, leaving what’s done with consenting adults alone, these things do not track with what you’re usually saying around here. Just saying
If “leftism” (what the fuck does that even mean?) feels like a cult, you’re getting your information from places that are busy making mountains out of molehills because of the money they get by keeping you outraged so they can keep your attention. “Some random weirdos on Twitter posted some crazy shit” has nothing to do with actual policies being actually enacted.
That’s a lot of words to say you are an ignorant racist.
ML, death to amerikkka
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