I’m guessing it’s like Christianity where there are leftist Christians who follow Jesus’ more progressive messages such as giving to the less fortunate and healing the sick, and then there are the scary Christian evangelicals that want A Handmaids Tale and conversion therapy. Logically, Islam probably isn’t a monolith in a similar way other religions aren’t.

However, I have never heard about what those of the Islamic faith actually believe outside of the hysterical post 9/11 Islamophobia I’ve been indoctrinated with as a child.

I want to know what the truth is and hear the other sides story. To me it’s obvious that Islamophobia is wrong, however when Islamophobes make wild claims about it, I can’t really refute them confidently because I’m simply ignorant of the facts. Please educate my dumb, white ass.

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    If you’re too dumb to realize that I don’t know what to tell you.

    How about telling some of those aforementioned suffering people that ACKSHULLY their religion is the sole source of their suffering and how they’re “too dumb to realize it” smuglord and see how long you can stand there smirking at them before you got hurt.

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        Your words not mine

        Yes, so get some reading comprehension so you can contextually understand them.

        Marx himself said that a post-religious society was a good thing, many steps ahead.

        There is no step of being a smug condescending fedoralord while capitalism is still crushing people. Or, as another poster just put it here:

        “Hah, fine, I’ll read Marx”

        Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions.

        shoulder-grab and that’s why i left the Left"

        You may not be leaving the left, but if all you have to contribute is being a divisively condescendingly smug fedoralord, maybe you should because Reddit beckons you back.

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          Is religion a progressive force or not? I’m just here to point out it’s not. Dressing up my stance with your imagined motivations is a you problem. And I actually think that religion and capitalism are so tied up together at this point that a post capitalist world will have to come hand in hand with a post religious world.

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            AGAIN.

            READ. MARX.

            You are so fucking excited about the no religion part that happens after capitalism’s end that you are using it to such smug and divisive ends in the here and now that even here you’re just pissing people off and you somehow expect your fedorable messaging to win the working class over outside of here?

            Do you build a table by trying to have dinner on the unassembled nails and planks first?

            And I actually think that religion and capitalism are so tied up together at this point that a post capitalist world will have to come hand in hand with a post religious world.

            You’re clownishly ignorant if you don’t notice that Silicon Valley’s corporate sector is absolutely stuffed to the gills with New Atheists, right now.

            Could you at least try to be as cool as this cat if you’re going to be tipping that fedora of yours?

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              The new atheists are just a bunch of racists and that piece of shit Dawkins literally calls himself a cultural Christian.

              Also in case it isn’t clear the religion most tied in with capitalism is Christianity and the religion that has caused by far the most damage and will continue to do so in the future is Christianity.

              I think all this Islamophobic propaganda which is at its core an racist project and not an anti religion project has made people reluctant to see or unaware of the harm other religions cause.

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                You’re retreating to the old and tired “oh they don’t count as real atheists because that may make my position look as clownish as it is” position.

                Your circus act is old and tired. I’ve seen your smug tiresome act from plenty of other New Atheists many times before.

                I ask once again, exhaustively, for you to ONCE AGAIN actually READ MARX and actually try to understand what he said beyond what you got out of it, which is apparently “religion bad” and “being smug and condescending toward religious people will surely rally the working class in the present and near future!” over-your-head

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                  Dawkins is obviously an atheist but a racist and the religious umbrella of Christian fundamentalism is a comfortable habitat for him.

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                    is obviously an atheist but a racist

                    Are you that fucking dense that you think there’s some magical euphoric racism-free default state of atheism that Dawkins and millions of affluent tech capitalists and their minions are somehow banished from (and somehow cease to be atheists) the moment they become racist?

                    Do you seriously believe that racism comes specifically and exclusively from religious belief? clown