The arrogance of assuming that anyone who didn’t vote or who voted third party, just automatically owe your party their vote.
The entrenched two-party system has done more to cripple democracy in America than any other factor, and yet it’s so pervasive that y’all whip each other into line trying to shame anyone who tries to break free of it.
Arrogance is believing that for some reason despite everything that happened in the last year of her term in office that magically this person who had no concrete message or goals except the continuation of the genocide of people living in tents would be the savior somehow.
She’s just another corporate politician who takes orders from donors and she’s a COP at that - so keep constructing this fantastical image in your head that you think your choice was the answer. She wasn’t and will never be. That’s why we are stuck with Trump.
Her platform and being the worst candidate ever is the reason we got Trump, but for some reason you ignore this and blame voters.
The democrats played everyone and where are these staunch defenders of democracy now?
Patting themselves on the back for giving meaningless speeches while Trump disassembles democracy.
And these are the people you thought would save you?
I see on another one of your posts that you are angry 90 million people didn’t vote. What makes you think they would have voted for the fraud Kamala even though they could have and didn’t? What did she offer them? The answer is … NOTHING.
And now that Trump is torching the constitution where is Coconut Kamala?
Why giving speeches at Australian real estate events. Nothing says “I’m defending America” like giving Australian real estate speeches.
Your finger pointing is very devisive and exactly what I would expect out of a pampered liberal. Open your eyes and see the truth.
So, this conversation got me thinking. I’ve been wanting to get in better shape lately, but I’m wondering if doing things like… exercising, is really the right way to go about it.
It seems the best advice from all the people that clearly know how everything works, is to do absolutely nothing at all. Because historically, we all know that great change comes from inaction, right? So why not try it? Let’s see if sitting on my ass and watching other people exercise will help me become more fit.
The only way the dems could have won in 2024 is if they did what is popular with their base. This applies to literally every election. You should be furious that they lost to Donald fucking Trump twice because they thought they could win while enacting policies they knew would decrease turnout.
They have their own polling, they know there’s not a bunch of voters who just hate tiktok and will vote for tax credits to buy healthcare for first-generation college grads who run a small business in an under-served community for 3 years, but won’t vote for free healthcare.
No messaging could have made genocide in gaza popular, it’s not the people telling the democrats to stop giving Israel fucking bombs who made facilitating genocide unpopular. The only people who could have changed whether Palestine hurt the dems or helped them were the dems. They decided unlimited support for a genocidal settler colonial state was more important than winning.
Unpopular policy decreases turnout. That’s just how democracy works. The narrative of blaming the voters just serves to distract from the only people who could have changed the outcome of the last election and will be the only ones who can change the outcome of future lessons.
If Trump runs for a third term, and the democrats run on building the wall and defunding the government, the same fucking thing will happen.
.world definitely has a problem distinguishing between Tankies and leftists. I’ve literally had a guy argue with me that tankie and Bernie Bro were interchangeable because, “definitions change.”
Well I love Bernie. When he told me he wasn’t running in 2024, and he wanted me to support Kamala, I listened. And I’ve never been called a tankie. Maybe it comes down to individual differences.
I also voted for Kamala and I also haven’t been called a tankie (at least yet). But I’ve seen multiple liberals on .world call leftists tankies, often without understanding the meaning. At first, I found it very strange, since I’d only ever seen that term used in leftist circles. It made more sense when I realized they picked it up from .ml, which, to be fair, had a lot of fucking tankies.
I was once called a tankie just for critiquing the fact that Kamala didn’t clearify her positions on her campaign website, even though I voted for her anyway the fact that I didn’t show unquestioning loyalty to the party makes me a tankie… Wait a minute… Demanding unquestioning loyalty to the party… Where have I heard that before?
No, I run a left wing community thats explicitly left wing in nature. Liberalism is right wing, so naturally we arent supportive. Furthermore my community tends to lean more libertarian left (workers democracy) and anarchist so we arent a big fan of liberal electoralism.
Once again I still voted for Kamala, however that doesn’t disqualify me from critiquing underlying electoral systems. Fundamentally I belive Liberal Democracy is little more than democracy for the capitalist class.
Classic prisoner’s dilemma. If the ammorale westoid like yourself weren’t so prone to throw foreigners under the bus (aka collaborate or snitch), not voting becomes a viable strategy. But everybody have to play the game
But of course asking a coward to take a slight risk is way too much to ask
That’s because nobody is called “tankie” in real life. No one has called me a “tankie” either. The term’s contemporary usage is a creature of social media. It’s a dumb, cringey online meme.
Ask a dozen people what “tankie” means and you’ll get a dozen conflicting answers. It’s a floating signifier for dismissing those to one’s political left. It’s a thought-terminating cliché rhetorical device.
6 months in and Liberals are still trying to blame their election loss on the left.
Ninety million people didn’t vote. Three million voted third party.
What was the difference Trump won by again?
The arrogance of assuming that anyone who didn’t vote or who voted third party, just automatically owe your party their vote.
The entrenched two-party system has done more to cripple democracy in America than any other factor, and yet it’s so pervasive that y’all whip each other into line trying to shame anyone who tries to break free of it.
I guess we’re all better off now having learned a valuable lesson, aren’t we? So… How exactly would you like your ‘thank you’ presented?
Arrogance indeed.
Arrogance is believing that for some reason despite everything that happened in the last year of her term in office that magically this person who had no concrete message or goals except the continuation of the genocide of people living in tents would be the savior somehow.
She’s just another corporate politician who takes orders from donors and she’s a COP at that - so keep constructing this fantastical image in your head that you think your choice was the answer. She wasn’t and will never be. That’s why we are stuck with Trump.
DUH.
Again, you keep talking about how bad Kamala is, and side-step the disaster that we currently live under.
But whatever helps you cope, right?
Why are liberals so incredibly dense?
Her platform and being the worst candidate ever is the reason we got Trump, but for some reason you ignore this and blame voters.
The democrats played everyone and where are these staunch defenders of democracy now?
Patting themselves on the back for giving meaningless speeches while Trump disassembles democracy.
And these are the people you thought would save you?
I see on another one of your posts that you are angry 90 million people didn’t vote. What makes you think they would have voted for the fraud Kamala even though they could have and didn’t? What did she offer them? The answer is … NOTHING.
And now that Trump is torching the constitution where is Coconut Kamala?
Why giving speeches at Australian real estate events. Nothing says “I’m defending America” like giving Australian real estate speeches.
Your finger pointing is very devisive and exactly what I would expect out of a pampered liberal. Open your eyes and see the truth.
So, this conversation got me thinking. I’ve been wanting to get in better shape lately, but I’m wondering if doing things like… exercising, is really the right way to go about it.
It seems the best advice from all the people that clearly know how everything works, is to do absolutely nothing at all. Because historically, we all know that great change comes from inaction, right? So why not try it? Let’s see if sitting on my ass and watching other people exercise will help me become more fit.
Wish me luck!
Nice - you just perfectly described the value of a vote for Kamala.
It is the equivalent of sitting on your ass and hoping things get better because that’s exactlty what the democrats are doing right now.
Doing nothing at all would have been better than endorsing a system that force you to choose between two genocider you asshole
God i wish i could punch you bitch in the face. Ammorale heartless scum
The only way the dems could have won in 2024 is if they did what is popular with their base. This applies to literally every election. You should be furious that they lost to Donald fucking Trump twice because they thought they could win while enacting policies they knew would decrease turnout.
They have their own polling, they know there’s not a bunch of voters who just hate tiktok and will vote for tax credits to buy healthcare for first-generation college grads who run a small business in an under-served community for 3 years, but won’t vote for free healthcare.
No messaging could have made genocide in gaza popular, it’s not the people telling the democrats to stop giving Israel fucking bombs who made facilitating genocide unpopular. The only people who could have changed whether Palestine hurt the dems or helped them were the dems. They decided unlimited support for a genocidal settler colonial state was more important than winning.
Well it’s a good thing we dodged that bullet, isn’t it?
And yeah, I’m furious that ninety three million people were told what was going to happen and chose to not vote anyway.
Unpopular policy decreases turnout. That’s just how democracy works. The narrative of blaming the voters just serves to distract from the only people who could have changed the outcome of the last election and will be the only ones who can change the outcome of future lessons.
If Trump runs for a third term, and the democrats run on building the wall and defunding the government, the same fucking thing will happen.
When You’re on your deathbed, remember you’ve been a coward who compromised with the lesser evil.
The evil was only lesser to you. Not to brown people getting bombed. Coward
Ja, this meme is tripe. Tankies are the Lemmy bogeyman, used the same as ‘woke’ by the right.
What are you talking about? It only mentions democrats, republicans, and tankies.
Tankie is what centrist liberals call everyone to the left of them
I’ve never been called a tankie, and neither have any of my friends or girlfriends. And we’re all communists.
Maybe you’re being called a tankie because you’re a radical centrist.
I don’t think you know what communism actually is.
You too, hun.
Isnt radical centrist an oxymoron?
Yeah, supporting workers and dictators at the same time is pretty oxymoronic. But it’s perfectly balanced, as all things should be
.world definitely has a problem distinguishing between Tankies and leftists. I’ve literally had a guy argue with me that tankie and Bernie Bro were interchangeable because, “definitions change.”
Well I love Bernie. When he told me he wasn’t running in 2024, and he wanted me to support Kamala, I listened. And I’ve never been called a tankie. Maybe it comes down to individual differences.
Biden and Harris sent litteral tanks to genocide arabs in gaza
You’re a tankie, you voted for someone who sent tanks to a genocidal regime, that makes you a tankie.
Now you can’t say you’ve never been called a tankie.
I’ve only ever been called a tankie by a tankie who was making some kind of point
But you have been called a tankie
Which is pretty suspicious honestly
You voted for the VP of a genocidal administration. You’re a piece of shit
I also voted for Kamala and I also haven’t been called a tankie (at least yet). But I’ve seen multiple liberals on .world call leftists tankies, often without understanding the meaning. At first, I found it very strange, since I’d only ever seen that term used in leftist circles. It made more sense when I realized they picked it up from .ml, which, to be fair, had a lot of fucking tankies.
Ohhh, so it’s the tankies who are responsible for this. That makes sense.
That reminds me of how Israel tells everyone that killing people is part of the Jewish identity, and then complains when people believe them
I’ve got bad news for you…
I was once called a tankie just for critiquing the fact that Kamala didn’t clearify her positions on her campaign website, even though I voted for her anyway the fact that I didn’t show unquestioning loyalty to the party makes me a tankie… Wait a minute… Demanding unquestioning loyalty to the party… Where have I heard that before?
Meanwhile kamala was sending litteral tanks to israel lmao
Yeah but caring about that apparently makes me a “single issue voter” and a “tankie”, liberals are absolute jokes
Don’t you, like, run a hate community targeted at her?
No, I run a left wing community thats explicitly left wing in nature. Liberalism is right wing, so naturally we arent supportive. Furthermore my community tends to lean more libertarian left (workers democracy) and anarchist so we arent a big fan of liberal electoralism.
Refusing to vote is how you end up with the worst arrogant politicians who dont care at all about their constituents.
Once again I still voted for Kamala, however that doesn’t disqualify me from critiquing underlying electoral systems. Fundamentally I belive Liberal Democracy is little more than democracy for the capitalist class.
Classic prisoner’s dilemma. If the ammorale westoid like yourself weren’t so prone to throw foreigners under the bus (aka collaborate or snitch), not voting becomes a viable strategy. But everybody have to play the game
But of course asking a coward to take a slight risk is way too much to ask
Wow, I wish I didn’t care who the president was. I wanna stop fearing for my girlfriends’ lives.
Yeah, fearing for the life of loved ones should only be for Palestinians, right?
That’s because nobody is called “tankie” in real life. No one has called me a “tankie” either. The term’s contemporary usage is a creature of social media. It’s a dumb, cringey online meme.
Hmmmmmmmmmm… nah. It’s from the 1950s. They didn’t have 9gag back then
Again:
But also: JFK Files Reveal CIA Role in the 1956 Hungarian Uprising | The tankies were right
So you’re a tankie in real life?
Have you stopped beating your wife?
Ask a dozen people what “tankie” means and you’ll get a dozen conflicting answers. It’s a floating signifier for dismissing those to one’s political left. It’s a thought-terminating cliché rhetorical device.
Tankies dont say slava ukranini!
I never even heard the word tankie outside of reddit / Lemmy lmao
No, that’s what I call people who claim to be left but then make excuses for Russia, China.
What do you call people who claim to be to the left but make excuses for Canada and the genocidal Democratic Party?
China is the lesser evil.
Work both ways