Alternatively, the government must provide the name of the person or people who chose not to halt Alien Enemies Act deportations out of the U.S. despite his order — and Boasberg said he would refer them for prosecution.
Betting pool is open! Who do we think Drump and Co are going to throw under the bus this time?
My money is on martial law, and the summary removal or execution of Boasberg.
Wish I was being sarcastic, but the odds of martial law or war being declared on Hitler’s birthday - the 20th, are far too likely for my taste. It would be within Trump’s character to simply murder his foes, regardless of their place in society.
A serious judge would have ensured a multiple time convicted felon was not permitted to become a dictator in the formerly most powerful country in the world.
It no longer surprises me that murica is in the state it is in. It did at first, I admit. Perhaps it’s my age. Or my general belief that people are good and care at least some, for their fellow man. Especially their own families, neighbors and friends regardless of their background.
But that assumption is continually proven wrong lately. People willfully blind themselves to the obvious. They refuse to admit when everything has broken around them. They live in this weird place of denial grasping at things that are no longer effective or even present.
Many of us are well aware that the system has been broken for years and that this was a likely result, but the system also made it very difficult to stop. (The mathematically determined 2 party stem we get with first past the post voting for instance).
Once democrats blew it by giving up local power, they and the country, were done.
Expecting change without forcing it and ensuring it happens. Sitting back and blaming the politicians. You are the citizens who put them in power and you are the citizens who can remove them from that power. No one else. You. Your countrymen. Your families and friends. You.
That’s not entirely accurate. His immunity for “official acts of the office of the President” is to be determined by the presiding judge. An “official act” has yet to be defined, and there is nothing written about charges. He can and should be charged as well, so we can begin to define the limits of his immunity. Refusing to challenge it in fear that it will be overturned, is exactly what he’s hoping for.
The bigger deal is that this immunity protection does not extend to the President’s minions and officials.
Trump is never going to round up the prisoners and fly the plane to El Salvador all by himself. He’s got people to do that, and those people can be served with court orders and criminal contempt process.
The bigger deal is that this immunity protection does not extend to the President’s minions and officials.
Not directly, but any employee or agent has no liability if they are following legal orders of their employer.
So no - they cannot be prosecuted either.
State employees aren’t specifically beholden to the agency who hires and fires them.
The state has an executive, legislative and judicial branch.
If they follow an executive order but contravene a law, or contravene a court order that they know about (since only the courts make final interpretations of law) - my understanding is that they have no immunity.
It’s meant to deter the “only following orders” Nazi defense.
In theory there should be checks and balances which prevent anything absurdly fascist, it’s expected that it would be halted before it happens, but I suspect those who wrote this into the Constitution didn’t count on the level of fascism we’re seeing now.
The legislative branch has been confirming all of the appointments.
The legislative branch could try impeaching him (again) but we both know that’s not going to happen. Best case scenario is yet another vote down party lines. The magats are complicit. The corporatists are complicit. There are scant few voices that speak up for anything that doesn’t benefit themselves.
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Betting pool is open! Who do we think Drump and Co are going to throw under the bus this time?
My money is on martial law, and the summary removal or execution of Boasberg.
Wish I was being sarcastic, but the odds of martial law or war being declared on Hitler’s birthday - the 20th, are far too likely for my taste. It would be within Trump’s character to simply murder his foes, regardless of their place in society.
Wait, Hitler was born on weed day? How much better would the world have been if he had gotten into weed instead of coke and amphetamines?
Probably would have become a Bob Ross type of artist, rather than a avatar of hatred.
Now I’m wondering if any of those betting sites have anything going on for these scenarios lmao
No one. No need. Just ignore the court like he always has. Fucking joke.
And the court will keep wagging fingers.
A serious judge would deputize a citizen militia to arrest him.
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
A serious judge would have ensured a multiple time convicted felon was not permitted to become a dictator in the formerly most powerful country in the world.
Lol that is not within the control of a random individual judge.
It no longer surprises me that murica is in the state it is in. It did at first, I admit. Perhaps it’s my age. Or my general belief that people are good and care at least some, for their fellow man. Especially their own families, neighbors and friends regardless of their background.
But that assumption is continually proven wrong lately. People willfully blind themselves to the obvious. They refuse to admit when everything has broken around them. They live in this weird place of denial grasping at things that are no longer effective or even present.
Many of us are well aware that the system has been broken for years and that this was a likely result, but the system also made it very difficult to stop. (The mathematically determined 2 party stem we get with first past the post voting for instance).
Once democrats blew it by giving up local power, they and the country, were done.
Expecting change without forcing it and ensuring it happens. Sitting back and blaming the politicians. You are the citizens who put them in power and you are the citizens who can remove them from that power. No one else. You. Your countrymen. Your families and friends. You.
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Can’t they just claim it’s an “official act?”
That only applies to the President… but, whoever takes the fall can immediately get a pardon.
State kidnapping charges would quickly follow.
That ONLY protects the president, and only from crimes he commits as official acts.
Now, we all know the mental gymnastics the GOP can do are impressive, but ignoring a court order is not an official act.
The deportation itself? That’s the act that he’s immune from.
That’s not entirely accurate. His immunity for “official acts of the office of the President” is to be determined by the presiding judge. An “official act” has yet to be defined, and there is nothing written about charges. He can and should be charged as well, so we can begin to define the limits of his immunity. Refusing to challenge it in fear that it will be overturned, is exactly what he’s hoping for.
The bigger deal is that this immunity protection does not extend to the President’s minions and officials.
Trump is never going to round up the prisoners and fly the plane to El Salvador all by himself. He’s got people to do that, and those people can be served with court orders and criminal contempt process.
Not directly, but any employee or agent has no liability if they are following legal orders of their employer. So no - they cannot be prosecuted either.
That’s not what the Nuremberg trials found
State employees aren’t specifically beholden to the agency who hires and fires them.
The state has an executive, legislative and judicial branch.
If they follow an executive order but contravene a law, or contravene a court order that they know about (since only the courts make final interpretations of law) - my understanding is that they have no immunity.
The immunity ruling also retained determination of an act to be official up to the courts.
And then if Trump just pardons them?
Correct. And then Trump just pardons them.
It’s meant to deter the “only following orders” Nazi defense.
In theory there should be checks and balances which prevent anything absurdly fascist, it’s expected that it would be halted before it happens, but I suspect those who wrote this into the Constitution didn’t count on the level of fascism we’re seeing now.
We’ll see how it works out.
What do you think the Judiciary Branch is doing?
Aiding and abetting?
By holding them accountable in court?
With zero repercussions for ignoring the courts.
It sucks to watch that.
The legislative branch isn’t the courts.
The legislative branch has been confirming all of the appointments.
The legislative branch could try impeaching him (again) but we both know that’s not going to happen. Best case scenario is yet another vote down party lines. The magats are complicit. The corporatists are complicit. There are scant few voices that speak up for anything that doesn’t benefit themselves.
The majority are letting all of this happen.
I would have thought that paying hush money to a hooker wouldn’t be an official act, but whatever.
Trump was convicted of that but the judge ruled there should be no penalty.
“He’s got so much potential”
If the president never orders them to do anything as policy then they can’t really be held accountable can they?
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No one. He will just start dealing out pardons like it’s a poker game. The US Justice System is dead.