Which is why I don’t order on these things. I hope they’re happy with $0 tip and $0 order because it’s not worth the hassle, the cold food, the wait, and the whining
Cooks don’t care if FOH gets tipped. They typically get paid decently, and I’ve never worked a place that included BOH on tip pools or even tip outs, with the exception of bussers and runners at a couple places.
They aren’t risking their jobs and possible legal problems for something that doesn’t matter to them.
Why would you tip for a coffee? You make me stand in line to order, stand against the wall to wait for my drink, and you want me to give you more than the $5 you’re already charging for a latte? It’s insane.
Don’t worry though, I don’t stiff the baristas. I make better lattes at home.
“stiffing people” is language that implies they are entitled to the tip, which they are not as it’s a tip. Expecting a tip is falling victim to the propaganda that enables employers to maintain low wages. By continuing to tip because “that’s what people do” you’re only further cementing this culture.
If more people refrained from tipping or tipping excessively when not appropriate, then employers would have to increase wages. That’s how to solve the problem.
When I tip, I tip 20%, but I’m not going to begin tipping at a grocery store or getting a coffee unless it’s a small, local establishment.
But most people don’t so your individual effort without any effort to bring more people on board is you pretending that you’re somehow hurting employers, which you aren’t.
I’m in the US and I don’t tip a bartender for popping a bottle cap. If I’m sitting at the bar and they are making conversation and I’m getting mixed drinks then sure I will tip. But in no way is that similar to a Starbucks experience. Coffee shops operate no different than McDonald’s, do you tip at McDonald’s? No, so why would I tip at a Coffee shop?
Tipping culture is flawed to begin with. I already said I tip at bars if exceptional service is provided, but popping a bottle cap and handing me a beer is not tip worthy. You are not entitled to a tip just because you chose to work at a bar. And using your own logic a coffee shop is considered fast food, so your entire argument just went out the window.
Sure, if I am staying in the establishment for a bit, they’re serving me repeatedly by themselves in glassware, offering samples of drinks I haven’t tried, making suggestions, etc. I’ll typically tip $1–2 per drink for that.
If a barista served me over a couple hours with nice mugs by themselves, I’d probably tip as well. But if I’m waiting in line, then give an order to one person, and have my name called out later by a different person who serves me a drink in a disposable cup, that’s not like bartending. That’s the model of Chipotle and Subway, and nobody tips at Chipotle or Subway.
Absolutely. If I happen to order a beer at the fair I’m going to tomorrow, I’m not going to tip because that’s beer to go. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone tip in that circumstance.
That’s not a bartender/bar scenario, we are way afield of that. If you step into a bar and order a drink, do you ever not tip (aside from the obvious such as really really rude/nasty service)?
Yes, that is a bartender operating out of a portable bar, complete with bar signage. Their point of sale being outdoors rather than in a building does not magically change that.
If I were in an indoor bar that operated like Starbucks, I would not tip. Most do not operate that way, though. The indoor bars I have gone to all operated like traditional bars, so I’ve tipped there.
don’t forget the whole tipping before you even get what you ordered thing. all you did was take my order.
Not getting a tip.
Not getting your order then…
Which is why I don’t order on these things. I hope they’re happy with $0 tip and $0 order because it’s not worth the hassle, the cold food, the wait, and the whining
Just thinking about all the times you’ve ate line cooks spit lmao
Cooks don’t care if FOH gets tipped. They typically get paid decently, and I’ve never worked a place that included BOH on tip pools or even tip outs, with the exception of bussers and runners at a couple places.
They aren’t risking their jobs and possible legal problems for something that doesn’t matter to them.
I’ve been a line cook, sous chef, and now chef for 15 years. I can tell you with absolute certainty you’re wrong.
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Why would you tip for a coffee? You make me stand in line to order, stand against the wall to wait for my drink, and you want me to give you more than the $5 you’re already charging for a latte? It’s insane.
Don’t worry though, I don’t stiff the baristas. I make better lattes at home.
Some of us live in countries with a living minimum wage. But this tipping bullshit washes up on our shores anyway.
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it is objectively more messed up that employers aren’t paying enough that wages need to be subsidized with tips
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“stiffing people” is language that implies they are entitled to the tip, which they are not as it’s a tip. Expecting a tip is falling victim to the propaganda that enables employers to maintain low wages. By continuing to tip because “that’s what people do” you’re only further cementing this culture.
If more people refrained from tipping or tipping excessively when not appropriate, then employers would have to increase wages. That’s how to solve the problem.
When I tip, I tip 20%, but I’m not going to begin tipping at a grocery store or getting a coffee unless it’s a small, local establishment.
But most people don’t so your individual effort without any effort to bring more people on board is you pretending that you’re somehow hurting employers, which you aren’t.
Nope. Price on the menu is the price I pay for a coffee. If you want more money, charge more money for the product.
Why would you tip for coffee? It’s fast food.
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No I don’t, why the fuck would I tip someone for handing me a beer?
I think that was exactly their point.
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I’m in the US and I don’t tip a bartender for popping a bottle cap. If I’m sitting at the bar and they are making conversation and I’m getting mixed drinks then sure I will tip. But in no way is that similar to a Starbucks experience. Coffee shops operate no different than McDonald’s, do you tip at McDonald’s? No, so why would I tip at a Coffee shop?
Is there a tipping culture surrounding fast food?
Is there a tipping culture surrounding bars?
There’s your answer.
Tipping culture is flawed to begin with. I already said I tip at bars if exceptional service is provided, but popping a bottle cap and handing me a beer is not tip worthy. You are not entitled to a tip just because you chose to work at a bar. And using your own logic a coffee shop is considered fast food, so your entire argument just went out the window.
At this point, almost everywhere I order from has a tip line.
They’ll just ignore you the next time if you tip like shit
Or in their case, not at all.
Sure, if I am staying in the establishment for a bit, they’re serving me repeatedly by themselves in glassware, offering samples of drinks I haven’t tried, making suggestions, etc. I’ll typically tip $1–2 per drink for that.
If a barista served me over a couple hours with nice mugs by themselves, I’d probably tip as well. But if I’m waiting in line, then give an order to one person, and have my name called out later by a different person who serves me a drink in a disposable cup, that’s not like bartending. That’s the model of Chipotle and Subway, and nobody tips at Chipotle or Subway.
That’s a lot of caveats. So you’re saying there are situations where you’ll walk into a bar, buy a beer, and not tip?
Absolutely. If I happen to order a beer at the fair I’m going to tomorrow, I’m not going to tip because that’s beer to go. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone tip in that circumstance.
That’s not a bartender/bar scenario, we are way afield of that. If you step into a bar and order a drink, do you ever not tip (aside from the obvious such as really really rude/nasty service)?
Yes, that is a bartender operating out of a portable bar, complete with bar signage. Their point of sale being outdoors rather than in a building does not magically change that.
If I were in an indoor bar that operated like Starbucks, I would not tip. Most do not operate that way, though. The indoor bars I have gone to all operated like traditional bars, so I’ve tipped there.